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Religious Right Apoplectic Over Decision on Marriage Equality

By Hatewatch Staff on June 26, 2013 - 5:04 pm, Posted in Anti-LGBT

Pedophilia. Incest. Bestiality.

Oh my! What in heaven have the Supremes wrought with their decision that it’s unconstitutional for the federal government to discriminate against legally married same-sex couples?

It’s a slippery slope, my friend. So says the rabidly homophobic Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association (AFA). “The DOMA ruling has now made the normalization of polygamy, pedophilia, incest and bestiality inevitable. Matter of time,” he tweeted, matter-of-factly.

And just to remind everyone that he obsesses endlessly about gay sex, he tweeted: “Sodomy-based marriage is an egregious violation of the ‘Laws of nature and Nature’s God.’ May God have mercy on us.”

The AFA, in fact, was out in full force, fearing the wrath of God. Today’s Supreme Court decision was the hot topic on the group’s American Family Radio. “We started our program by saying regardless of what happened today, God is still on the throne,” AFA spokesman Fred Jackson told Sandy Rios. “We cannot forget that, but there is no question that as a country … if God’s judgment has not been upon us before this, God’s judgment will be.”

Responding to that, AFA President Tim Wildmon added, “Well it’s a very sad day in our country, folks, because this is America shaking its fist at God almighty.”

Next time there’s a devastating natural disaster, we’ll all know who to blame, right? Justice Kennedy, who sided with the liberal wing in a 5-4 ruling.

Meanwhile, over at CNN, Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council (FRC), told Wolf Blitzer that it means the loss of rights for everyone else. “You’re going to see a loss of parental rights, as children are taught in school morals that are contradictory to their parents’, religious liberty loss from business owners, bakers, florists, and others who are forced to comply with a different view of marriage as well as even churches in some places, religious organizations losing their tax exemptions because they fail to comply with the force of the state in terms of redefining marriage.”

Those poor florists and bakers. You’d think more marriages would mean more orders for flowers and wedding cakes. But, hey, maybe the FRC has done a “study” on this.

Todd Starnes of Fox News also was tweeting:

“Supreme Court overrules God.”

“Won’t be long before they outlaw the Bible as hate speech.”

“How long before federal agents haul pastors out of the pulpit?”Won’t be long now.

Then there was former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee: “Jesus wept.”

Matt Barber of Liberty Counsel: “Christians, be vigilant & strong in your faith. Evil has the Truth of Christ in its cross-hairs. How much more will it persecute you?”

It goes on and on and on. Rush Limbaugh says it’s the “disintegration of America” and that “nobody in this country has ever been denied the right to get married.”

Huh?

  • Erika

    terri, okay – but if you are making a book recommendation, you only need to recommend it once :)

  • Terri

    Erika, this is not my book. I have read it quite a few times & think the (true) story is one that needs to be told, that’s all.

  • Erika

    Terri, you wouldn’t happen to be basically spamming the comments to sell your book would you?

  • Terri

    Ericka, perhaps you would like to read a true story which captures that which you have referred to in your post. Please feel free to email richmondhistory@yahoo.com for information on how to obtain a copy of “Deliver Us. . .a religious cult versus Richmond, New Hampshire.” This group has been an SPLC top 1000 hate group in America for some time now.

  • Erika

    Sam, don’t be riduculous – that is as silly as saying that while feminists object to the Christian Right’s attempts to make it illegal to use birth control, force women to have to wear “modest” dresses (because you know, if a man sees a woman wearing pants it will lead to inpure thoughts in his head), and prevent women from working outside of the home – you know, the same old women should be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen cooking for her master (oopsie, husband) that feminists instead want to move to Saudi Arabia or Iran (although since women in Saudi Arabia are able to be educated and have jobs outside of hte homes even a strict Islamic state gives women more rights than the Christian fundamentalists want to provide).

    The left opposes all religious fundamentalists – and more than anyone else understands that ultimately there is no difference between Christian Fundamentalists and Islamic Fundamentalists and for that matter Jewish Fundamentalists or Secular Fundamentalists – its not the religion which is the problem, it is the “Fundamentalism” – fundamentalists of all stripes want to impose their views into law generally on penalty of death for anyone who disagrees.

    don’t be naive Sam, if the Religious Right who comprise a very large percentage o th eRepublican voter base really got their way, homosexuality would be illegal and likely penalized by death – the Christian and Moslem Right both want to have astrict Old Testament style state including even stoning rebellious children to death (and i thought that being spanked and paddled for being a disobedient child was bad! – but speaking of corporal punishment remember that the Christian Righ parenting advice is that children as young as 2 should be spanked or even paddled to take away their “willful disobedience” – if they believe that 2 year olds are being willfully disobedient and should be spanked or even hit with a wooden paddle how old will a child have to be to be considered so willfully disobedient to be executed? How many times will they attempt to correct the wilful disobedience of a child with a paddling before a child gets killed? i am pretty sure under that system, i would have been killed before i reached the age of 10 – and quite possible long befoer i reached the age of 10).

