Preaching and showing tolerance to other’s views is what ultimately separates rational and irrational people. It seems many on here and much of the related readings prove this.

Yes, I’m ready for the mean, spiteful, and rude comments that will be coming my way because I pointed this truth out.

Let’s try a different approach, although the destination remains the same. It is my guess that Sam has never seen the text books that he believes to have been penned by Lenin and the boys. It is also my guess that when he finds the offending passages he will discover that they are benign and hardly worth the faux outrage generated by the right wing noise machine.

My message to Sam would be that it is possible to love one’s country and be proud to be a citizen even if you have a full knowledge of its history. I would even contend that this informed patriotism is as genuine as those who caterwaul God Bless the USA at NASCAR events. It is a bit like having an adult relationship with your parents. Unfortunately, many conservatives equate an honest discussion of American history to admitting mommy’s marital infidelities.

I won’t belabor the point, but if this is a teachable moment then you are the wise one.

You’ve yet to provide a citation other than vague reference to “newer” American history books. Now you have introduced the term Commie Bias.

Why not make this easy and tell us which John Birch Society tract you are repeating today.

” In these new books we will be portrayed as good, moral, and ethical. Our enemies will be portrayed as immoral, unethical, and evil. ”

So you KNOW what you’re doing is EVIL and IMMORAL. If it wasn’t you wouldn’t need to hire historians to lie for you.

Citation, please? Please direct us to the school texts that you believe to be so inflammatory.

Or, as I suspect, this is just another white wing myth that you’ve uncritically repeated.

Nevertheless, this is so hilariously funny, I am subjecting you to a new test of this statement. So here we go:

1. How can your movement “change the very definitions of logic?”
2. “Anything that supports the revolution is logical.” But does that mean that anything that supports the revolution is true?
3. Does that include statements in support of the revolution that are demonstrably and proven to be false?
4. “Anything opposed, by definition is illogical.” Does that include statements opposed to the revolution that are absolutely true?
5. How will you build a new society that is based on lies and deceit, and expect it to gain support?
6. How will your society, based on lies and deceit, deal with situations in which physical laws and harsh realities do not “support the revolution?”
7. How will you re-adjust facts in those situations to “support the revolution?”
8. “After the revolution we will hire thousands of new Historians to write new History books.” Where will you find these historians?
9. What will you do with the old historians?
10. What will you do with the old history books?
11. “In these new books we will be portrayed as good, moral, and ethical.” But will they be true?
12. How will you re-adjust documented facts and truth to be utter falsehoods to support these “new books?”
13. What will you do when these new books are shown to be lies and fiction?
14. “Our enemies will be portrayed as immoral, unethical, and evil.” What will you do about the fact that they are neither?
15. “One thousand years from now, white patriots will be portrayed as heroes. Our enemies, portrayed as devils.” And what will you do about the fact that your version is history is an utter lie?
16. “Thus, the problem will be fixed.” What, precisely, is the problem with the truth?
17. Are you thus admitting that your cause is entirely based on lies and deceits?
18. Are you admitting that you have absolutely no regard whatsoever for the truth, only for your hatred of blacks and Jews?
19. What role do you intend to have in the revolution?
20. What role do you intend to have in the new government?
21. Are you now admitting that this great cause is nothing more than a romantic attempt to gain personal power for the purposes of gaining personal revenge and vengeance against designated enemies?
22. Who will be on your “enemies list?”
23. Your statement is basically that of George Orwell’s novel “1984.” Have you read that book?
24. What do you think of it?
25. Do you realize that the book was a satire of Communism, and the philosophy of “Ingsoc” and a rewriteable history is a Communist idea?
26. Are you endorsing a Communist dictatorship?
27. The entire state of “1984” was based on a mass of lies. Is this how you propose to base your new state?
28. The inevitable end of all citizens of the state of “Oceania” in “1984” was that they would be charged with and admit to high treason against the state, usually under torture. Are you ready to face torture, give a full confession for crimes you have not committed, and be executed, at the hands of your fellow revolutionaries?
29. Persons who were charged, tortured, tried, and executed then became “unpersons,” ceasing to exist, even in the records of the Ministry of Truth. Are you prepared to become an “unperson?”
30. How do you feel about becoming an “unperson?”
31. Are you aware that you are, pretty much, to the society outside of a a few websites and the odd “American Renaissance” meeting, already an “unperson?”

