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Extremists Blame Favorite Bogeymen for Boston Bombings

By Marilyn Elias on April 17, 2013 - 4:31 pm, Posted in Anti-Immigrant, Anti-LGBT, Anti-Muslim, Conspiracies

Editor’s Note: We’ve corrected the attribution of a quote below suggesting that if the attackers were antigovernment they would have attacked a government target, rather than random Americans. The quote actually came from Mike Lackomar of the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia. Hatewatch regrets the error, which was the result of an editing mistake.

Who was responsible for the deadly Boston terrorist attack?

The Muslims did it. No, it was an illegal immigrant. Think again – it was a gay guy. Wait, you missed the key signs: Our own government once again pulled off an act of covert terror to promote its nefarious aims.

Fingers have been pointed in all of these directions by conspiracy theory peddlers and professional hatemongers since the bombings Monday.

“It’s a pretty safe bet right now that this attack was carried out by an Islamist,” declared a post on the Tea Party Nation website Tuesday. The obvious cause for the violence? “We have a government that is not committed to protecting America.” Linking Islam with Ronald Reagan’s “evil empire” of Communism, the post warned that the Boston bombings are just another event presaging future violence in “an ideological war” that can only be won if we have tougher, more anti-Islam U.S. political leaders. That, of course, would be the Tea Party cabal.

Pamela Geller, the raging Islamophobic activist, immediately declared “case closed” in a Monday blog headlined “Jihadi Arrested in Horrific Boston Marathon Bombing.” Boston police released the Saudi Arabian college student whom she incorrectly referred to as “arrested” and said, after questioning him, that he was no longer a suspect.

But maybe the man foolishly released by police is not a Jihadi but rather planted the bombings because he’s gay. That’s the implication advanced by several right-wing web sites such as Free Republic and Gateway Pundit.  They took the initiative to post information from the Facebook page of the Saudi youth. They claimed he was “guarded by federal agents” and was surely either gay or bisexual because he expressed interest in “men and women,” had vacationed in Key West and “liked” the Ellen Degeneres Show.

Erik Rush, a periodic Fox News guest, set a more urgent tone, tweeting, “Everybody do the National Security Ankle Grab! Let’s bring more Saudis in without screening them! C’mon! #bostonmarathon.” When asked online if he was blaming Muslims for the bombings, Rush replied: “Yes, they’re evil. Kill them all.” Later, he claimed he was just joking and deleted the post. But Right Wing Watch captured it for posterity.

Anti-immigrant activists seized on the terrorism to fuel fears about pending immigration reform legislation. Right-wing talk show host Laura Ingraham tried Tuesday to goad Rep. Mike McCaul, chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, into blaming undocumented immigrants for the Boston attacks. When he didn’t bite, she advised closing our borders as the logical solution.

Rep. Steve King, an Iowa Republican and leading opponent of immigration reform, portrayed the terror acts as a clear indication that reform could threaten Americans. Before anyone had been arrested Tuesday, he told National Review Online, “If we can’t background-check people that are coming from Saudi Arabia, how do we think we are going to background-check the 11 to 20 million people that are here from who knows where?” He said the Boston violence should slow action on immigration reform.

Several leaders in the antigovernment militia movement told Buzzfeed their activists wouldn’t have done it. “(It) had nothing to do with militias – that’s a bunch of bullshit,” Dave Trochmann, co-founder of the Militia of Montana said. “It was probably a raghead.”

Mike Lackomar, a spokesman for the Southeast Michigan Volunteeer Militia, said that “somebody pissed off at the government” wouldn’t attack civilians but would rather choose a government target. John Levengood of the Kansas State Militia cast suspicion, however, on a “skinhead type of militia where it’s all about race – that’s those guys in Montana and Idaho – and they don’t like society integrating the way that it has been. They could have done it very easily.”

