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White Supremacists React With Glee to Texas Prosecutor Murders

By Bill Morlin on April 3, 2013 - 3:21 pm, Posted in Extremist Propaganda

The assassination-style killings of two prosecutors in Texas are precipitating the postings of vile, anti-Semitic, almost-gleeful public comments by assorted racists and white supremacists.

Investigators aren’t publicly commenting on who they think was responsible for last weekend’s murder of Kaufman County District Attorney Mike McLelland and his wife, Cynthia, who were both shot repeatedly in their home, or the Jan. 31 shooting of McLelland’s assistant, prosecutor Mark Hasse, as he walked to work.  More than one gunman was believed involved in both killings, authorities say.

The two county prosecutors were involved in bringing criminal cases against members of the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas (ABT) and assisting federal prosecutors who brought a massive indictment last November against 34 key members of the white supremacist prison gang. The indictment accuses the ABT of carrying out murders, attempted murders, conspiracies, arsons, assaults, robberies and drug trafficking as part of an enterprise that goes back to at least 1993.

Before he was murdered, McLelland speculated in an interview with The Associated Press that white supremacists could have been responsible for Hasse’s killing. “We put some real dents in the Aryan Brotherhood around here in the past year,” McLelland told the AP, CNN reported today.

While no white supremacist gang or organization has claimed credit for the killings, there is a lot of laughing and backslapping going on in racist circles over what most people consider shocking and chilling crimes.

On Stormfront, the nation’s largest racist, neo-Nazi internet forum, a poster named “Magog” found comfort in the idea that white supremacists might be responsible.  “If so, I really like their style,” he wrote. “Covert in the shadows make sure no one sees a thing…”

Elsewhere on Stormfront and another racist site, Vanguard News Network (VNN), racists’ comments suggested Hasse “looked like a Jew.” After his killing, a poster identified only as “John from Canada” wrote: “I don’t even care so much about the dead man’s ethnicity. I would like to think that WN (white nationalists) were responsible and we’ll see more of this.”

“I believe that White traitors are a bigger enemy than the Jew,” the poster wrote.   “The Jew is just a parasite doing what nature designed him to do. The traitor is an opportunist of the lowest order, betraying his own blood for personal gain.”

After McLelland and his wife were gunned down Saturday evening in their Kaufmann County home, another VNN poster wrote: “Ten little prosecutors sitting down to dine, one opened the front door, and then there were nine!”

Other comments included antigovernment sentiments or used slurs to blame Mexican drug cartels.

“He was a prosecutor for the government,” a VNN poster said of Hasse. “In the 300-400 cases per year that he handled, I am more than confident he earned being shot down like a dog in a parking lot.”

In an earlier VNN forum discussion, a poster using the name “Brutus” suggested Hasse deserved to be killed because police and prosecutors are controlled by Jews.

“There are certain ‘gate keeper’ government jobs where the jew appoints only the loyalest (sic) of minions,” the poster wrote. “Prosecutors and police chiefs are two of these important ‘herd control’ positions. They have tacitly understood orders from the jew to seek out and destroy any White resistance.”

Other posters noted that a white supremacist, Evan Spencer Ebel, a 28-year-old Denver parolee, has been linked to the killing of Colorado prison chief Tom Clement, shot when he answered the door at his Monument, Colo., home on March 19.

Two days after the shooting in Colorado, Ebel died in a shootout with sheriff’s deputies following a high-speed chase in north Texas. That occurred about 100 miles from Kaufman County, and authorities still haven’t said why Ebel was in Texas or if he had accomplices.

A Stormfront poster, “StatesRightsLover,” noted Ebel’s connection to the white supremacy movement and said: “I’m shedding no tears. No such thing as a good government official.”

Other posters directed their Internet venom at Mexicans and Jews.

A poster identified as  “14words_of_truth,” wrote on Stormfront on Tuesday: “Mexican criminal alien invaders are in the Federal Union because of Federal Judges; it would be a real shame if those same Mexican criminals began assassinating those same Federal Judges.”

In the same Stormfront thread, poster “hang_them_high” wrote: “If your [sic] so bad ass go take out the jews in your state. Get it done no reason to wait. I would think of buying land in any state that was jew free. Tar and feather and hang jew bankers for Jesus. Freedom!”