You will be tested on this material. You are already in debt to the bursar and the provost for this test and the previous one. You are also in debt to your Maker for your wasted life of unparalleled stupidity, undeserved pomposity, and mindless evil.

on April 4th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

“They should look into the street activity of these groups. Hate groups go as far as to employ hourly workers to help with their acts of coercion and intimidation.
They do commit crimes by employing the services of others and conspiring to interfere and impede services being offered by business’s where minorities shop and spend time.
They use non verbal tactics to try and send messages to their victims. They are indeed committing crimes it’s just you need to know how to identify their crimes and clearly observe them.”

OK. Suuuurrre they are.
What you are describing is absolutely insane!
Who would employ people just to screw with you!!
Why would they do that?!!!
You should be Locked Up, or on MED-I-CA-TION!!!!
You need THERAPY because YOU ARE PAR-A-NOID!!!!!

“To the happy home: with trees and flowers and chirpingbirdsandbasketweaverswhositandtwiddletheirthumbs…”
Tom Lehrer.

Yeah. Sound familiar?

“If no crime has been committed, there is little that the (FBI, Police, DOJ, a Lawyer, etc..) can do about it.”… “Get a Lawyer.”… “Hire a Private Investigator.”… “You have no Proof.”… “Just block them.”… “Just tell them to leave you alone.”… “Get a Restraining Order.”… “Change your (residence, job, computer, phone number, screen name/E-mail address, businesses you use, doctor, “friends”, etc..).”… “Just ignore them.”… “Why Don’t You Just Leave?”

Sound familiar?
After every single one of these options has been tried, some repeatedly, where does that leave you?
Some of us can write tomes on the daily crap they feed you.
Smile, and eat our sh*t boy.

They (Law Enforcement, etc..) want Proof of CRIMINAL Activity: as evidenced by this article.
To prove that someone is/was trying to sell you an Automatic AK: they want to see it.
Of course, if you buy it and take it to them: they arrest you.
Same with drug dealers: buy it and take it to Law Enforcement, and they arrest you.
There are dozens of examples of that: where someone is tired of the dealers on the street where they live… buy some and take it to the police… and then has to spend tens of thousands of dollars on legal fees trying to clear their OWN name.
“Leave Law Enforcement up to Law Enforcement.”
An aside:
But what if the local Police are the ones that might be training the local militias at their “sniper school” in case of “civil unrest”: just as an example?
What if a local Deputy Sheriff is a sordid play toy for a local Klansman?

Of course programs like COPS, and TIPS can be used anonymously to have a “group” send in hundreds of false “reports” about someone they want harassed: that might even get you targeted by Homeland Security or some such who will then tap your phone… a number on my caller ID in 2006/7 from (202) 000-0000 at three thirty in the morning… which rang one and a half times… and called the next day as an exercise and found that it didn’t exist….
Caller ID spoofing and blocking, and proxy servers cover all kinds of mayhem even one or two of them can inflict in ONE afternoon on one person if they want to.

You know what’s fun?
An Exercise: Get an Employment application from a business you believe are hiring people like this to screw with you.
Read the fine print.
If you see statements to the effect that employees can be summarily fired for no reason, have no recourse once they sign the application for anything that any other (employee, HR, Corporate individual, “reference”, etc..) in that business does or says to you or about you, or the “results” of their “background investigations” or “drug tests” need not be submitted to you for/as a reason for dismissal or refusal to hire once you sign the “pre-employment application” … Something does emit a foul odor in a small Western European country.

It seems to me that any statement on an application that says: “I hereby give my consent for XXXXX, through an authorized testing service of its choice and expense, to collect blood, hair, urine, or saliva samples from me and to conduct any other necessary medical tests to determine the presence of alcohol, drugs, or controlled substances. I hereby release XXXXX (and any testing agency retained by XXXXX) from liability arising out of such test or its results. Further, I give my consent for the release of the test results and other relevant medical information to authorized XXXXX management for appropriate review.”
And:
“Should I receive a conditional offer of employment, I agree to submit to any physical and/or psychological medical examination, at the request and expense of XXXXX, as permitted by law. I further authorize any physician or entity such medical examination to release the results of such examination to XXXXX.”

The one that I like best?
“I authorize all such references and sources (and the company) to release this information without liability for damage from such release. I waive any written notice of the release of such records that may be required by state or federal laws.”

