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Oath Keepers Pushing Oregonians to Resist Gov’t Concentration Camps

By David Neiwert on October 18, 2013 - 12:15 pm, Posted in Antigovernment, Extremist Propaganda, Patriot Groups

A statewide organization of conspiracy-peddling Oath Keepers has been gaining traction in small-town Oregon by convincing a series of county-level officials that they need to speak out against the enactment of the National Defense Authorization Act by passing official resolutions defending the constitutional rights of their citizens.

Among the concerns that these county officials cite is the alleged threat, raised by the Oath Keeper activists who promote these resolutions, that federal authorities are planning to round up American citizens and incarcerate them in concentration camps.

 

The resolution passed by the Klamath County board of commissioners on Sept. 24, for example, warned that “Whereas Klamath County is not a ‘battlefield’ subject to the ‘laws of war’,” the county commission was declaring that “it is unconstitutional, and therefore unlawful for any person to … arrest or capture any person in Klamath County, or citizen of Klamath County within the United States, with the intent of ‘detention under the law of war’ … or subject any person to targeted killing in Klamath County.”

Most of these resolutions are the handiwork of Tom McKirgan, who heads up the Oregon chapter of the Oath Keepers from his home in rural Coquille. He first convinced the Coos County commissioners – after months of activism – to pass a resolution in late July opposing the NDAA because of its supposed violations of the Fourth Amendment’s requirements for due process. (The national Oath Keepers organization also promotes NDAA-related conspiracy theories on its website.)

McKirgan has been working in tandem with activists from the state chapter of People against the National Defense Authorization Act (PANDAA) to promote the resolutions. And while PANDAA’s portion of the presentations have remained within the realm of the rational concerns about civil liberties related to the bill, when the Oath Keepers have spoken up, it has veered into the wildly conspiratorial.

Among the dire warnings these commissioners heard during the process were allusions to the Oath Keepers’ oft-stated belief that the NDAA creates the legal pretext for federal authorities to begin rounding up right-wing citizens and placing them in concentration camps, or that they might begin labeling Tea Party leaders “enemy combatants” and start assassinating them. At times – particularly in Klamath County – it seemed some of the commissioners shared those fears.

The same warning showed up on the Oath Keepers website in a discussion of the Oregon successes around the NDAA issue. A commenter named “D. Bertrand” explained: “One reason for the NDAA, (or maybe two reasons) is because, at some point in the near future, a massive round-up of any particular group and/or activists/journalists, would be so many that DUE PROCESS would be virtually impossible and would clog the legal system. The other reason would be … These massive arrests would be un-constitutional without legal probable cause, and a violation of 1st and 4th amendment rights, therefore….they will just go for it !!”

“Bertrand” then explained that, out of eight levels needed to reach that dire stage, “we are currently at Level Five,” adding: “Unfortunately, most Americans slept through Levels One thru Four and the NDAA is creeping through the back-door. Oregon Oath Keepers, and California, are going head to head with the NDAA. If when the NDAA goes live…that means WE ARE IN A WAR.”

McKirgan has weighed in on local issues in the Coos County area with a similarly conspiratorial perspective. When local night-sky watchers in the coastal town of Bandon promoted an ordinance to regulate residents’ lighting, he warned in a letter to the editor: “This is another avenue exploited by the [U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service] to greatly expand their ulterior motive of turning the entire Coquille Valley into a massive mosquito bog unfit for human habitation.”

At an Oath Keepers gathering in Reedsport, he warned: “We are living under a soft form of martial law.” He also dismissed President Obama’s authority: “Obama is not a president,” he said. “He is nothing but a communist trying to usurp his power and bring us under the United Nations banner.”

“We’re trying to nullify, actually the Constitution nullifies it, we’re trying to reject and repeal section 1021 and 1022,” McKirgan told the Reedsport City Council. “Oath Keepers is not a militia. We are an organization of education. We reach, teach and inspire others to follow the oaths of office that they swore to uphold the Constitution. This is an unconstitutional act that places America on the battlefield, where everybody inside that battlefield are subject to the rules of military law.”

However, both the Reedsport and the Coos Bay city councils did turn him away in his efforts to get them to similarly endorse his conspiracy theories. But McKirgan has turned his sights to other precincts, with Douglas County next on his list, he says. And he promised: “We have other counties in our cross hairs.”