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  • Brock Henderson

    I never said that people-groups need to be represented in industries in exact proportion to their shares of the population, Ruslan. That would require endless and extremely oppressive egalitarian action by a country’s government.

  • concernedcitizen

    Having a country that consists solely of one race would be like having a zoo hundreds of thousands of miles long and wide that featured just one animal, pick any one animal and that’s all you see and experience.

    Intelligent minds love an eclectic melting pot of beautiful people from varying cultures, rich heritage, wonderful foods, fantastic venues of art that differ and make life exciting and wonderful.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    ” I said, or at least implied, that groups very disproportionately represented in certain industries ought to arouse at least a modicum of suspicion in their peers outside of said groups”

    Yes, which begs the question- why should groups of people be proportionately represented in various industries?

  • Erika

    if Ian is right and 9% of the world’s population is white, that 9% sure controls a whole lot of the world’s wealth now, doesn’t it?

  • Erika

    Sam, you are most likely right that the white nationalist state would be similar to Uganda in their anti-gay attitudes. i would also suspect that such a white nationalist state would be very similar to Uganda under Idi Amin where a paranoid madman takes control and runs the country into the ground based upon his personal obsessions.

  • concernedcitizen

    So what is the news on who is controlling the Federal Reserves? The history I read suggested it was the Rothchild’s and that is was a French family, but I can’t honestly say that I’ve kept up on real history regarding the federal reserve.

    But I can say I’ve never read anything to suggest that it was controlled by any Jewish Community.

    It’s amazing to me how people will take the word of uncle Jed, armchair historian who never even passed the first grade and has no idea of what real history or politics is…

  • concernedcitizen

    @Tom: it’s nice to read the postings of sound minds and logic. I agree that we as a country need to learn to solve problems together as a whole.

    And you are correct we can be discriminating about who we choose to hang out with and who we choose to marry, etc. But people who self appoint themselves with powers they are not legally vested with do not have the right to push their beliefs on others in ways that violate their civil liberties.

    It’s sad that when a group of very stupid people get together they have a tendency to believe that all of America sees and believes the way they do and believe that they will have the following of popularity on their side, when in fact they are sadly mistaken. And end up being the outcasts themselves.

    Therefore they must resort to violence, it is the only way to make themselves seen and heard much to the vast irritation of the rest of the American public.

  • Sam Molloy

    Ian sounds like a very rational and articulate person to me and I applaud the SPLC for allowing his posts. I agree that there is still a Communist agenda and I am against it. I don’t agree with his views on racial purity. It is the wrong way to try to evolve American society, which is supposed to be a tolerant melting pot of different cultures. If they ever start an All White country I might visit, but their view of Gay people would probably be just like Uganda’s.

  • concernedcitizen

    Ian what country? America belongs to all Americans not just some group of stupid people who happen to be white.

    There are plenty of intelligent White people who don’t associate with idiot bigots and this country belongs to them and all other Americans regardless of their ethnic backgrounds.

    Just because a group of clodpolls decide they want to gather and break federal laws does not make them the leaders of men or the conquerors of Mankind.

  • Brock Henderson

    “. . . groups of people in various industries should be represented according to their percentage of the population.”

    Show me where I said THAT, race-denier. I said, or at least implied, that groups very disproportionately represented in certain industries ought to arouse at least a modicum of suspicion in their peers outside of said groups. It’s natural and healthy for the latter, because it’s indicative of inquisitive and intellectually curious minds.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “When the number of Jewish people in an industry constitutes a share of that industry very disproportionate to their share of the population, that at least equals a great amount of heavy influence, if not control.”

    If you’re a moron with no critical thinking skills, sure, it does. In reality, there is no good reason why groups of people in various industries should be represented according to their percentage of the population.

  • http://Splc Tom Frazee

    Hello Ian, this planet is too small and we are too interrelated to exist, without working as a team; be it for controling polution, transporting food and, basically, every decisión that affects us all, individually or as a group. We can be descriminating, regarding who we want to associate, dance with, marry, but, for the sake of peace and smoothly running infrastructures, litigaring separatism, on the basis of I.Q., religión, race, sex, language, etc. are not practical and end up becomming tools for punishing eachother. I had to go to Texas and New York to get over some of my prejudices. We need to be working on solving Our problems, together.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “You have to see this objectivly. Those global bankers and head-honchos in Hollywood are ruining the moral fibre of our society and our economy.”