The most déjà vu explanation of all came from Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist and radio host. He suggested the bombings looked like a “false flag” operation by the government. Militia activists also widely voiced this “false flag” refrain after the Sept. 11 attacks and the Oklahoma City bombings. To folks like Jones, it makes perfect sense. In a webcast Monday, he said: “You saw them stage Fast and Furious. … They staged Aurora, they staged Sandy Hook. The evidence is just overwhelming. And that’s why I’m so desperate and freaked out. This is not fun you know, getting up here telling you this.”  But, alas, the burden falls on Jones. “Somebody’s got to tell you the truth.”

And, of course, Westboro Baptist Church, arguably the most hated hate group in America, had the answer: God sent the bombs in retaliation for Massachusetts’ decision to allow same-sex marriage. “Thank God, for his righteous judgment,” says Westboro’s Sam Phelps-Roper in seven-minute video posted Tuesday on the group’s GodHatesFags website.

  • aadila

    Compassion has value but it cannot be bought or sold.

  • Aron

    The only truly ‘evil’ thing in the world are Brussels sprouts.

    Everyone knows that.

  • Erika

    Rey, while people may do evil things, i do not believe that they ever become truely “evil.” Or at least its not really our place to judge who or what is “evil.”

    But expanding from the definition of “money” to include power (and since most people ultimately want power to obtain money) it seems that you are basically restating what it says in The Bible – “the love of money is the root of all evil.” And that is almost without a doubt true especially if you use money in its most broad sense to mean anything of value.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    This got a bit too philosophical for my blood.

  • aadila

    As long as we are discussing the nature of evil here, I think it is worthwhile to discuss the nature of “terror” and the ongoing use of this phrase in American polity.

    We frequently see terms like “evil” and “terror” thrown about and I think as some of the above comments show, these are terms which most intelligent observers do not automatically accept as valid, or at least, without qualification as to what is meant.

    I am very concerned that the American people are increasingly unaware of how meaningless such terms are when spoken politically, and how, with political language, it is possible to hoodwink voters.

    Rob Urie wrote a piece for CounterPunch that I think should be required reading for the American public. In the piece he points out the institutionalization of terror by our own country (prisons, Gitmo, drone attacks, etc) and the relative complacency of the American left over what should merit greater consideration. The right couldn’t care less about our national hypocrisy on terror, but at least some of us on the left might.

    Take a peep at this on TruthDig:

    “The practical problem with using imperial / state terror as a strategy of political repression is that random torture and murder don’t force compliance with imperial and / or state interests.”

    So true, Rob. So true.

    http://www.truthdig.com/eartot....._20130422/

  • Reynardine

    An evil nature is one that feeds itself on self-importance, malice, and a lust to domineer and punish; many people can have evil moods, but those who grow addicted to the feeling of power such moods give them and therefore court and indulge them, become evil.

  • Erika

    Thanks Aron :)

  • Erika

    Sam, the problem is that once you start to say that there is “evil” in the world is who gets to define it. “Evil” can mean almost anything according to who defines it. According to the Taliban, i am a very “evil” woman due to working outside of the home, not completely covering my body, and not letting men completely control my life. Some members of the Christian right would agree with them for pretty much the exact same reasons – or maybe they would just consider me wicked which is sort of like evil. The same parties also consider homosexuals and homosexuality “evil.” Nazis consider Jews to be “evil.” Some racists believe that black people are “evil.”

    And ultimately that is the flaw in the entire “they hate us because they are evil” approach. Al Queda thinks that the U.S. is evil. We say that Al Queda is evil. By adopting the attitude that we are fighting “evil” we are playing right into their hands.

    Ronald Reagan called the Soviet Union the “Evil Empire” but Allatoya Komeni called the U.S. “The Great Satan.” The similarities should be noted. Such language does nothing but demonizes and essentially dehumanizes your opposition. That is a common technique in propaganda and the media and is continuously seen especially among religious groups.

    Essentially by declaring for yourself the right to declare people “evil” you are legitimizing the entire concept of demonizing people. Yes, i’m sure that if you polled people the vast majority of people would say that a mass murderer or a bomber is “evil.” Its “evil” to kill a bunch of people. A majority probably would also agree that rape, murder, and mayhem (in the common law sense) are “evil.” Some people would call the people who commit those crimes “evil” but it is a smaller percentage. Most people would also agree that robbery and theft are “evil.” But relatively few people would say that a thief is “evil.” However, society has decided that acts such as those are sufficiently “evil” to be criminal.