In the meantime, the Oath Keepers may not yet be calling their operations militias, but they are functionally becoming one: President/founder Stewart Rhodes recently announced that Oath Keepers were “going operational” with the formation of “Civilization Preservation Teams.” Last week, the organization announced it was forming an “honor guard” at the nation’s war memorials to prevent their closures during the government shutdown.

  • Gregory

    8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control.”

    And Larry calls us paranoid. Our resident Bircher might find him credible, most will find this to be somewhat comical.

  • Larry

    Here is a question for you…

    Do you think it is unlikely that one or more of your beloved alphabet agencies hasn’t ponied up a measly $40 to spy on us? If we were indeed planning to overthrow the government, or whatever else you paranoid people dream up about us, that you would not get the chance to post a story here about how your government thugs and spies thwarted the evil Oath Keepers in their terroristic plots?

    Do you really think that we could be planning all these heinous things on our private forums, and no one would have been arrested by now?

    There is a reason this has not happened. Because there is no secret plot. There is no tolerance given to violence, insurrection, racism, etc.

  • Larry

    So now you are somehow “above” winning or losing, and I’m an “animal.” You sure argue like someone who can’t stand losing. Your choice to dehumanize your adversary by calling him an “animal” is a classic tactic of warmongering propagandists.

    As for who is uncivilized and condonging violence, I have already explained that I am a voluntaryist libertarian. You, on the other hand, are statist to the core. You believe that a small segment of society should be empowered to commit acts that would be criminal if anyone else did them. You whole-heartedly affirm the “right” of a ruling class to extort the wealth of everyone else under threat of violence.

    So who is the “animal” now?

    It is also worth noting that many of your heroes, like MLK (mine too), carried a gun, and was surrounded by men carrying guns for his protection. Your beloved Messiah In Chief (NOT my hero, obviously) is surrounded by the most highly trained and proficient KILLERS on the planet.

    Is he an animal too?

    I also read an article today that several human rights groups are calling your messiah a war criminal for his drone attacks (on countries we never declared war on, but who cares about that dumb Constitution anyway).

    Why are radicals attracted to Oath Keepers? I already explained that, but you ignored it. We ARE a political organization. We want to see America return to the republic our founders intended: one with a small, weak central government with specifically enumerated powers delegated to it by the states.

    Sadly, this ideal that was once revolutionary and radical is STILL revolutionary and radical. We have a central government that does whatever the hell it wants to. Rather than each and every oath-sworn official considering the constitutionality of their actions, they simply do what they want, and somehow it’s not “unconsitutional” until SCOTUS gets around to ruling it so.

    Or as long as they put the magic words, “Interstate Commerce” in the legislation, the 10th Amendment doesn’t matter. (If you have to SAY “interstate commerce,” chances are very good that the bill is NOT actually about interstate commerce. It has become the “mother may I” of federal overreach).

    “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violentrevolution inevitable.” We have a government that is completely owned and operated by wealthy special interests. The largest contributors to BOTH political parties in the last two elections was the banking industry. Was there any surprise in 2008 when they got their bailout in spite of the overwhelming opposition of the populace? People who had never before bothered to contact their so-called “representatives” contacted them in droves to say, “NO!”

    People are frustrated. They want REAL change. They want REAL limitations on government size and power. They are silenced, marginalized, ignored, mocked… They are called “potential terrorists” by statist propagandists like SPLC. Are you really so surprised that some of them are pissed off?

    The reason I, and the rest of Oath Keepers, support and defend the Constitution is because it is our only hope of peaceful change. Hope that is quickly dwindling as more and more of our rights are eroded. We will continue to support peaceful change by constitutional means as long as it is still possible to do so. We will continue to tell anyone who is intent on violence to go elsewhere. It is clearly stated in our bylaws, and STRICTLY enforced with zero tolerance.

    You will undoubtedly come back and say, “Nuh-uh! I saw anonymous idiots post on your webpage!” I honestly wish they would just disable the comments there altogether, so we could be free of this albatross. But that’s not my decision. I know how our official forums operate and how discipline is handled within our actual membership. You will probably continue to call me a liar in this regard. You have the means of finding out for yourself, but you will probably remain content to make accusations rather than allow yourself to be proven wrong.

    Yeah… You have “trancended” winning and losing. Uh huh. Now who is lying?

  • Aron

    I’m with Aadila. Unlike Tailgunner Joe, I respect your right to your beliefs. But why should I put my hard-earned money toward an organization with which I disagree?

