Thank you so much for your posts, especially this…
(and personally i look down upon anyone who engages in indiscriminate sexual conduct – that is about the stupidest thing that any person can do – sex should be a symbol of a mutually loving and respectful relationship).

One of the things that the anti-gay right tries to do is make it look like everybody who approves of gay rights, including straight people, are some kinds of wild, crazed sex addicts. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I am a straight man and I totally agree with that paragraph you wrote – but that’s for ME. I have no right to force my feelings about my sex/love life on anyone else. I don’t care it they are straight or gay, monogamous or promiscuous or whatever. That’s their right, and no-one should interfere with that. I may not approve of the way they live their lives, but as long as they don’t hassle me for my ways, I don’t hassle them for theirs. It’s really just that simple.

Seriously, is there like a club at colleges with a name like the Liberty Orgy Society which puts fliers up (or maybe Facebook announcements would now be used) saying that the Orgy Society will be having a party that would make Caligula blush coming up (“bring a friend”)???

its not been that long since i graduated from college and even more recently that i graduated from law school, and i distinctly remember that while many of the boys (especially in those houses with Greek letters on the front) seemed to want to have sex with anything with a vagina the overwhelmingly dominant feeling among the girls was not mutual. In fact a woman who engaged in indiscriminate sexual conduct would be as socially shunned by the other girls (and even somewhat perplexingly by the boys who ultimately just do not like to share).

So basically i think that like the colored plastic bands or the (if i remember correctly) “rainbow parties” you are reporting on something which is merely an urban legend. Every few years a new myth about college (or often high school students) being sexually active in some new vaguely disturbing way that tends to crumble under scrutiny shows up – and yes, if you can believe sexual surveys based upon self reporting there is a lot of sex going on on college campuses – but almost all of that sex is within “boyfriend-girlfriend” relationships.

This “hookup culture” sounds suspiciously like some naive person overheard some talk about sexual conquests in a male locker room and was foolish enough to actually believe it – and with a large number of people (often known as Fox News viewers) willing to believe any story which makes one of their favored targets (colleges and universities which don’t you know indoctrinate young people to become Marxists) look bad such a story will quickly spread through breathless news reports and emails to make naive people who simply do not understand history (not the least of which is that numerous cultures through time actually encouraged young men to go to prostitutes to learn how to become a man even while strictly requiring virginity amoung young women (at least of their tribe)

Go preach elsewhere.

I think part of the issue is reducible to simple homophobia and this insane fear that homosexuality is the cooties or something that will be spread by contact or close association. Repeatedly these groups produce the same arguments that gays are on a mission to proliferate their sexuality through marriage and somehow pass this along to children.

So when we boil it down the issue is that they fear more people might “become” gay, not whether or not such unions are healthy for kids. Even the very idea that other people might accept gays as social equals is to them an offense to their values.

That then is the moral high horse they ride through communities and households where two people love one another and want to have kids, brandishing the flaming sword of compulsory heterosexuality and tearing people’s lives apart. That those people might be the same gender has already harmed their worldview, so they project that moral outrage by coming up with shaky studies and feeble arguments for why two gay parents are going to ruin the lives of the child.

I think the only way that could even happen as a generalized thing is if our society is so stultified, prejudiced and openly hostile, that such families cannot circulate socially without condemnation and scorn at schools, churches, civic clubs, sports events and whatever constitutes a normal, healthy childhood in America.

If there is any harm in a same sex marriage for kids, that harm comes from outside the family. It doesn’t have to be a big deal unless people make it into one.

and of course, if you had any sense of history at all, you’d realize that there is really nothing new about this – read your Bible and notice the extremely frequent references to prostitution and prostitutes. Then there are the frequent mentions in the Old Testament about following conquests how the Ancient Hebrews carried off foreign women as “wives” or forced foreign women to become sex slaves as prostitutes. Note also that while men were allowed to run free having sex with lots of women, the sex lives of Ancient Hebrew women were tightly controlled (under the threat of death) by men. The Bible even says that rape victims should be forced to marry their attacker or be stoned to death. Note that the Ancient Hebrews were hardly the only culture who seemed to encourage their men to sleep around, openly encouraged prostitution, and openly followed military conquests with sexual conquests of foreign women. Almost all cultures in recorded history have done it – but only the Ancient Hebrews resulted in three major religions (and note the irony of what the selective citing of Old Testament law has resulted in people who claim to follow a book loaded with talk about prostitution, sexual conquests of women, and men having numerous wives and harems of concumbines becoming the morality police).