    But then you get to more controversial subjects such as whether it is evil for women to wear pants or to have minds of their own. Or is it evil for a large corporation to shift jobs to places where they can pay people 10 cents an hour to work in dangerous conditions where they get killed and maimed. Many leftists would say that is evil – but right wingers would say that is not only not evil, but it is morally right (because the corporation’s only duty is to make as much money as possible for its shareholders). The right wingers further more would say that its evil for the leftists to oppose those noble corporations in their actions.

    Ultimately far from promoting universalism for humans to claim the right to declare people “evil” is to promote relativism. The question always becomes who exactly is defining evil – and no matter who you are and what you do, ultimately there is someone someplace in the world that considers you to be “evil.” By calling them “evil” in return you ultimately do nothing but lower yourself to their level.

  • aadila

    Sam, I see the validity of your points and these are questions that have no one single answer. My own view is that as soon as we put a name on the unnamed — such as “evil” — we start to distort it.

    As a matter of principle then if I am going to use terms such as “evil” (which simply a name for fear) I prefer to use it not to describe the nature of people. So I might be more likely to say the bombing is an evil act, then to go the extra step and say the bombers are evil people. That doesn’t mean I think they are good. I just don’t think the term fits what it describes.

    Again I would like to point out that all the evil in the world arises from the mind. And the only mind we can really do anything about is our own.

  • http://devlin-mcaliskey.blogspot.com/ Tom Shelley

    I’m not sure if this has already been linked to, but there’s a good blog post about whether or not the alleged bombers are white. It’s at- http://oreaddaily.blogspot.com.....r-not.html

    Tom

  • Sam Molloy

    Aadila, perhaps I oversimplified my point in the interest of brevity when I referred to “bad people”. Were all Germans in Nazi Germany bad? Did the train engineers joyfully transport people to the death camps? How bad is bad? Killing innocent children was done by airborne bombs in Dresden, Berlin and Hiroshima, and still happens today when a Drone misses or hits a terrorist cell that has children present. My point was that there is evil in the world and it is better to stand up to it than encourage it by tolerating it as some form of Diversity.

  • Reynardine

    This could mark a very dark turn in our history.

  • Kiwiwriter

    Well, when this atrocity took place, everyone started flailing their favorite straw man. I had a pal who said that the North Koreans were behind it.

    I chose to wait and see, because I was baffled and still remain baffled that nobody had modestly taken credit for this horror. In most of these incidents, there has been the follow-up video, manifesto, taped message, or phone call from someone saying they did it and why.

    For a while, I wondered if the attack was not political or religious terrorism at all, but someone extracting personal revenge against someone else — a spurned lover, a business rival, a jealous boyfriend — and was covering their personal anger by making it a general atrocity to throw the cops off the trail. Looks like I was wrong, too. But I didn’t make a public statement about it.

    We still don’t know what seems to have motivated these two idiots. Hopefully, we soon will. Either way, the conspiracy theorists will have something interesting for them (and amusing for us) to do for the rest of the next 10 years.

  • Reynardine

    Chechnya is muslin? And here I thought it was gingham.

    (I have promised to be good. I won’t tell that Georgia joke.)

  • Aron

    Mark,

    It is so nice to have you commenting here! I really hope you decide to grace us with your presence more often.

    And happy birthday, Princess Erika!

  • aadila

    Don’t forget, Mark. News Corp went to court to defend the right of news organizations to alter the facts of news findings according to their whims, supported by amicus briefs from pretty much every other major television news company. And won.

    I’m sure you can find some data on PACER or simple search engine queries about the 1997 whistleblowing case where two investigative reporters (Steve Wilson and Jane Akre) were fired for refusing to alter the facts of a story regarding the human health hazards of the use of Monsanto Corporation’s bovine growth hormones rBST and rBGH. They sued and won, but were countersued by News Corp’s considerable legal machine.