    No, that would be seeing it subjectively, and stupidly. Hollywood is a business, banking and finance are a business. They exist for no other reason but to make profit, or be crushed by the competition. This is capitalism.

    As for ruining the moral fibre, well, one needs to have something to compare it to if one wants to say it is worse. The truth is that even despite the economic crisis, violent crime in the US has been declining since the 1990s(go look it up). Teen pregnancy, in many places, is down. Many things that WNs are upset about are often exaggerated by a sensationalist media which often causes various moral panics.

    I would recommend finding two important books: 1. The Good Old Days – They were Terrible! by Otto Bettmann, and The Way we Never Were by Stephanie Coontz. Of course you’ll probably just reject both of them offhand by claiming the authors are Jewish.

    ” That is beyond a shadow of a doubt.”

    Actually I would say “without concrete evidence.”

    “Now, we know the Communists and Hollywood push for very similiar things.”

    LOL WUT

    Yes, ultra-rich movie producers would LOVE a system which would expropriate their massive wealth. And it’s not like Hollywood has ever put out any films with anti-Communist messages. Except maybe:

    Red Dawn
    Red Scorpion
    Rambo II
    Rambo III
    Most of the James Bond series
    Invasion USA(both versions)
    The Hunt for Red October

    There are literally too many examples to list here. I suggest a visit to IMDB.

    “The Communists under Stalin and the up-theres in Hollywood have this in common: They are/were primarily of Jewish descent.”

    Neither of those groups were primarily of Jewish descent. That would mean that most were of Jewish descent. Also this connection is utterly meaningless. You need to look up something called the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy so you will be aware of how stupid you look now.

    Jews were never anything but a small minority in the Bolshevik party and the Communist party of the USSR thereafter.

    “The communist mannifesto was written by Karl Marx – He was also Jewish.”

    Please explain how Karl Marx’s Jewishness led him to write the Communist Manifesto. I say that because Marx was asked to write up the Manifesto(in other words there was a chance he might never have written it at all) along with the very NON-Jewish Friedrich Engels. In fact Marx might not have amounted to anything at all without the financial backing and support of Engels. Engels was a very modest man who downplayed his support to Marx, often deliberately giving up credit for things he actually wrote or did. Yet somehow Engels doesn’t even register on your radar.

    Karl Marx had a partially Jewish background on his father’s side, but his theory was inspired by classical Greek philosophy, the philosophy of Hegel, Feurbach, etc. as well as the French Revolution.

    “To the casual observer it looks like a pattern, does it not?”

    Yeah, if by casual observer you mean “idiot with no critical thinking skills.”

    ” See, 60 million of our people in Eastern Europe were brutally murdered under Stalin so when we see Communist trappings, we get a little nervous, I’m sure you understand.”

    1. The people of Eastern Europe are not “your people.” They do not consider you to be their people, and objectively this is the case. In fact you’d probably stand out as a foreigner in most Eastern European countries even if you bought your clothes locally and copied the fashion. Walk around Eastern Europe talking about “your people” and how they’re all “white” and eventually you’re going to get your ass kicked, ironically by some nationalists most likely.

    2. There is no evidence for the number you just pulled out of your ass, and deaths inside the USSR would include plenty of people you wouldn’t call “your people.”

    3. If you’re looking for a guy who killed 60 million Europeans(primarily in Eastern Europe), you might want to check out this guy named Adolf Hitler. Turns out he didn’t believe in “white people” either. Say…What do they think about Hitler on Stormfront?(rhetorical question, I already know)

    “What does this mean for us? What does it mean for Jews? Well whether or not Jews or blacks or Martians control Hollywood and big banks, the fact of the matter is that we just want to live seperatly and peacefully in our own country where we make our own rules for our own people. We don’t want to kill anyone, we don’t want to fight. We just want to be left alone.”

    You do realize that a majority of bankers in the US have never been Jewish, right? Bertrand Russell checked up on that some time ago. Both banks and Hollywood studios are beholden to their investors.