    I attempted to speak to Stewart Rhodes, but he simply brushed me off. We have plenty of evidence that the Okie Dokes are up to nefarious purposes. And we have presented

    All you have given us is hearsay.

    Also, I liked how you called me ‘cheap’ and ‘cowardly.’ Way to engender support, pal.

  • aadila

    If the Oath Keepers are not about the animal mind of violence, what is up with the black flag with a death’s head saying Molon Labe, Traitors!, crossed with machine guns, as part of the “Oath Keepers” gear for sale on the upper right hand side of the homepage? Is there some message there besides violence and death and we’ll kill anybody who sees it differently? What exactly is the difference between that and the Somalian warlords?

    You gotta admit Larry, when you start touting deaths heads as your symbol it does undermine everything your claim you’re about.

  • aadila

    Larry,

    I have no interest in proving you wrong. This whole defeat and victory nonsense is the unthinking mind of the animal. It’s not that I don’t get it. It’s that I have transcended it. I have followed it to its inevitable conclusions and sourced out the root of this way of thinking and found it is empty of any meaning whatsover except violence. You cannot understand it because you have not transcended it. You still are using the mind of an animal. If you wish to live that way, go right ahead.

    But what I am trying to get you to see in this protracted debate is that your organization feeds the mind of violence. It feeds the animal mind, because it is fed by the animal mind.

    It is a perpetual cycle of violence and animal nature that can only lead to death. It starts there and ends there. And if you decide there might be another way, there could be a way. If you decide there is no other way, there can not be other way. There is nothing to convince you about. It is your choice.

    Any pack animal can attack when it is threatened. It takes a human being to understand there is a different way. Are you a human being or an animal? This is a choice we all can make. No one can make this choice for you.

    So I am again asking you to think. Why do so many people with extreme and violent views keep coming to your organization, even though you claim to turn them away? They keep coming back. They are always around you. They are drawn to the Oath Keepers by something very basic to the nature of the Oath Keepers.

    What is it, Larry?

  • Larry

    Aron,

    The burden of proof is on the ACCUSERS. YOU fear-mongering McCarthyists are the ones making accusations of racism etc. against Oath Keepers.

    You have cited anonymous internet posts as “evidence.” I said they are not members, and that members who embrace racism, etc. are removed, in accord with our published bylaws – which you also choose to ignore.

    You insist that I must somehow prove to you that our moderated, members-only, private forum disallows this sort of stupidity. Sorry. YOU are the accuser, provide your own “proof.” I told you how you could easily collect the damning proof you so fervently believe MUST exist.

    You are either too cheap or too cowardly to do it. What you are REALLY afraid of is that you will discover that what I’m telling you is TRUE. That we DO ban people from our organization who break our bylaws.

  • Aron

    Tell you what, Larry: you provide us access and we won’t pay for it. The burden of proof is on YOU, not US.

    Until you clean up your public act, I don’t believe you when you talk about your private act.

    Also, I was involved with the Jaycees for a while. They very much seek an economic structure that you are searching for. And here’s the thing: they don’t attract miscreants and militiamen!

    You can go on and on and on and on about what good people you are, but until we stop seeing bad people associated with you, even if they’ve been booted out, you will simply be seen as the JBS on steroids.

  • Andrew

    So the Oath Keepers continue to wonder why their organization draws the attention of the SPLC. Well maybe they should look through their own comment section on their website and they might find the answer. The regulars post despicable comments about immigrants from Central and South America. They have a dislike for Muslims. They seem to think that their fringe interpretation of the Constitution somehow gives them the authority to kill public officials. And that is just scratching the surface.

    At lease these people are making the storable food companies, gold coin dealers, and gun retailers a tone of money.

  • Larry

    aadila,

    Here is the answer I gave to the question, “why is OK so different from the Lions club etc.? Why does it attract extremists?”

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    None of those organizations are trying to bring about change. They are a celebration of the status-quo. Their purpose is to pat themselves on the back for being such fine citizens. To find new golf partners and set up tee times. To shmooze one another for business leads.

    Oath Keepers is NOT a “social organization.” We never claimed it was. We are a non-partisan political organization.

    And just like you guys can’t seem to figure out – in spite of reading pages like our “What we are NOT” page, these people keep coming along and trying to change what we are. They are not satisfied that we are NOT trying to overthrow the government. They tell us all the time how we aren’t “doing anything” because we will not support their desire for violence.