    The court decided that falsifications by broadcast news media are against FCC policy, but apparently not against the law, even when public health is at risk. So I am not surprised they feel perfectly comfortable distorting your comments with impunity.

  • MRJ

    @concernedcitizen

    Previously you posted about harassment/stalking of minorities by groups of related individuals in an area.
    You also asked/mentioned the effective means of identifying individuals/groups/behavior of this nature for others.
    This might be preaching to the choir, but here’s a good couple of links.
    They have helped me recognize a dozen of these types on various chats and pages, E-mails and IMs.
    There is drop-down on the ADL site on the top left on their menu called “Combating Hate” and has a good list of acronyms/tattoos/numeric codes that has helped me recognize and stay away from IMs, sites, people with certain bumper stickers in my area, etc..

    http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default.asp

    W.A.R., O.R.I.O.N, “Fear This” with Confederate battle flags (a solid sticker, not two different ones), etc. are all over this area (mine) when you know what to look for.
    Confederate Flags abound in this Northern State.
    So are the palm tree and crescent: with the palm tree leaves and crescent colored with the Confederate Battle flag.
    You know, if someone is actually making these stickers and selling them (obvious), and they are showing up in an area… it’s a symptom, an indicator of a serious problem.
    Often Klukkkers and White Supremacists also mark their on-line pages on the bottom (usually left) with a sideways “tyr” rune.
    I have found several of these on various chats/pages: one of them even dealing with “CIA” stalking and harassment techniques.
    A page set up to teach their members on how to stalk minorities: apparently taken down after visiting/reporting.
    Another one that I personally feel should be listed is 32.
    Don’t know if it means Christian Brotherhood or some such, or if it is just 23 backwards, but quite a few times I have seen 32 followed by 88 or other: coupled with a racist or anti-Obama statement.
    You really can’t tell me that someone posting under, say, 3288, etc. isn’t WS or Dominionist.
    They also use various House Resolutions to identify themselves, ie: a “biker” chick (ABATE member: A Brotherhood Against Totalitarian Enactments: now changed to a less “controversial” statement: but the intent is the same), the “go to” person for placement in alll of the art galleries in this area, whose screen name was “XXx615″.
    The “XX” being her initials: the x615 being HR 615: The so labeled “Obamacare”… and her FB page full of anti-Fed, anti-”entitlement”/hate Obama, “Take Our Country Back”, GOOOH rhetoric, etc. (Gee! And you wonder why there are absolutely No African Americans in any local galleries… or represented in venues during major art festivals in the area)… and more of the 88s, 32s, etc. in local gallery mailing lists… WS in the Arts. After all, to completely abuse the heritage and histories, or the pride of any minority people anywhere, you have to take away their arts and music, or freedom of free expression, Right?
    It was nice to see the articles by the ADL on extremists in biker groups after a while: that whole “live free or die” fits nicely with certain mind sets about any protective laws and personal borders and responsibility for actions: GORK.
    God Only Really Knows.
    What do ER personnel call bikers without helmets?
    Organ Donors.

    Here is another good one that has a more extensive list of numeric “codes” and slang, tats, etc..

    http://www.strhatetalk.com/Home_Page.php

    On this one go to the “intel” drop-down.
    Most of it has to do with skinheads: when on an “artists chat” on Aol once I was repeatedly asked if I was an “alien” before I knew what it meant.
    At the time (2008) I had no idea what it was supposed to mean, why this guy kept asking me this inane question.
    Certain places on-line are also rife with these, and some going there were completely unaware of what the numbers meant: like the NAC (Native American Chat) on Aol. Often there were more Klukkers there than Natives.
    Dozens of times 88s, 311s (or cutsie variations: 3to1), 23s, 28s, etc..
    Certain locals (this area) spent serious time there under various aliases causing all kinds of problems.
    Another that might be of mention (although it really is the easy way to put numbers in a screen name): 123.
    Coupled with racist or anti-Fed or Obama sentiments could mean Aryan White, or other such: could be an interesting study for someone.