    ” Just like it’s not true that our ideology is a hate ideology.”

    Ian, please flat out tell us how stupid you think we are. Please, tell us. Give it a number. I want to know. I’ve had plenty of contact with White Nationalists both on and off-line in my life. Don’t tell me this movement is anything but butthurt white guys whining because they think the world should revolve around them and pin a medal on their chest because they’re “white.”

    “My race is 9% of the world population and dropping and we just don’t want to vanish forever.”

    Actually it’s much smaller because your “race” doesn’t exist, just like any other race.

    Ian, you seem like the typical young, idealistic, WN pseudo-intellectual. You’ve read a few more books than your peers and the WNs you meet online pat you on the head for being able to string together coherent paragraphs, but when you take those canned arguments into the real world, against people who have spent half their lives studying the topics you talk about, or people who actually live in Europe, or both, they will fail every time, as they have here.

  • adamhill

    Ian,

    “You have to see this objectivly…The Communists under Stalin and the up-theres in Hollywood have this in common: They are/were primarily of Jewish descent. The communist mannifesto was written by Karl Marx – He was also Jewish. To the casual observer it looks like a pattern, does it not?”

    I think it’s you who could use some practice in thinking objectively. Perceiving a pattern in something doesn’t mean there actually is a pattern, and the existence of a pattern (if it turns out there actually is one) doesn’t mean it’s important. People’s perceptions are especially skewed toward believing in patterns that support their preconceived biases. Your way of thinking about Jews is pretty much the dictionary definition of subjective, not objective thinking.

    Jews do not “run” Hollywood or the banks. Even if statistically you were to objectively determine there are more people of Jewish descent in proprietary positions within these industries than in other industries, this would not come close to meaning that they are “running” them and it would not mean that it signified something sinister. The reasons that specific identifiable categories of people cluster around certain industries are many and complicated; ignoring all those reasons and instead selecting one that claims an entire group is stealthily co-opting pools of capital in support of a fiendish plan to rule the Earth is just magical, delusional thinking.

    It’s very likely that your contempt toward Jews (a far more amorphous category than you WNs acknowledge, encompassing religion, ethnicity, and culture) was the starting point of your thinking, and you started looking around for support for your prejudices. Same goes with other groups of people you don’t like and want to avoid “mixing” with.

    You don’t say why you think Hollywood is “ruining the moral fibre of the U.S.” (“beyond a shadow of a doubt!”), but I’d bet it has something to do with some group (homosexuals?) that you used your hatred of as a starting point, and then set to subjectively trying to support by cherry-picking reality for bits of information that made you feel good about your prejudices. “Hollywood made this Brokeback Mountain movie, trying to say that these homos are not sick perverts. Ah, and it also made this other movie that supports gays. I see a pattern! Hollywood must be pushing a gay agenda! And look at all these Jewish names in Hollywood! The Jews must be pushing a gay agenda! It all makes sense!”

    Selecting only the information that supports your prejudices and ignoring the rest is the shoddiest way of thinking.

  • Brock Henderson

    “Ian, we are not morons.”

    Yes you are, as you have proven abundantly.

    “Find a “Jewish” surname in a list of names, and suddenly whatever these individuals are involved is labeled “Jewish.” Jewish media, Jewish pornography, Jewish banking, Jewish business, Jewish Communism, etc., etc. Next, “Jews” do not control Hollywood and they certainly don’t control the Fed.”

    When the number of Jewish people in an industry constitutes a share of that industry very disproportionate to their share of the population, that at least equals a great amount of heavy influence, if not control.

  • Sam Molloy

    Aron, to buy a decent Tahoe I’ll have to trade in my Blazer. I painted it all Camo and now I can’t seem to find it.

  • Gregory

    Ian wants his “own” country and one day he may get his wish. If Hell actually exists, then I am certain a small corner of prime real estate will be reserved for Ian and his buddies. I could think of no worse punishment than spending eternity in the presence of this kind of concentrated stupidity, but Ian should feel right at home.