    And yeah… You’re just going to have to take our word for it. Or, you could go ahead (if you haven’t already) join up, pay your dues, and get on our forums and see it first hand. We boot people out all the time.

    Look up Kokesh’s video where he cuts up his expired Oath Keepers membership card. Look up some of the nasty things Kessler has said about us. All because we did NOT support their crazy ideas of marching on DC with guns.
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    It will only cost you $40 to collect ALL the super-secret info you want on our national forums. You can witness firsthand how quickly people get booted for embracing the ideas you continually accuse us of embracing.

    Or just keep believing whatever you want, since that’s what you would rather do anyway.

    Prove me wrong. I dare you.

  • Larry

    “Finally, despite protestations to the contrary, this organization is not apolitical. Yet we are assured that they are a benign presence in the body politic by a host of sock puppets who are repeating the same threadbare assertions that some of us remember from 20 years ago. Like they say, everything old is new again.”
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    We never said we were “apoltical.” We are NON-PARTISAN.

  • Gregory

    A few points bear repeating, as OK comment threads are often flooded with sock puppets repeating previously debunked statements.

    First, OaKies would have us believe that their NWO conspiracy theories are somehow original, rather than the same load of shite that we heard from the black helicopter crowd in the mid-90s. That, oddly enough, corresponds to the last time the White House was occupied by a Democrat.

    That “coincidence” should surprise no one, since Stewart Rhodes was an aide to Ron Paul. Paul was a staple on the militia lecture circuit, sounding the alarm of imminent race wars, firearms confiscation, foreign peacekeepers on US soil, mass internment of US citizens in concentration camps and, of course, unmarked black helicopters engaged in nefarious activities. To best capture the mood of the time, my previous run-on sentence should be read uttered with breathless urgency.

    Rhodes merely inherited his tropes from Paul. The rotten apple did not fall far from the stunted tree.

    All of this relates to the second point and that is the Constitution. Despite the fact that most of them know even less about that document than Sam, they still proclaim that their interpretation is correct and pure, evidence and jurisprudence be damned. They seek legitimacy by claiming to merely be protectors of the Cawn-stee-two-shun, their anti-government stance runs counter to the ideals of their holy document and borders on sedition.

    Since WWII, members of the Armed Forces have been instructed that they have an obligation to disobey illegal orders, generally understood to mean an order that violates military or civil law, or internationally accepted laws of war. However, any OK on active duty who refuses an order on Constitutional grounds are likely to be surprised by the outcome of their court-martial. He will find that Leavenworth is full of barracks lawyers.

    Finally, despite protestations to the contrary, this organization is not apolitical. Yet we are assured that they are a benign presence in the body politic by a host of sock puppets who are repeating the same threadbare assertions that some of us remember from 20 years ago. Like they say, everything old is new again.

  • aadila

    You better hurry, Larry. The black helicopters are coming.

  • aadila

    Larry,

    See there you go again. You did not answer the question, you skirted it. And it was not a strawman, I actually posted about 20 different comments from the supporters of the Oath Keepers, the same ones being cheered on by Rhodes and the lesser minds who surround him. This is empirical evidence of extremism. And yet you deny it.

    Why are these people coming to your group? They could go anywhere. Let’s suppose you’re right and they are not welcome — which I doubt, and have shown amply that in fact they are the grassroots of your organization. They are the white guts of your organization in fact. But let’s pretend they are not welcome, just to humor you.

    That still does not answer why they are flocking to you with their anti-government, anti-immigrant, racist, paranoid insurrectionist ideas. The fact that time and time again you fail to answer that suggests you see no connection, but obviously THEY do. And so does everybody else. It’s not the mere fact that they are disgruntled, as you seem to suggest. They don’t come here, for example. They don’t go to the ADL or the ACLU.

    There is something specific which they identify as being very close to their own extremist, violent, racist, right wing ideology. Enough that they look to Rhodes as some kind of messiah. Can you tell us what that is, exactly?

    Answer the question.

  • aadila

    Here is another question for Elias Alias:

    Just out of curiosity, since the Oath Keepers are the defenders of Western Civilization, who do you feel was a greater contributor to the development of calculus: Herr Doktor Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz or Sir Isaac Newton? Exactly what provisions do your civilization protection teams intend to put in place to address this controversy, once civilization as we know it is overrun?

    Thanks!

  • Larry

    I answered your question above. You’ll actually have to READ it, rather than just compose your next absurd strawman rant.