There is nothing new here at all – its more of the same old sexual double standard as a way for men to sexually control women by encouraging men to sleep around.

(and btw, i’m pretty sure i know of one college student who would be very eager to go to an “anti-sex” conference – won’t mention his name in the fear of having him show back up)

(and personally i look down upon anyone who engages in indiscriminate sexual conduct – that is about the stupidest thing that any person can do – sex should be a symbol of a mutually loving and respectful relationship)

There are by some studies 4 million kids taking stimulants and half a million taking heavy anti-psychotic medications in America today. This is largely environmental. Why is this happening? Not because of the homosexuals. This is happening in heterosexual households.

Any union, traditional or untraditional, is going to be challenged by the economic reality that in America today the only value any human being has it what can be produced. Human worth can be reduced to a dollar sign in America. Production value taken out of the equation, people have no value at all, because they cannot enrich those who own the means of production. Who keep owning it by pushing down the worker.

That is America.

So we have both parents working, companies raping their paychecks with a measly fraction of what people produce, granting a piddling two weeks vacation or maybe one, cutting back on insurance benefits, throwing pregnant women overboard and encouraging people to live their entire lives to bolster the profits of the 1%. Wage labor is a form of bond slavery, and our culture insists upon it.

No wonder out children suffer. It’s not because of what gender people prefer to have sex with. It’s because our entire soulless capitalist culture is all about getting the most out of workers while paying them least. This raises stress, reduces time for families to be together, and creates an unsustainable drive toward material “success” that means little more than collecting the biggest pile of dung before we die.

Are we to draw the conclusion that only gay people sodomize one another? It appears that Regnerus hasn’t watched the porn he’s been spouting off about.

And we are also to assume that mentally unstable people and drug addicts don’t get married now, but with the introduction of gay and lesbians there will be an influx of unstable people and drug addicts in marriages?

Does Regnerus ever read or listen to the news?

None of these arguments or premises make any sense. They are so completely incoherent it appears that those who are unstable would be more attracted to them.

What rocks do people like Regnerus crawl up from under…when we have the answer to that question we can then decide how to get rid of those rocks.

Well Regernus I guess we need to call for the mandatory divorce of probably more than 50% of the heterosexual marriages given the promiscuous nature of the men and women involved prior to saying I do. And those who are continuing to do with others what they should only be doing with their significant other.

Promiscuity has never been a reason to keep men and women from marrying, it may be reason for breaking up marriages but it is not a reason to infringe upon their legal rights to marry.

Is Regnerus a real person, or is this just some alien from outer space here to annoy the rest of the thinking American community?

This is funny in a siblimely ignorant sort of way.

What I have read is that too much pornography can lead to sexual addiction.

But I can honestly say that I’ve never heard of it leading straight men to support gay marriage.

That’s a real leap…

You really must wonder what Universe these people live in. Some of the worse parents I’ve seen have been heterosexuals. They raise children to hate and participate with their criminal cohorts. They use children to hide their own illicit dealings because children don’t get as strong of sentences when it comes to jail and prosecution.

We have some of the most monstrous human beings walking the face of the Earth that are heterosexual parents and this idiot wants to tell us why all gay and lesbian couples are bad for raising children?

Really?

I believe that good parents are going to do well regardless of whom they choose to love, but the mere fact that they are capable of loving and being a part of a healthy community is license enough to have a hand at child rearing. So many children get far less from parents these days.

Therefore, Regnerus is speaking at a NOM event.

BTW, you missed the link to Bill Keller’s piece in the Times:

“Regnerus, when I talked to him, conceded that his study compared apples and oranges, because “I didn’t have oranges.” He was unable to articulate what bearing his study had on gay marriage except that it “paints the reality of people’s lives as fairly complicated.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04.....ef=opinion

And that is different from hetero-marriage how?

and one wonders how much of that sinful premarital sex takes place at their annual conference for college students being told that premarital sex is wrong. And what sort of college student actually wants to go to an anti-sex conference??? The same students who are being forced by their parents to go to Bob Jones University or Liberty University???

But of course, many of the most vocally Christian who most loudly seek to control everyone else’s morality turn out to be the most sleaziest people around.

Maybe that explains why Rush Limbaugh never married.

Oh, wait. I was wrong. Five times over. Damn!