  • Gregory

    Sam scrawls: “Left wingers are against homophobic fundamentalists, unless they are Muslims”

    I’m throwing the bullshit flag on this one, Sam. Prove it.

  • Sam Molloy

    Stephen, so true. Our polarized society has many inconsistencies. Right wingers are unwelcoming to Christian immigrants with a good work ethic. Left wingers are against homophobic fundamentalists, unless they are Muslims. Both the SPLC and the NRA waste my donation money chasing cultural issues that have nothing whatsoever to do with their stated purpose.

  • DG

    Personally, I don’t care who you marry, unless I get invited to the wedding. Government should have no role in marriage, other than its equitable dissolution. As a part of that, there should be no government financial “benefit” to being married that comes at the expense of anyone else.

  • Kiwiwriter

    The religious right is never happy with anything.

    So I am more amused by their fury than annoyed with it.

  • concernedcitizen

    “Won’t be long before they outlaw the Bible as hate speech.”

    This is so far from the truth because the stuff that comes out of these extremists mouths usually has very little to do with the Bibles and more to do with their illiterate interpretations of it.

  • http://SPLC Stephen

    Modern Christians fear sharia law, but they want exactly the same except they want to use the bible instead of the koran. Fundamentalists are the same; they don’t want Democracy, they would much prefer a Theocracy by which to govern the people.

  • Terri

    “Deliver Us. . .a religious cult versus Richmond, New Hampshire.” Available at all 3 Toadstool stores in NH, Keene, Milford, Peterborough. Also available at Hannah Grimes Marketplace in Keene. Also available at Homestead Books in Marlborough, NH. Or by emailing richmondhistory@yahoo.com The book retails for $14.95 with all proceeds going to the Richmond Historical Society. This is a well researched, well documented book about the Saint Benedict Center in Richmond, NH. The SBC always makes the top 1000 hate groups in America list!

  • Mitch Beales

    DSM 5 is out so Susan and others who fear scientific discussion among professionals can breathe a sigh of relief that “pedophilia” has not been removed although the name has been changed to “pedophilic disorder”. I believe this is important because it recognizes that adult sexual attraction toward persons who have not yet reached puberty may not constitute mental illness. Sexual advances toward such persons, on the other hand, constitute criminal behavior whether or not the perpetrator suffers from a diagnosable psychiatric disorder. It seems to me there is a pattern among ALL men , regardless of their sexual orientation, to be attracted to younger partners. Formalizing a committed relationship is likely to mitigate acting on that attraction among homosexual men just as it does among heterosexual men. The concept that pedophilia (which is not necessarily a crime) or rape is “a crime of power and domination, not sex” befuddles me. Access to sexual partners is an almost universal aspect of power and it seems to me the two are inextricably linked making such distinctions meaningless.

  • Erika

    and of course, pedophilia is having sex with prepubscent children – it is most definitely not an accurate description for an adult no matter how old wanting to have sex with an 18 year old. While it might be icky for a 45 year old to be chasing after teenagers it isn’t close in extreme ickiness to people chasing after preschoolers.

    and from the best evidence available, true pedophiles really do have a desire to have sex with very young children – that is why pedophiles are so dangerous and reviled . now, it is likely true that some people who rape children are not pedophiles, in the majority of cases it does appear that the primary motivation is a desire to have sex with children.

    To try to say that pedophilia describes anything other than people targeting young children trivializes how horrific pedophilia reall is.

  • Erika

    sam, you mean like how straight marriage has stopped straight men from attempting to have sex with many beautiful young women???

  • Larry

    Now THIS is truly a walk back in time for me.. SAME people, they CALLED themselves something else back then, but the SAME group of Humans were telling the nation this SAME thing when the Courts ruled that STATES couldn’t allow them to teach “Equal but Different” in our Schools. Just to remind some of the younger among you, “Equal but Different” was the MAUFACTURED part of the Bible that justified the right of White American’s to put Blacks in the Back of the Bus among other things. It was also used to justify the Lynching of Blacks because they didn’t stay in their Place. The more things change the more some stay the same.