  • Aron

    And Larry, you may ‘disown’ them as soon as they become unruly, but why are you attracting these nefarious types in the first place?

    Plus, you want me to PAY to see proof that you aren’t plotting against the government? That’s not how it works, chump.

  • Aron

    Yo ho yo ho, it’s a pirate’s life fer me!

  • aadila

    Erika haven’t you heard? Now the Oath Keepers are saying black helicopters were seen around the secret spot where Walt Disney’s brain is being held and we can’t say it here because of federal moles everywhere, but before I go off the grid, the image was shown briefly on Alan Keyes’ website before being hastily taken down, but the gist of it is that it will be no use trying to revive it to implement Agenda 21 because the Drudge Report now has it that Walt Disney drank too much flouridated water in a FEMA camp and the microchip they planned to put in the brain just won’t work.

  • aadila

    “It was Captain Strawman aadila who I said was a waste of my time.”

    I am aadila and I approve of this comment. Since you cannot possibly win this debate, I must agree it is a waste of your time. But you still haven’t answered the question. If the Oath Keepers are not giving aid and comfort to the enemies of America, why do they keep hovering around your hive?

  • Erika

    aron, don’t be naive – as soon as Obama gives the word to the preserved brain of Walt Disney in immediate summit with Adolf Hitler (who is actually still alive and living at Disney’s secret base inside the hole in the South Pole) Operation Mirror Mirror will go into effect transforming Walt Disney World into the Happiest Detention Camp on Earth (TM) to hold thousands of beautiful but highly suspicious princesses under the ruthless hands of the Evil Queen from Snow White, Cindarella’s Step Mother and sisters, and the hunter who shot Bambi’s mom.

    of course, not being a princess you have nothing to worry about that nefarious plan , but i’m terrified of the possibility of being assigned to Camp Pirates of the Caribbean because it like totally terrifed me when i was two ;)

  • CM

    This whole thing is a lot like the TP’ers who were absolutely sure that the Affordable Care Act included requirements that people have microchips implanted in their brains. It was sheer fantasy.

    According to the actual text of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, it is “An Act To authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2012 for military activities of the Department of Defense,” etc. So while calling it an appropriations act is perfectly accurate.

    Section 1021 appears to be the part that has the right wing all lathered up, as Rand Paul introduced a bill to repeal it and Jeff Landrey of Louisiana introduced another to specify that U.S. citizens can’t be detained under Section 1021′s provisions. (Both of those bills were relegated to a lingering death in committee.)

    However, anyone who bothers to read the bill text will find that all of the references to detention are about the treatment of people captured outside of the U.S. who are members of al-Qaida or affiliated organizations, or who are already detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Period, end of story. Nothing whatsoever about rounding up people inside the U.S., nothing about building detention centers or concentration camps here.

    It might be regarded as a sign of the TP’ers and OK’ers ignorance of the workings of government that they became so focused on the NDAA for 2012, when in fact there is an NDAA *every year*. Moreover, the 2012 and 2013 versions have both already been passed by Congress. It’s past time to move on.

    Finally, for the eighty-nine billionth time, “democracy” vs. “republic” is a distinction without a difference. Here are the Oxford English Dictionary definitions:

    democracy: a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives

    republic: a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch

    So get over yourself, Robert.

  • Larry

    “And as Aadila has asked so many times before, if you are nothing but a ‘social organization,’ much like Rotary or the Lions or Elks, why do you attract such a large contingent of unsavory characters? I don’t see the Masons or the Loyal Order of Water Buffalo dealing with this issue.

    Even Stewart Rhodes refused to answer this question when I asked him last spring.”
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    Here is your answer:

    None of those organizations are trying to bring about change. They are a celebration of the status-quo. Their purpose is to pat themselves on the back for being such fine citizens. To find new golf partners and set up tee times. To shmooze one another for business leads.

    Oath Keepers is NOT a “social organization.” We never claimed it was. We are a non-partisan political organization.

    And just like you guys can’t seem to figure out – in spite of reading pages like our “What we are NOT” page, these people keep coming along and trying to change what we are. They are not satisfied that we are NOT trying to overthrow the government. They tell us all the time how we aren’t “doing anything” because we will not support their desire for violence.

    And yeah… You’re just going to have to take our word for it. Or, you could go ahead (if you haven’t already) join up, pay your dues, and get on our forums and see it first hand. We boot people out all the time.