  • Reynolds

    @Ian

    Firstly, let me thank you for a civil post and for making points that you felt are important

    Secondly, as a pretty hardcore Leftist, let me personally apologize for responses that were considerably less useful than they were vitriolic from some of my co-inhabitants on the Left. You attempted to make a civil post, and regardless of what we personally may feel about your fellow extremists, we should respect your attempt and accept your word as to what YOU believe, as you have given no evidence that you are being deliberately misleading.

    Thirdly, the piece of what you said that I immediately honed in on was the comment on just wanting your own country/space/ a place of your own. I do not think that is unreasonable in the greater scheme of things. I understand why you feel as you do. If you will forgive a personal anecdote – a number of years ago, a friend came from the UAE to go to college in Boston. He is a very good boy. He is gay – and of course, could not be out in the UAE and might even be killed in certain countries that his mother regularly visited with him.

    We took him to P-town at end of season that year. As we crested the final line of dunes into the town, he could see the rainbow flags – and I guess I hadn’t explained it well enough to him. He saw the flags and said “Is this town gay?” And I said, well, mostly and certainly gay friendly. He started crying and kept repeating “I’m safe” in Persian (his mother was Persian originally).

    We talked a bit about it, as I was helping him to reach a feeling of safety. He said that he had used to think that a little gay country was the solution, but then he realized that if there was one, the straight people would come and kill people and take away all the nice things they had. Reluctantly I agreed that such a thing might happen. He said he wished that there was a little gay planet somewhere, where gay boys could go and live out their lives in peace.

    Ultimately, though you are using different words, that is what you say you are looking for, not a country, but a planet.

    You know, amazing alliances can sometimes exist. It would be an interesting thing to discuss sometime, don’t you think? Physics is making great leaps… Such a conversation might be worth having I would think.

    Respect without agreement,

    Reyn

    mercuryhermes_01 at yahoo dot com

  • Reynardine

    Ian, if you have to ask, you’re out of your depth already.

  • Aron

    Stalin was Jewish? That must have been news to him, as well as the Orthodox Church that nearly consecrated him as a priest.

    Other than that, I will leave you to Ruslan. He knows far more about the Soviet situation than you ever will.

  • http://www.stormfront.org Ian Vikingson

    To Reynardine: …What? 0_o

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    To adamhill:

    You have to see this objectivly. Those global bankers and head-honchos in Hollywood are ruining the moral fibre of our society and our economy. That is beyond a shadow of a doubt. Now, we know the Communists and Hollywood push for very similiar things. The Communists under Stalin and the up-theres in Hollywood have this in common: They are/were primarily of Jewish descent. The communist mannifesto was written by Karl Marx – He was also Jewish. To the casual observer it looks like a pattern, does it not? See, 60 million of our people in Eastern Europe were brutally murdered under Stalin so when we see Communist trappings, we get a little nervous, I’m sure you understand.

    What does this mean for us? What does it mean for Jews? Well whether or not Jews or blacks or Martians control Hollywood and big banks, the fact of the matter is that we just want to live seperatly and peacefully in our own country where we make our own rules for our own people. We don’t want to kill anyone, we don’t want to fight. We just want to be left alone.

    Now I won’t pretend that there aren’t extremists in my crowd but they are very few and we don’t look favorably upon them, believe me. It’s a lot like how some Muslims end up becoming terrorists. But no one says that Islam is a terrorist religion because that isn’t true. Just like it’s not true that our ideology is a hate ideology. There are some haters but that’s not what it’s about. We just don’t want to be shot for wanding into the “wrong neighborhood” or have a race-mixing agenda pushed on our children. We want to live OUR way. We want to see this goal by peacefull means where everybody benefits. The only thing we’re guilty of is loving our own people and thinking that every race deserves a place they can call their own.

    I can definitly understand where you are coming from and how it looks but I ask that you please also try to understand where we are coming from. My race is 9% of the world population and dropping and we just don’t want to vanish forever.

    Regards and all the best,

    -Ian

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “Most of you will probably think from my posts that I am a ravenous anti-Semite. But that simply isn’t true. When someone on SF says “Jew” or “Jews” we don’t mean literally every last single one. We don’t mean your average Jewish person who is just going about his business and not doing harm to anyone. We mean Jews who control Hollywood and banks and the Federal Reserve.”