  • Erika

    John, the funniest part of the freak out is that even if these Religious Right types were somehow being forced by the government to engage in a gay marriage it would be much worse for the unfortunate person assigned to be their gay spouse :P

  • Sam Molloy

    Thanks for that clarification, Rey. I know Pedophelia is a crime of power and domination, not sex. There is a pattern among gay men to be overly enfatuated with younger, legal, attractive guys. Hopefully the normalization of gay marriage will make such unhealthy and self destructive wild goose chases a thing to laugh at instead of cry over.

  • Ray Hawkins

    As Nancy Pelosi said when asked about Bachmann’s ridiculous comment on the rulings: “Who cares?” Actually, I am kinda happy to see them get their knickers in a twist, foaming at the mouth, showing their true colors to mainstream America. I don’t know that many folks around here in Kansas City who believe that “God is crying now,” “Watch out for more earthquakes in California,” (to which I can only say, “Duh. . .it’s California, dude!) or that these two decisions, one of which we have no idea how it’s going to play out and the other which grants California the right to continue what they’ve done in the past, are going to bring about the disintegration or destruction of America, much less pedophilia, bestiality, incest or polygamy, all which seem to have more heterosexual practitioners than homosexual ones, BTW.

  • http://okpkpkp@yahoo.com Kevin

    What will your Gaud Almighty do about this ruling? Not a thing. Hee hee.
    I am happy for my friends and for those who may become my friends, and I say, “It’s about time”.

  • Ellen Myers

    I too wonder, along with Erika, don’t those so-called “god-fearing” fundamentalists (please don’t call them Christians) that claim to be followers of Jesus, don’t they ever read what Jesus taught that’s found in the four Gospels??? I wonder that everytime I hear one of them say that God is going to send His judgement on this country. When some of Jesus’ disciples wanted Him to call down fire from Heaven and destroy certain people, Jesus told them that they didn’t know what spirit they were of, then He told them the parable of the wheat and the tares, in which He said that the good and the bad would be allowed to grow together until the end of the world because if they tried to destroy the bad, some of the good could be destroyed along with it. What could be any plainer than that? When natural disasters happen, aren’t both good and lousy people hurt or killed? That proves that they either don’t know the teachings of the one they claim to follow or else they’re just plain liars. I also keep wondering if the fundamentalist right-wingers are totally nuts, totally evil, or both. They don’t have a problem with greed and not helping other people, which the Bible is very much against but it when it comes to the “sin” (according to them) of homsexuality, their brains seem to have some kind of a fit. Why does it bother them so much?

  • What?

    It is such a disaster! Maybe the right wing nut jobs will do us all a favor and brake out the poison laced cool aide?

  • Roger B.

    Bryan Fischer truly is an extremely mentally disturbed man.

  • John

    Please ……. If you object about gay marriage ……. then just don’t have one. Don’t be so arrogant as to feel you can deny others of their choices.

  • Reynardine

    Susan, although I don’t know what you’re on about, some forms of criminal behavior have been barred or removed from classification as mental disorders exactly so they couldn’t be used (at least in Durham jurisdictions) as a psychiatric defense.

  • Bernadette

    Hey Erika,
    You said “. . .some even claim they want to bring back Old Testament law – and since the Old Testament rules of marriage are basically a male surpremacists fantasy where men are allowed to play around with prostitutes and have multiple wives but women’s sexuality is tightly controlled and is the property of men – and women have no rights and literally could even be killed if they were raped or their husband is not satisfied with them in any way – maybe they actually have read their Bibles after all and they know exactly what Biblical marriage is and what they really want is total male domination :P”
    Of course, they don’t have to bring back Old Testament law to live this way. All they have to do is move to a Middle Eastern country of their choice were this is the law of the land!

  • Erika

    okay, i’ve read the opinion now and as i kind of suspected the dissent fails to give any argument at all that DOMA was in fact a Constitutional law – and seems to have completely ignored that the law was designed to discriminate against certain people (or if one prefers elevate one type of relationship above others).

    indeed the dissents seem downright silly by saying that the matter – one which even the dissents admit is traditionally a matter of state law – should be deciced by the people or the legislature – ignoring that in some states people have decided – and then saying “no, not those people in the state Congress gets to decide”) – even sillier since those same Justices have struck down all sorts of laws (or would strike down all sorts of laws – such as the PPACA – popularly known as Obamacare). In fact, they say that Congress had authority to pass DOMA without pointing to exactly what enumerated power gives Congress the power to define marriage (ironically within a week after saying that those same justices said that it is required to point to some sort of Congressional power).