    @concernedcitizen:
    The more that you can do to forward these images and “codes”, the faster friends and family members might know what to watch for on-line (screen names with 311, 28, 18, 88, 1488, 5, 514, 14, 419, 420, 818 (whiterabit818 on Huffington Post), etc….) and be safer in their “friends” lists or on chats on-line.

  • Mark Potok

    I’d like to point out that despite what the extreme-right “news” sites say, we’ve been saying clearly, in a whole series of TV news appearances and in the papers, that the attack did NOT really seem to be from the right. I pointed out repeatedly how the only unifying feature of the people targeted in Boston was that they were Americans (yes, I know one fatality was a Chinese native, but the bombers didn’t know that) — the bombers weren’t targeting the government, or the IRS, or the minority groups that the radical right typically does. The idiot right-wing press, very much including Fox’s Bill O’Reilly, reported this completely backwards, saying I was pressing the right-wing theory. O’Reilly and all the rest seem quite incapable of understanding English, but I guess I knew that. I also pointed out that the Massachusetts’ celebration of Patriots Day on the third Monday (April 15 this year) was NOT the date that was important to the radical right — that would be today, April 19. But none of this mattered to the lunatic right, which simply assumed SPLC would be plugging the right-wing theory no matter what the facts were. It would help their “analysis” if they had a couple of brain cells to rub together. Sadly, they do not.

  • aadila

    I agree with Ruslan on the militias.

    Whenever a parallel power emerges in a democracy, generally it because a disgruntled few disrespect the will of the People. Being unhappy with the way things go at the polls does not legitimize establishing a parallel power aimed at defying the public order.

  • Erika

    georgia citizen, nobody was hoping that the attack was done by right wing anti-government types. Many – and not just leftists – were spectulating that the attackers were likely homegrown antigovernment types based upon the date of the attack (April 15, or as it is much more commonly called, my birthday, oops i mean Tax Day) and also being Patriot Day commemorating the start of the American Revolution. While apparently incorrect (although we may never know what the attackers true motivations were), that was perfectly logical given the circumstances. But saying that something is logical does not mean you are hoping it is the case.

  • http://theblogthatam.yolasite.com/theblogthatam.php IludiumPhosdex

    Roger B. observes:

    The good news is that most of the time you can pretty much spot a conspiracy nut case right off when they say “the truth Behind this event is”. They have a definite identifiable mental illness and need to have their insecurities fed by making this garbage up.

    Meanwhile, it’s been suggested that such believing in an angry, vengeance-driven God may be unwittingly concealing Serious Mental Disorders; a new study suggests as much.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    ” Militias are people who love their country and ensure that their freedoms are not taken away due to policies created from nothing. ”

    I don’t trust militias to guard my “freedom.”

  • concernedcitizen

    Careful Roger, we mustn’t prejudge.

    There are some very sane and intelligent people out there that initially do sound like nut jobs, but at closer investigation you find there is more to them, like Einstein.

  • concernedcitizen

    Sam, it wouldn’t be a world based on true strength, just a world built on the weakness’s that hate and ignorance breed. And therefore they must spend time lifting boulders because it is the only muscle they have learned to use.

    Back to the caveman era…

    I agree that good people need to take a stand to prevent the De-evolution of mankind.

  • aadila

    Sam,

    Your point is clear enough, and seems quite reasonable at the surface. Bad actions result from bad people. Good actions from good people. Ok, let’s look at that.

    It is very common to all sorts of horrific episodes of human history for there to be ample justification (moral/religious/philosophical/material) for strangling out the life of other people and basically perpetuating the cycle of violence. From the side of the one harmed those justifications seem evil.

    If you look deeper into what you consider a “good” or “bad” person it will be harder and harder to define it what exactly we are talking about. I don’t mean brush it aside because what I am saying conflicts with your view, but really look deeply into what we are talking about here. This should never be interpreted as an apology for terror, but no extremist considers themselves in the wrong when embarking on the path of harm. Not a single one.

    On the flip side, there are those who have committed acts of harm and later came to regret it. Is it a good person or a bad person who does wrong in the name of right? Is it a good person or a bad person who regrets and seeks to atone for the harm they have caused? Where does this bad and good reside?