This was all copied, verbatim (including punctuation errors), from a local chain convenience store/gas station.

Now let’s say that you know there are people (some even employed by that company, or are longtime friends with their HR department head, or, say, the Business Agent in a Union, or even the owner of the business) that want to screw with you.
What if they were at this long, long before you were even aware of it?
Did they “commit a crime” by telling absolute filth and lies about someone else in a conversation with that person (Corporate HR, B.A., owner, other employees, etc..)?
Can you PROVE IT?

“Stand strong blackskin and take your blow.”
Steel Pulse

And Statutes of Limitations are their end all be all: they can just ignore you or your complaints for 180 days and you’re screwed… and they can blacklist you (Remember? YOU signed a release waiver even before you were hired) to any other business they want to: especially in a small town where all of their corporate employees, Business Agents or HR personnel, Management or Supervisors went to the same “No Ni**ers Above The Bridge!” High School or belong to the same Union or business consortium… or have used the same dealers and belong to the same groups/clubs.

And they now OWN those employees who cannot say: “I know that guy. What (so and so) said was a lie and absolutely false, and (that patron/employee) shouldn’t be treated that way!”
Their answer: “You’re fired!”
Reason: Doesn’t work well with others.
Wavier against non disclosure of “reason for termination”: signed.

“A good lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets it’s pants on.”
S. Clemens.

“If no crime has been committed………………..”
Just look at what a State like Michigan was trying to do with the Matthew Shepard/James Byrd Act, and “Bullying” (I do have a problem with this schoolyard term. Call it what it is: Stalking.) legislation, to paraphrase: Not applicable if a defendant is morally convinced that abuse, stalking, and terrorism is ordered by a Higher Authority like God.

on April 4th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

“They should look into the street activity of these groups. Hate groups go as far as to employ hourly workers to help with their acts of coercion and intimidation.
They do commit crimes by employing the services of others and conspiring to interfere and impede services being offered by business’s where minorities shop and spend time.
They use non verbal tactics to try and send messages to their victims. They are indeed committing crimes it’s just you need to know how to identify their crimes and clearly observe them.
Most appear to be despicable human beings who don’t have great lives outside of their hate group activities.
All and all most of what I’ve seen have been a large group of losers that mostly look to be related and that is a very scary thing.”

If you want discourse about Vigilante Terrorism/Stalking and Community Stalking/Mobbing by organized groups there are hundreds of pages and groups out there in the ether/internet to play with, although most of them blame “seecrut gubbermunt orgunnazayshuns”, and some bizarre claims conveniently forgetting certain undeniable facts about simple physics, etc…. and even a rudimentary search of some terms like the ones above will show that even Stormfront members post about it and the “blak helicoptuurs”.

They say “NWO” and “duh Fed!”, and “dronze”: good. Go get ‘em. If it makes them afraid for their lives like they do to others: do it.

We say: This started with a tradition of scapegoating of any minority or individual since the dawn of time, and honed to a degree of selective and targeted abuse: primarily in this country by the Ku Klux Klan.

An envelope in your mailbox with no name, no return address, unsealed, with five blue jay feathers in it mean that the end of your life has already begun: you might as well just blow your head off.

Discourse about the frustration of such irresponsible and flippant disregard by Law Enforcement and Legal groups on this page just seems to get you blocked/moderated as was my response to you on 3/26/2013 thanking you for your concern and interest in my post.

From what I understand, and have been told by Law Enforcement (FBI), you’re wasting your time calling it a crime.
They are allowed to organize their militias and hate groups, stockpile, build their compounds, and screech overthrow of the “gubbermunt” all they want to: it’s not a crime.
They can destroy your life, and everything that you have done through instigation of Imminent Lawlessness and Collusion and Conspiracy to Deprive Of Rights by their friends in local bars and businesses: it’s not a crime.
They can collaborate to deprive you of any and all rights guaranteed by Constitutional Law to run you out of your workplace, town, and home: it’s not a crime.
They can instigate and foment multiples of horrendous and disgusting/depraved accusations against you, and even commit Felonies in your neighborhood and blame you: it’s not a crime.
They can destroy your property, follow you around, and instigate surveillance of your home and property: it’s not a crime.
They can call you whatever racial slur they want to, they can get others to corner you and do it for them, they can post filth about you on the Internet, they can set up web pages and E-mail addresses with your name: it’s not a crime.
They can threaten to murder you with impunity, terrorize you with firearms at all hours of the night and ridicule you about it (“just coon hunting”): it’s not a crime.
They can threaten friends, family members, co-workers and neighbors if they try to help you, or, enlist others to help them: it’s not a crime.
Key Stroke Loggers/computer hacking are apparently perfectly legal, even the FBI recruits Felony Convicted hackers who then have free reign and Government sanction to screw with someone: it’s not a crime.
They can fill your in-boxes and “spam” folder with “messages” about conversations that you have, or their depraved accusations about you in your town: it’s not a crime.
They can stalk you from out of the State, and out of the country: it’s not a crime.