    In fact, it seems like according to the dissent, that Congress can now pass whatever sort of law they want to (providing that there is no specific Constitutional prohibition against it) and its okay (and indeed courts should defer). And of course, they don’t believe it – why Scalia and Thomas were just the other day claiming that SORNA was unconstitutional because there was no specific provision in the Constitution to authorize Congress to require sex offender registration.

    Strange people these Scalia and Thomas – Congress cannot require peopel convicted in military courts to register as a sex offender – but apparently Congress can tell you who you can marry. That is what they mean by limited government.

    at least the religious right people are honest enouhg to simply admit that they find gay people icky and believe that if gay marriage is allowed, God will cast America into a Lake of Fire like it was a Chick Tract.

  • Susan

    from http://www.b4uact.org/science/.....s.htm#crit

    “Each speaker at the symposium has selected a paper to be suggested for background reading related to his or her presentation. Please see the Symposium Program for those references. This page provides a selection of additional references that may be helpful to people who want to delve deeper into the issues and controversies of pedophilia, minor-attracted persons, and the DSM. This is only a small selection. For yet deeper research, see the bibliographies listed below.
    Contents

    Official Publications of the APA and the WHO
    Publications of DSM-5 Paraphilias Subworkgroup Members
    Independent Support for DSM-5 Proposed Revision
    Criticism of DSM-5 Proposed Revision
    From B4U-ACT
    Popular Press on the DSM-5
    Bibliographies

  • Susan

    removing pedophilia from the APA Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders has been in the works for at least a decade. So check out this site for http://www.b4uact.org/news/20110817.htm. – the actual website dedicated to promoting ‘B4U-ACT’ in getting pedophilia removed from the list. Or just google it, and check out the conventions that have been held since 2003 in which the APA was invited and some reps have attended.

  • J Charles Ferrari

    “Jesus wept” with joy because justice narrowly prevailed and there is a little less hate in the world.

  • Georgia Citizen

    Also. I failed to mention that we need to force our local governments to grant same sex couples benefits like their heterosexual couples.

  • Mitch Beales

    The verse right after “Jesus Wept.” Is “Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!” There have been enough tears shed over loving someone of the same sex. Let the joy begin!

    If there is indeed a merciful god she will surely smite these hate mongers who so despise love.

  • Sam Molloy

    In most ancient cities homosexuality was a part of life. Sodom and Gomorrah was a prosperous area, and there was a law against taking in strangers. It was thought that a reputation for kindness would attract all sorts of worthless vagrants. The townspeople wanted to forcibly rape Lot’s house guests to punish Lot for violatng that rule. Gender had nothing to do with the story. For today’s Religious types to try and enforce their personal traditions on everyone, and punish people who they consider unusual by withholding legal benefits to them, makes the Religious Right the Sodomites in this current story.

  • Reynardine

    Well, Erika, that is true. Wealthy men, in our society traditionally white ones, have effectively been able to have all of the privileges of polygyny with few of the obligations: through prostitution, back street women, and institutions like plaçage. I personally knew a descendant of Jefferson Davis and his quadroon placée, and you could not only see the facial resemblance to her notorious ancestor, she was whack nuts, too. Quite a few such men also kept pretty boys on the side, and the incidence of congressional page harassment indicates the practice hasn’t stopped. It’s not “debauchery” by any definition that they object to. It’s equality.

  • Georgia Citizen

    I am glad that our U.S. Supreme Court has struck down DOMA and voted 5-4 to legalize sex same marriages. The naysayers are of course jumping up and down over their outrages over the rullings by the US Supreme Court.
    As much this is a great dcision. It is time to worry about more crimes committed against those in the LGBT community. Hatemongers won’t rest til achiecve their goal.
    We must sttart at the local community and forcing our local governments.

  • Erika

    i haven’t gotten the opportunity to actually read the opinion yet, but i have having a hard time seeing how anyone would be able to give any argument at all that DOMA is actually Constitutional* since it was passed for the sole purpose to discriminate against people [and it also seems to be a blatant violation of the "full faith and credit" clause and a significant incursion into an area [marriage] that the Tenth Amendment appears to reserve to the states – in picking one particular religious belief to enshrine into law (some religions are perfectly fine with gay marriage) it also seems to have some real establishment clause problems] – of course, not that would stop Justice Scalia who is such a model of judicial arrogance that he actually has admitted in Lucas v. South Carolina Coastal Commission that if there is no actual support in the Constitution or law to reach the verdict he wants, he just does it anyway because he is sure if presented with that case the Founding Fathers would agree with him.

    and of course, another irony is just the other day many of these same right wingers were celebrating Justice Kennedy just the other day for delivering yet another victory for Big Business like severely limiting Title VII law suits or do something else that the far right loves like say strike down the Voting Rights Act.