    So in a confrontation of ideology, such as we see with jihadism, I find it very difficult to support an argument that “we are good, they are bad” because almost anyone, anywhere considers themselves justified in anything they do or they wouldn’t do it in the first place.

  • concernedcitizen

    nice uncle, helps to remember why blood is only personality deep.

  • aadila

    Georgia Citizen, my sense is it is not the SPLC in particular, nor the left wing in general, that has difficulty controlling their conspiracy sphincters.

  • concernedcitizen

    Yes Tobias that is correct, prayer and sending in Tips.

  • concernedcitizen

    No it has not been my experience that Militias are people who love their country, some people may get together under the guidance of law enforcement and refer to themselves as militias, but others who are considered underground militias are nothing more than a bunch of gun toting yahoos who lead others into violating laws and lead with blind ignorance and are dangerous to all of those who get involved with them

  • Reynardine

    EightBits, Gohmert is proof that the smallest minds are the easiest to lose.

  • Sam Molloy

    No, Gary, and Mark, there are bad people. How can killing innocent people seem like a good idea? Good people have to stand up to them or give up the world to a hellish society based on strength instead of knowledge.

  • Georgia Citizen

    I guess this busts the bubbles for those were hoping for some right wing conspiracies and terrorism. The suspects are originally from Chechnya9A part of Russia. Chechnyn is muslein.To the credit of one of SPLC writer for putting out info on Islamic jihadists and extrenmists.

  • Tobias A. Weissman

    Let’s stop speculating on who did what, what group we should blame, did the Muslims do this and so on and so on. Why not instead pray for our FBI and Police to find the perpetrators and bring to justice instead of further spreading hate amongst our people’s. That’s a much better way of disarming this hate attitude that is now endangering our country.

  • SAS

    Simply incredible.

  • aadila

    The only violence we can prevent, with utter certainty, is the violence in our own hearts. When we conquer this, when we cut off its root, we cease contributing to the violence in the world. This is the way to address the problem of violence.

    As long as we look at it as an external phenomenon that doesn’t depend on what goes on in our own minds, we will not address the root of the problem and violence will certainly proliferate. If you have ever experienced anger or hate, no matter how subtle the form, there is no way you could possibly consider yourself as separate from the problem of violence in the world.

  • Reynardine

    The perps turn out to have been ethnic Chechens, though perhaps not actually born in that region. The elder, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, died in a shootout. His younger brother, Dzhokar, 19, is still at large. They had been in this country (accounts vary) between five and ten years. The elder reportedly said he “could not understand Americans”.

    No motive has yet been ascribed to them, nor any group affiliation. Their uncle reportedly said Tamerlan was better off dead.

  • mark costanzo

    Our society has a systemic problem with violence, from drone strikes that kill innocent civilians, unjust wars that have ruined countless lives, gun violence,child abuse,racism, & loss of the sanctity of human life. All this sets the template for terrorism like we saw in Boston.

  • http://Www.onesheet.com/melayela @melayela

    Who knows but i bet this will justify more surveillance and spying tech than therapy and hard healing needed from the war on drugs.

    All i know is that when recreating with mary jain i dont terrorize anybody only harass my mang when im low.

    Cuz pot iz pretty and racism is ugly

    http://goo.gl/k0Mnp

  • http://Youtube.com Jan Pfleger

    Information should float freely around, that is what makes this country great. Militias and hate groups are two completely different things. Militias are people who love their country and ensure that their freedoms are not taken away due to policies created from nothing. How is anyone supposed to ignore the loudspeaker at the marathon?

  • Gary Miller

    Terrorism and hatred makes me depressed and sad. I always remind myself of what a girl once said as her world was falling apart and millions of people were dying. It helps me to bring back my faith in this evil world.

    “Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart.” – Anne Frank.