    Look up Kokesh’s video where he cuts up his expired Oath Keepers membership card. Look up some of the nasty things Kessler has said about us. All because we did NOT support their crazy ideas of marching on DC with guns.

    Aron,

    It was Captain Strawman aadila who I said was a waste of my time.

    ***********************************************
    Hey Larry, why aren’t you complaining about the concertina wire outside construction sites? That is exactly what that trailer is for, you dunce.

    And those towers are for crowd control and security. The first place I ever saw them was at Disney World. Hardly what you would call a ‘concentration camp.’
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    They are just tools. Just like guns are tools. How one decides to use them makes ALL the difference. I just showed those videos to demonstrate just how easy it would be to create a prison.

  • aadila

    Aron,

    Various minions have addressed it through the following fallacies:

    1) The extremists are not really extremists but merely a product of the fevered imagination of left wing do-gooders.
    2) The extremists actually are extremists, but the Oath Keepers has no way to control them from supporting the group and donating.
    3) The “real” Oath Keepers are a members-only group who exclude extremists as soon as they are found, and you’ll just have to take their word for it they really don’t have any extremists. Honest.
    4) The issue of extremism is really just a distraction from the more important thing, which are the REAL issues such as yadda yadda…

    My guess is the great bug brain is probably still sorting out all the data coming in from the minions, so perhaps in time, it will articulate a response to this question and all stream forth from the hive in unison with this bugsong.

  • Aron

    Hey Larry, why aren’t you complaining about the concertina wire outside construction sites? That is exactly what that trailer is for, you dunce.

    And those towers are for crowd control and security. The first place I ever saw them was at Disney World. Hardly what you would call a ‘concentration camp.’

  • Aron

    Larry, I thought we were wasting your precious time?

    And just because the leader wrote the paper in 2006, and decided to form the organization in 2009 does not deny the racist overtones. Why didn’t he form the organization in 2007? Or 2008? Hell, even in 2006!

    And as Aadila has asked so many times before, if you are nothing but a ‘social organization,’ much like Rotary or the Lions or Elks, why do you attract such a large contingent of unsavory characters? I don’t see the Masons or the Loyal Order of Water Buffalo dealing with this issue.

    Even Stewart Rhodes refused to answer this question when I asked him last spring.

    (You would also attract more followers if you dropped the crazy conspiracy-theory bunkem and came back to reality. I’m talking to you, Franklin ‘Elias Alias’ Shook.)

  • Larry

    “Yes, Elias Alias, we know all about it. The only problem is that anyone with a sixth grade education could pick up a newspaper during that administration and read how George W Bush was obliterating civil liberties in America, so it hardly speaks to Mr. Rhodes’ much vaunted intellectualism. If I had a dollar for every deluded Ivy League wastoid I know I could pave a road to China with fiat currency. So funny how education is not “elitism” when it happens to coincide with your views.”

    Yes, you know all about it. But then you insist that Oath Keepers is nothing but white GOP who are angry because Obama is black. Rhodes wrote that paper when there was a white republican in office. And you know all about it.

    When presented with facts that do not fit your pre-concieved idea of what Oath Keepers is about, you deliberately ignore those facts, but say “we know all about it.”

    You are a world-class hyporcite.

  • Larry

    All you need to make a “concentration camp” is a couple of these:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVQRMrlQ95U

    And some of these:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBnWHBZDItg

    Back in the day, we used to have string that stuff the old fashioned way. THAT was loads of fun, let me tell you.

  • aadila

    “Rhodes wrote an award-winning paper at Yale Law School entitled: “Solving The Puzzle of Enemy Combatant Status”, which studied the implications of centralized governments’ tendency to suppress civil disobedience, stifle dissent, and chill free speech. What we find in the NDAA-2012 is exactly the subject Stewart Rhodes wrote that paper about years before. ”

    Yes, Elias Alias, we know all about it. The only problem is that anyone with a sixth grade education could pick up a newspaper during that administration and read how George W Bush was obliterating civil liberties in America, so it hardly speaks to Mr. Rhodes’ much vaunted intellectualism. If I had a dollar for every deluded Ivy League wastoid I know I could pave a road to China with fiat currency. So funny how education is not “elitism” when it happens to coincide with your views.

  • Gregory

    Once again, the Oath Keepers were formed in March, 2009, not when Rhodes wrote his paper.

  • Aron

    It looks like the Folk Creeper troll patrol has decided to come and play. This should be fun.