    And of course, the fact that the Religious Right can try to claim that this is undermining Biblical Marriage and claim that this ruling will lead to Polygamy*** is pretty hilarious. Seriously, do these religious right people ever actually you know, like read the Bible???

    and don’t these religious right types seem a little, you know, like too obsessed with gay sex??? its quite possible that there is a connection with the number of religious right types who have been caught going to gay bars or with gay lovers.

    and what is this right wing obsession with bestiality all about – do these people all secretly want to marry their dogs or something??? seriously, these guys [and note that they are all almost all guys] seem to be rather obsessed with having sex with animals.

    and finally, i love the this violates “free enterprise” argument – that businesses will be forced to have to provide business to gay people – the exact same argument which people made against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 [even though some of these same people try to argue that that law was not needed because businesses would voluntarily serve black people - those people obviously never had to try to drive from Los Angeles to Miami as a black person in 1950]. and of course, anyone who expects the right wing to be at all consistent is even more foolish than they are.

    and i’m not sure that there is really anything which is forcing a florist or a bakery to sell to anyone – whether gay or straight since businesses generally have the right to refuse to serve anyone [unless you can show a consistent pattern of discrimination] – but even if a florist or bakery feels really strongly against gay marriage there is also absolutely nothing requiring that you tell the baker the wedding cake is for a gay wedding. it really makes you wonder if these people actually live in the real world

    * i seriously think that the best argument in favor of preserving DOMA was the one from the Westboro Baptist Church’s crazy amicus brief that striking down DOMA will lead to some sort of Old Testament type plagues and destruction of America [be on the lookout from raining frogs] because it was the perfect illustration of how it was really impossible to come up with any rational argument in favor of DOMA

    ** in all seriousness, i do not see any compelling governmental justification to ban plural marriages providing that they are between consenting adults. i also do not see any possible reason why anyone would want to engage in a plural marriage. and its quite possible that the government would be able to say that the past association between polygamy and extreme sexism, forced marriage often between older men and young girls, and childhood sexual abuse is sufficient to justify a continued ban.

    *** what about polyamory??? seriously, they only talk about polygamy and like beastiality seem rather obsessed with the subject. i kind of get the impression that deep down the Religious Right secrety wants to be able to have multiple wives/concumbines – who are all basically slaves with no rights of their own – after all, the marriages were all arrange marriages and the woman was giving the highly appealling choice of marrying whoever they were forced to marry or be stoned [or sometimes burned depending upon the circumstances] to death [if i was given a choice of being forced to marry any of these religious right loons or be killed, i would definitely choose the stoning or burning to death option]. Especially since they constantly claim they want to have Biblical marriage – and some even claim they want to bring back Old Testament law – and since the Old Testament rules of marriage are basically a male surpremacists fantasy where men are allowed to play around with prostitutes and have multiple wives but women’s sexuality is tightly controlled and is the property of men – and women have no rights and literally could even be killed if they were raped or their husband is not satisfied with them in any way – maybe they actually have read their Bibles after all and they know exactly what Biblical marriage is and what they really want is total male domination :P

  • http://ipreferpeace.wordpress.com Madelyn B

    Having grown up in a conservative Christian home, I now cringe to see how conservative America treats minorities, women, and the LGBT community. My first thought now, when hearing these sorts of cries, is that Sweden is doing quite well, thank you, and they’ve allowed the secularization of society long before we over in the USA had even considerd it.

  • Aron

    No one has been denied the right to get married OPPOSITE SEXES which is a total weasel phrase.

    I was incredibly pleased this morning, even more so when FOX was apparently completely ignoring the results and talking about the President’s poll numbers.

    As I wrote last night regarding Senator-Elect Markey’s victory: ‘Hooray for our side!’

  • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com David Cary Hart

    My summary:

    With California;

    30.24% of US citizens live in an equal marriage state.

    0% of US citizens can claim that their traditional marriage has been affected by marriage equality.
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    The nut jobs wore me out today. I have blogged less than 10% of the craziness today. You’d think that their puppies got run over by trucks.