    Ian, we are not morons. I’ve seen plenty of Stormfront and while I’m sure that there might be some individual Jews out there that WNs don’t hate, any time WNs complain about something it’s the fault of the Jews. Find a “Jewish” surname in a list of names, and suddenly whatever these individuals are involved is labeled “Jewish.” Jewish media, Jewish pornography, Jewish banking, Jewish business, Jewish Communism, etc., etc.

    Next, “Jews” do not control Hollywood and they certainly don’t control the Fed.

    ” Yes, we realize that there are many white people in on that game as well. Why the resentment? Look at our culture and our economy.”

    What, specifically? The fact is that Hollywood is a business; movie studios run on the same principles as other businesses.

    “Secondly, you have to understand the frustration that we face. All we ask is a country to call our own for just us (Much like you have Israel).”

    So you want a colonial, contrived country based on spurious claims of a national identity too? Is that it?

    ” We’re demonized constantly in the media,”

    If you mean Neo-Nazis, yes, and for good reasons.

    ” monitored for no reason and called terrorists by sites like this one”

    Monitored for no reason? Have you even bothered to look at the incidents of domestic terrorism involving people who were either affiliated with the WN movement or had similar ideas? That is why you are monitored.

    ” when in reality all we want is to live amongst our own people and make our own rules for ourselves and our posterity.”

    When you say your people, who do you mean. See, I’ve never had a DNA test, but I am indisputably “white” by modern American standards. Barring any detailed information a DNA test might provide, I am of European, gentile descent. The problem is, had I showed up on American shores in the 19th century, I would not be considered “white.” Perhaps you wouldn’t either.

    ” That should be the right of ALL people. Whether black, Jewish, Asian, white ect.”

    “White”, “Jewish”, “Asian”, and “black” are not “peoples” as in nations or cultures. For one thing Jewish culture(because Jewishness could be called a cultural group) spans all those arbitrary groups you mentioned.

    ” The fact of the matter is, sometimes people get angry and they don’t think before they post. That isn’t an excuse, of course.”

    Sometimes you guys get angry? The whole WN movement is nothing but anger. Do you really think we’ve never seen Stormfront? Do you think we can’t hop on over to SF and within 2 minutes find dozens of buttmad rants about the Jews, the blacks, the Mooslims, etc.?

    “I can tell you in plain terms though, we are not a threat to anyone. We are seperatists, just like Israeli Jews are seperatists. All we want is our own homeland and to me that seems like a fair thing to ask since our own countries no longer belong to us.”

    I think you’re operating on the rather misguided notion that we all support Israel here, ergo if you liken your “nation” to Israel, anyone here will be forced by the laws of formal logic to support you as well. Well I can’t speak for others but in the words of Arnold Swartzeneggar, “WRONG!”

    Second, your “own countries” never belonged to you, and there is no such thing as a “white country.” They are European countries. Learn the difference, it might save your life some day should you ever go to Europe.

    “You should really all visit Stormfront and see for yourselves that the majority of us don’t like violence.”

    Really bad idea if you don’t want people here to see what BS you wrote in this post.

    ” If we did, we would have done violent things already. ”

    Oh you mean like the Silent Brotherhood? Or the WAR skinheads? Or the guy who tried to bomb the MLK parade last year? Or dozens of other morons who were thankfully caught before they could actually kill someone?

    “It’s easy enough to quote-mine something to make a party look bad. Isn’t that what you say people do with the Talmud? Mine it for quotes that make you look bad?”

    The difference is that if you bother to actually read the Talmud and get an explanation, you see how innocuous most of the passages are(or they are understandable given that culture and time). If people actually go to Stormfront they’ll find much worse than what the SPLC put up here.

    ” Most of us don’t wish harm on anyone – I certainly don’t.”

    We’re not morons, Ian. Even with Stormfront’s heavy moderation, one need only attend any WN gathering to see how White Nationalists spend all their time talking about conspiracies, the “Day of the Rope”, and how such-and-such a TV commercial is a secret plot against white males.

    ” Consider though that if indeed we really were a threat, wouldn’t it make more sense that people seperate from us geographicly so that we couldn’t hurt anyone?”

    That’s what prison is for, buddy!