    President Obama is NOT arming Al Qaeda. He sent NON-DESTRUCTIVE materiél to very carefully selected groups. The purpose of that aid? To counter chemical attacks.

    Impeach him!

  • Jim

    Why do people not take the possibility of federal concentration camps seriously? Ask Japanese Americans if federal concentration camps are a laughing matter. Korematsu v US (1944) is still in force and still the law of the land and still grants the federal government power to round people up and dump them in concentration camps. And that’s nothing compared to the NDAA. Is indefinite detention a big giggle? I don’t get people thinking that it can’t happen here when it’s already happened here.

  • Larry

    Here you go:

    http://jpfo.org/pdf/sr-enemy.pdf

    Stewart Rhodes wrote this award-winning paper during the Bush years criticizing the potential abuses of “enemy combatant” status. Bush claimed these abusive powers long before they were codified by congress in the 2012 NDAA.

    Anyone who thinks that these “enemy combatant” status polices do not erode the 4th and 5th amendments, has clearly never read the 4th and 5th amendments.

    I’m not sure why THIS is a newsworthy story when one of your beloved statists, Jerry Brown signed a bill into law in California nullifying the indefinite detention provisions of the 2012 NDAA. Is he a paranoid nutjob making things up too? Does he get to be smeared along with Oath Keepers for acknowledging the existence of these horrible “laws?”

    No… A democratic governor who once ran for president realizing the potential dangers of “enemy combatant” status does not fit your preferred narrative.

  • Raphaelle

    WOW. The ignorance and HATE on this page is stupifying! The author of this article along with the few comments from the peanut gallery are grossly overlooking a great many facts on not only the subject, but history, as well. Not only had the NDAA almost been successful in indefinitely detaining an American journalist for exercising her first amendment right (look up Alexa O’Brien), but tyranny in unchecked government is a consistant matter of history, which is why our for fathers gave us the Constitution, in the first place! But forget that, and attack those defending it. Fools! Before you call me a racist, know that i voted for Obama (before he became a traitor who broke his oath of office,with passage of NDAA!!) because i wanted change from Bush it- what we got was a Bush on steroids! Anyone who refuses to see that might be racist themselves. Just because he’s black doesn’t make him above criticism when he destroys our right to not be indefinitely detained without charge our trial! And by the military at that. Learn your freakin’ history!

  • Shelby

    It is the National Defense Authorization Act… NOT the National Defense APPROPRIATIONS Act. And you believe this piece of journalism? I suggest you five people above do some basic research before you dismiss this information. Do you have any idea what the NDAA means to you? I suggest you start to research. You might be very surprised.

  • Martino Lazzareschi, Sr.

    Patriot ACT, NDAA have any of you oh so knowledgeable people even READ them? Please do and report back!

  • Mary

    I’m really getting tired of all this conspiracy and hate. You know I saw this happen here in San Fransisco with the the Board of supervisors. (Like they don’t have anything better to do with their time.)
    February 26 2013, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors voted unanimously in favor of a resolution entitled: ” Resolution expressing opposition to the indefinite detention provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act”. The resolution was sponsored by SF Board President David Chiu and co-sponsored by Supervisors Avalos, Breed, Campos, Kim, and Mar. Chiu said of the NDAA at the SF BOS meeting: “….These indefinite detention provisions violate fundamental American legal principles like the presumption of innocence, [and] the 5th amendment right to due process…”.

    “I thought we had left behind the dark days of World War II,” Chiu said, citing the forced incarceration of 120,000 Japanese-Americans and Japanese immigrants during the 1940s. (What a right wing conspiracy nut.)

    I always thought San Fransisco was more liberal and level headed. Thanks for clearing this up for me SPLC!

    Unless your wrong… then the only hate that needs to be watched is SPLC…

  • Robert lazo

    No worries… I fully understand how you guys feel about us… Both of my parents misunderstand our goals and mission…

    You need not fear us… We are here to protect even you guys… As long as you follow the Constitution and Bill of Rights as intended and written. And you understand that America is not a Democracy as many of you are mistaken about.

    We are a Constitutional Republic… Only one in the history of man. ( That I know of)

    Therefore, you should not fear us, but embrace us as the protectors of your rights and freedoms…

  • concernedcitizen

    I think the biggest perpetrators of rights infringement is merely the racist idiots that continually think they have the right to push their twisted family values on the rest of America.