    Nessus

  • Tobi Ricca

    Whenever a tragedy like this happens, I know there are these people out there who say things like this, but somehow, when I read the things they say, I’m amazed. How does the human mind think up this hateful nonsense?! …and, actually believe it. …and, spew it all over… Can’t we deport them to their own island, preferably one that’s about to succumb to global warming and higher ocean levels?
    When the ricin letters turned up and the fertilizer plant exploded, I can’t help thinking this is all homegrown. Of course,it sounds like the fertilizer explosion might have been an accident waiting to happen. It’s all a bit close together in time…

  • EightBits

    As a side issue, I watched Louie Gohmert on the House floor accusing SPLC as being a hate group. No wonder he is referred to as a lunatic. This guy is indeed a lunatic , a real clown without basic intelligence needed to serve in congress.
    Are the folks in Texas that radical?

  • Terry

    Deja vu all over again?

  • Sam Molloy

    A poll following the bombing had a high number of people, over 60%, thinking Domestic Terrorist. To me it is a relief that the possibility is so plausible, and it’s not automatically considered to have been “Mooslims”. However the just released photos of “Suspect 1″ and “Suspect 2″ look more Middle Eastern than Bullethead Cracker to me.

  • Roger B.

    The good news is that most of the time you can pretty much spot a conspiracy nut case right off when they say “the truth Behind this event is”. They have a definite identifiable mental illness and need to have their insecurities fed by making this garbage up.

  • majii

    I wonder when these folks will ever realize that they are usually wrong 99.9999% of the time, and that they keep making the same mistakes. If I were one of them, at this point, I’d hang my head in shame. I can only surmise that they are able to easily forget when they are wrong, since many of them often deny that they said what they said after their conspiracy theories don’t match the facts. I believe they also like the attention they get, and that they say outrageous and hurtful things about serious issues to increase the size of their bank accounts. While they are airing these wacky, fact-less conspiracy theories, they are also focused on selling something to their supporters. That they are vultures, imo, cannot be denied as they feed off the misery of others and have no concern for whom they might offend.

  • concernedcitizen

    I don’t believe it’s ever funny to make jokes about people lives being destroyed by war. It’s something that we make light of in this country and something we need to seriously redefine as NOT being comedy worthy material.

    John Livengood of the Kansas State Militia said that “someone pissed off at the government” wouldn’t attack civilians but would rather choose a government target. He cast suspicion, however, on a “skinhead type of militia where it’s all about race – that’s those guys in Montana and Idaho – and they don’t like society integrating the way that it has been. They could have done it very easily.”

    I believe there are many possibility of homegrown terrorists that could have carried this out. Only because I have seen the racists groups that organize in this country and operate as small Armies. Using covert and clandestine methods it’s very perplexing how they can manage to operate so openly and freely right under our governments nose.

    Reminds me of the Madoff and SEC scandal, “nobody would listen”. Being on the front lines and out and about watching and listening to what’s happening on street level will give so many more missing pieces of the puzzle.

    I have long said that these militias or organized hate groups whatever they call themselves will lead us into wars right here in our own backyard.

  • concernedcitizen

    That’s funny, JCF and very true. The very sad thing about all of this are the fear mongers who use these events to push hate and divide in this country.

    And the groups that are organizing to push government overthrow and all sorts of stupidity that just turns America more and more into a war zone.

    Some of the violence may be negated by simply squashing some of the hate propaganda that we have floating freely through our news and entertainment, it’s all fun and games making jokes about foreign children being blown to bits, but it’s not as funny when that hits home and it’s American children being blown up.

    The use of dehumanizing rhetoric and euphamism’s to minimize acts of violence may not affect us when we employ it towards other people. But how does it feel to listen to other Americans like those of the Westboro Baptist church give praise to God for blowing up the people in Boston, even a small child?

    What God’s intentions were or were not I can say with confidence is not a privy information to those members of the Westboro Baptist Church, but even a good Christian knows that you do not gloat over those who have fallen in a war, even a war you may personally be involved in.

    So what do these people consider themselves to be? If it doesn’t act like a Christian, look like a Christian or remotely sound like a Christian then I personally would not define it as a Christian.

  • http://g.mail Beth

    Hatred begets hatred. I pray for even one of those knee-jerk haters to find a heart.

  • JCF

    So many wackos, so little Thorazine…