  • Erika

    Ian “Vikingson”, first i would like to congratulate you for winning the trophy for “most ludicrously fake and uncreative ‘Viking Warrior’ name.” If you want to pretent that you are a real Viking, you’d be better off calling yourself Adrian Peterson*

    Second, as someone who actually can trace her linage to actual Viking warriors, i ask you can you actually do the same thing? And do you realize that people who are actually descended from Vikings tend to be very liberal?

    Third, i found your statement about the Jewish people very cute – it reminded me of those old statements from the Strom Thurmonds of the world defending segregation. And of course, in the case of Strom Thurmond we know that he was telling the truth when he said that some of his best friends were black – after all, i’m sure that he was very friendly with the mother of his black daughter.

    In fact, your expression for love of the Jewish people rings as hollow as that of Jack T. Chick (love the Jewish people because if you don’t convince them to convert to my nutty brand of Christianity they will burn in Hell for all eternity). It makes you more of a Henry Ford type than an Adolf Hitler type. Really, you should have just said, that you aren’t opposed to Jews just the members of the Learned Elders of Zion who secretly control the world’s media and international banking system.

    * please note the following disclaimer: pretending to be Adrian Peterson on the internet is likely to bring you a world of legal hurt.

  • Tobias A. Weissman

    There is a saying that I myself invented after reading about all these hate groups. “Those who know everything, (Hate groups) know nothing. But those who know nothing, (The loving guys) know everything.” Just a little thinking, one can discern what this means. Most Americans have the intelligence to figure it out, THANK GOD.

  • Aron

    Sam, I’ll consider it.

    But you’d have to buy a Chevy Tahoe first.

  • adamhill

    Ian,

    Thank you for the civil post. Now, the questions:

    “When someone on SF says “Jew” or “Jews” we don’t mean literally every last single one. We don’t mean your average Jewish person who is just going about his business and not doing harm to anyone. We mean Jews who control Hollywood and banks and the Federal Reserve. Yes, we realize that there are many white people in on that game as well. Why the resentment? Look at our culture and our economy.”

    Sounds like the people that trouble you are not Jews at all but people who control Hollywood, banks and the Fed. So why even mention Jews? Especially if you’re not an anti-Semite?

    A casual scan of Stormfront pulled up, within a minute, words like “greedy,” “liar,” “parasite,” and “evil” to describe Jews, with no claims that “Jews” meant only “some Jews.” Is your contention really that these references only refer to some Jews, and that there are then other Jews who aren’t greedy lying parasites? And since there are plenty of dishonest whites, parasitic whites, and greedy whites, why would you then not refer to them collectively with the same types of insults (perhaps similarly maintaining that you’re “not talking about average white people just going about their business and not harming anyone”)?

    The way you’re describing your beliefs ensnares you in logical inconsistencies. Your whole framework for ascribing traits to a race or ethnicity collapses to ruin if you admit there are “average” representatives of that race or ethnicity that don’t have those traits. On the other hand, if you claim most or all the members of a race or ethnicity possess some negative trait (like dishonesty, greed, laziness, etc.), you still make yourself look irrational and foolish because such a claim is easily debunked by real-world evidence.

    In part, it’s this irrationality and its militant or outright violent manifestations that make people demonize you and regard you as potential terrorists.

  • Reynardine

    “Ian Vikingson”, if you think you’re so damn Nordic, why don’t you knock on the gates of Norway and ask them to let you in? Answer: Because they been there and done that, whether they wanted to or not, and they’re not fixing to host your kind again.

  • Missy

    Now, here’s yet another aspect of white supremacist ideology that I cannot get my head around.

    Many, perhaps most, white racists base some of their outlook on other races’ or ethnicities’ inability to obey the laws of the land.

    And yet…they are celebrating their own absolute disregard for those laws?

  • Steve

    How is the killings of these two individuals antisemetic just because the victims happen to be Jews. Maybe the killers did the killings baised on the racial bias of the prosecutors who were using their office to violate the rights of the (so-called) supremacists.

  • concernedcitizen

    We need to make movements like this illegal in this country.

    These people are out of hand and have no place in a civilized American Community.

  • Roger B.

    Witch Kult: You seem to be shouting pretty loudly yourself. Damn those three fingers that always seem to point back.