Psychological abuse/terrorism is “in your head”, and it’s how “you feel”. It doesn’t matter: it’s not a crime.

Let alone a website that might have been up for YEARS that you didn’t know about with absolute filth with your name associated.
Ding! Light bulb goes on!
After you get up and vomit from the disgust and horror that this page has been out there for unknown years… probably even before you even owned a computer… and that anyone searching your name might very well have found that page… and it starts to explain some of the disgusting things strangers have said to you, and the repulsed and disgusted looks that you have been getting in local businesses or on the street… and the years that you have been sending out links and resumes of your work trying to get work of any kind and never heard back from any of them… and the smug and evil sneers and jeers that you get from those in the local businesses in the area that you know to be tied to local Hate Groups and drug dealers.

But that’s not a crime… I just recently was told that again: by an “intake specialist” at a major Law Firm, and an FBI agent.
It’s not a Crime.
Hear that?
It doesn’t matter that it made you violently sick to find that page with all of that filth and your name.
It’s not a Crime.

Stalking minorities in a township or town to deprive them of Rights to Free Association, Fair Housing, Fair Employment, by local Law Enforcement and Township boards with documented Hate Group organizers involved, etc: is not a crime.

If you believe in Rule of Law, Civil Rights and Justice: forget it.
It’s not for YOU, you dirty, disgusting, insane, drug addicted, diseased (insert minority name).
They stand back and put their thumbs in their ears and say: “Nyaa, Nyaa! You have to PROVE It was Me/Us and you don’t have any munnneee!”

“Stand strong blackskin and take your blow.”
Steel Pulse.

“Good Luck.” by Law Enforcement means: We have more important things to do than investigate allegations of Repeated Racist Discrimination and Internal Domestic Terrorists: we are the FBI.
“I can’t waste the taxpayers money.” stated by an FBI agent on 4/2/2013 means: I am White. You are an (insert minority group), and You Don’t Matter.
Ergo sum: You don’t have any money to pay us, or hire a lawyer, or hire a “Private Investigator”. They are allowed to do it because they have money and resources. Don’t waste our time. Just Go Fuc*ing Die Already.
“Get a lawyer.”
“Good Luck.”

Yes, these people are that stupid and far worse. It is as if some sort of brain poison was released as gaseous matter and affected a very vulnerable group of our society.

It’s a very sad situation. They not only harm themselves and offspring but they become a real burden on our society as a whole.

1. Your movement isn’t revolutionary, it’s reactionary.

2. Sorry but you don’t get to change the rules of logic.

” After the revolution we will hire thousands of new Historians to write new History books.”

In other words, you’ll hire historians not to do the job of historians, but rather to just invent fairy tales that make you feel good. Okay.

” In these new books we will be portrayed as good, moral, and ethical. Our enemies will be portrayed as immoral, unethical, and evil. ”

Those would be novels, not history books. Crappy novels.

“And that will fix the problem. One thousand years from now, in the history books, white patriots will be portrayed as heroes. Our enemies, portrayed as devils. Thus, the problem will be fixed.”

Part of me thinks you’re trying to do some kind of thought experiment here that probably seems brilliant to you, but even if it is a bit tongue and cheek it seems you’re flat out admitting that your ideology is basically a house of cards.

Seek help, buddy. You’re sick.

They do commit crimes by employing the services of others and conspiring to interfere and impede services being offered by business’s where minorities shop and spend time.

They use non verbal tactics to try and send messages to their victims. They are indeed committing crimes it’s just you need to know how to identify their crimes and clearly observe them.

Most appear to be despicable human beings who don’t have great lives outside of their hate group activities.

All and all most of what I’ve seen have been a large group of losers that mostly look to be related and that is a very scary thing.

They are free to be scum yet another day.