    I can’t believe the non-sense people have come up with just because we have a Black President, it really shows the true face of ignorance and stupidity that has been allowed to fester in this country.

  • http://isthatafemacamp.blogspot.com/ The Locke

    These people really need to stop pushing these government concentration camps myths.

  • http://www.oathkeepers.org/oath/ Elias Alias

    To Raynardine – You can rest assured that had Alan Keyes been the candidate for the Presidency instead of Mr. Obama, his candidacy would have been very welcome by Oath Keepers’ leadership. Black has nothing whatsoever to do with Oath Keepers’ assessment of the current President’s administration. We love Alan Keyes, who is much much – much! – more “black” than President Obama.

    Oath Keepers was created by Stewart Rhodes, who had the idea for the organization while George W. Bush-41 was still the President. Rhodes wrote an award-winning paper at Yale Law School entitled: “Solving The Puzzle of Enemy Combatant Status”, which studied the implications of centralized governments’ tendency to suppress civil disobedience, stifle dissent, and chill free speech. What we find in the NDAA-2012 is exactly the subject Stewart Rhodes wrote that paper about years before.

    For the record, Oath Keepers feels that G.W. Bush and President Obama both belong in prison for international war crimes and other high crimes. Bush unlawfully invaded Iraq under a blanket of outright lies, and President Obama is arming al Qaeda in Syria, which is giving not only aid and comfort to America’s enemy, but is actually giving the world’s strongest terrorist network armaments.

    Rest assured: “Black” has absolutely nothing to do with our stance on political or governmental abuse of the U.S. Constitution.

    Salute!
    Elias Alias, editor for Oath Keepers

  • http://www.oathkeepers.org/oath/ Elias Alias

    Just to be certain, I must ask if the SPLC’s official position on the NDAA-2012 is that it does *not* place the United States of America under military jurisdiction in the so-called “war on terror”?

    Additionally, I’m asking if SPLC’s official position on the NDAA-2012 is that it does *not* grant the U.S.military an alleged authority for detention of U.S. citizens?

    Also, I’m asking if SPLC’s official position on the NDAA-2012 is that it does *not* presume to grant the U.S. military and/or Intelligence community and/or other U.S. governmental agencies or departments an alleged authority to subject American citizens to foreign rendition?

    Does the SPLC actually deny that American citizens are now under military jurisdiction; that American citizens are now subject to military arrest and indefinite detention; that American citizens are not subject to rendition to foreign governments or international entities; that America itself has been declared a “battlefield” in the alleged “war on terror”; and that every American citizen has been declared by the NDAA-2012 to be subject to the international “rules of war”? Can it be true that SPLC is denying these charges against the NDAA-2012?

    Finally, I must ask if the SPLC’s legal experts have bothered to actually read sections 1021 and 1022?

    Just asking.

    Salute!
    Elias Alias, editor for Oath Keepers

  • Sam Molloy

    It looks to me like anything that could be used as a “camp”, such as a sports stadium, convention center, mall or large courthouse, would actually be used as a refuge for people of means and influence against the total mayhem out on the streets. You would be lucky to gain admission to one, in other words.

  • Kiwiwriter

    Notice that the folks in Klamath County don’t have much to say about the prison camps erected at Guantanamo Bay by a previous conservative Republican administration, where foreign combatants were held indefinitely and subject to waterboarding.

    That kind of behavior is perfectly fine with Klamath County.

  • Reynardine

    Erika, that’s how high RWA types think. Followers compartmentalize. Leaders are both self-righteous and amoral. You can download a free PDF file, “The Authoritarians”, at Robert Altemeyer’s website. It’s a must-read. You should be able to google Robert Altemeyer easily. If you can’t find that, I’ll get it and post it here.

  • Gregory

    It begs the question, does the County Commission have nothing better to do with its time?

  • Erika

    the most insane part of this is that these exact same people claimed in the previous administration that people who opposed the pretextual invasion of Iraq were committing treason adn should be rounded up and detained as enemy combatants.

    the complete lack of self awareness (and massive projection) among the Tea Party/Oaf Keepers would be hilarious if it wasn’t so scary.

  • aadila

    Obama = Communism = U.N.

    That syllogism falls apart at the major premise, minor premise, and conclusion. Aristotle would frown upon the Oath Keepers.

  • Reynardine

    They mean the President is black, pure and simple, just like the Teacaucus actions mean the President is black, pure and simple.

  • Aron

    So Larry, how ’bout them concentration camps?