  • Michael Parker

    Our government allowed these White originations to thrive; to become the monsters, that they are, now can’t handle them.

  • Sam Molloy

    Aron, I may not have the ejukashun to be a Gatekeeper but since you all are running everything maybe I can ask to be a spy and report back from the Lizard People’s operations center/basement.

  • Matthew Bright

    With all the millions of Americans who have had their lives and families ruined, on the alter of the Drug War, the biggest pork project in the history of the world, I’m surprised there hasn’t been quite a few more of these incidents.

    I am not advocating violence or murder. I’m just saying, I’m surprised that there hasn’t been a personal price to pay for the people who operate and thrive on this terrible institutional injustice, which has taken countless lives and continues to do so, in the US and particularly now in Mexico, where 80,000 men, women and children have been killed, and twice that number made to disappear.

  • http://www.stormfront.org Ian Vikingson

    Hello all. Ian here – yes, the one from Stormfront. I’m not here to fight or argue or insult anyone.

    If you will all give me just a little bit of your time, I would just like to explain a few things to you.

    Most of you will probably think from my posts that I am a ravenous anti-Semite. But that simply isn’t true. When someone on SF says “Jew” or “Jews” we don’t mean literally every last single one. We don’t mean your average Jewish person who is just going about his business and not doing harm to anyone. We mean Jews who control Hollywood and banks and the Federal Reserve. Yes, we realize that there are many white people in on that game as well. Why the resentment? Look at our culture and our economy.

    Secondly, you have to understand the frustration that we face. All we ask is a country to call our own for just us (Much like you have Israel). We’re demonized constantly in the media, monitored for no reason and called terrorists by sites like this one when in reality all we want is to live amongst our own people and make our own rules for ourselves and our posterity. That should be the right of ALL people. Whether black, Jewish, Asian, white ect.

    Third, I actually agree with the overall jist of this article. It’s WRONG to celebrate death. The fact of the matter is, sometimes people get angry and they don’t think before they post. That isn’t an excuse, of course.

    I can tell you in plain terms though, we are not a threat to anyone. We are seperatists, just like Israeli Jews are seperatists. All we want is our own homeland and to me that seems like a fair thing to ask since our own countries no longer belong to us.

    You should really all visit Stormfront and see for yourselves that the majority of us don’t like violence. If we did, we would have done violent things already. It’s easy enough to quote-mine something to make a party look bad. Isn’t that what you say people do with the Talmud? Mine it for quotes that make you look bad?

    I hope that you understand better now. Most of us don’t wish harm on anyone – I certainly don’t. Consider though that if indeed we really were a threat, wouldn’t it make more sense that people seperate from us geographicly so that we couldn’t hurt anyone?

    Best wishes.

    Sincerely,

    -Ian

  • Erika

    the “vanguard of the white race” are some real despicable people.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “Elsewhere on Stormfront and another racist site, Vanguard News Network (VNN), racists’ comments suggested Hasse “looked like a Jew.”

    Of course. If you’re a WN and someone is doing something you don’t like, they “look like a Jew.” If someone is indisputably a “white” gentile and they are doing something you don’t like, they’re “acting Jewish.” No matter how much they’ll try to dress their ideology up in pseudo-intellectual terms(e.g. Kevin MacDonald), it all boils down to this childish nonsense.

  • http://www.jpost.com Donald E. Pauly

    I understand that the suspect is a disgruntled former employee. That would not make Morris Dee’s cash register ring however.

  • Aron

    Very funny, David. That got a chuckle out of me.

  • http://www.admit2nothing.tumblr.com Witch Kult

    It’s funny to see these doofuses talk as if they know something about the cases and then passing off these theories as if they were fact. The ones who shout the loudest are always the ones who know the least.

  • Reynardine

    What fucks! Excuse me, Hays Office!

  • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com David Cary Hart

    I am gay, Jewish and now thoroughly nauseated by the spectacular stupidity and ignorance of these people. Holder needs to step in with the full weight of the US government to eradicate this threat to national security.

    Oh well. I have marriage to wreck, Hollywood to run and foreclosures to finalize.

  • Aron

    Damn! Those geniuses sure have us Jews figured out.

    Maybe it’s time for folks like me and Mark Potok to skip town.

    Hahahahaha!!!