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Jena Rally Sparks White Supremacist Rage, Lynching Threat
As tens of thousands of people were preparing to make their way to Jena, La., for today’s anti-racism rally, white supremacists were burning up the Internet with furious denunciations, bloody predictions, promises of future violence and calls for lynching.
“The best crowd control for such a situation would be a squad of men armed with full automatics and preferably a machine gun as well,” is how one person put it on the Web forum hosted by the neo-Nazi Vanguard News Network. Added another hopeful VNN poster: “I’m not really that angry at the nogs [a recent variation on an ancient racial slur] — they are just soldiers in an undeclared race war. But any white that’s in that support rally I would like to … have them machine-gunned.”
As the rally began to unfold this morning, it became clear that it would attract huge numbers of people, perhaps even the 40,000 that some organizers had predicted. They came to protest the case of the “Jena 6,” black youths who were charged with serious crimes for an attack on a white youth not long after white teens who had targeted blacks were let off with a slap on the wrist. White supremacists reacted with a strange mixture of anger and admiration for the organizing behind the rally.
But the dominant response was violent rage. “I think a group of White men with AK rifles loaded with high capacity magazines should close in on the troop of howler monkeys from all sides and compress them into a tight group, and then White men in the buildings on both sides of the shitskinned hominids shall throw Molotov cocktails from above to cleanse the nigs by fire,” wrote “NS Cat” on VNN. Another poster fantasized about a terrorist attack in Jena today: “Wouldn’t that be sweet? Gosh darn, wouldn’t that be sweet? Good LORD wouldn’t THAT be SWeeeeEET? Boom, Boom, no more Coon! Well? A White man can dream can’t he?”
“If these blacks want a race war,” added a poster on Stormfront, another white supremacist Web forum, “they will get one. Bring it on.”
In Roanoke, Va., an especially virulent purveyor of race hate, neo-Nazi Bill White, this afternoon posted the home addresses and phone numbers of five of the six black youths who make up the Jena 6 under this headline: “Addresses of Jena 6 Niggers: In Case Anyone Wants to Deliver Justice.” White previously posted the home addresses of Southern Poverty Law Center president Richard Cohen and SPLC cooperating attorney James Boren.
White, the leader of the American National Socialist Workers Party, suggests that readers “get in touch and let them know justice is coming.” Another White posting on the matter doesn’t hold anything at all back: “Lynch the Jena 6.”
Robert Moore (right), a well-known neo-Nazi leader from Baton Rouge, La., apparently abandoned plans he had discussed on Stormfront Wednesday to protest the Jena rally, possibly while carrying guns. Instead, he wrote later, “If they DO start rioting and looting and burning and raze the town to the ground, White Pride Construction will be there the next day to help them rebuild.” In fact, Moore’s company, started in 2005, has done a great deal of post-Katrina rebuilding on the Gulf Coast — a truly remarkable thing, given that its name includes a widely known racist slogan.
on September 21st, 2007 at 8:06 am
This to me is crazy. You have the nerve to mention GOD. God has nothing to do with race. He states in his wod that he will pour his spirt among all flesh. In that i never heard him mention race. We as a people need to understand that by making comments such as these about your brother and yes I said brother because he is the father of all not just whites. We will have to come before the father on the day of judgement and he will tell you to depart from him. You want to burn blacks well you will burn, and at that time we will not be able to tell if your black or white. Only the truth will stand so if there is wrong it will surface with or without a rally. This kind of behavior is sick. Not the person who wrote this but the spirt that works within the person to make them act as such. Prayer is what you need and honestly I feel really sorry for you.
on September 21st, 2007 at 11:30 am
“God’s wod”?
Do what, Tarricka?
on September 21st, 2007 at 12:33 pm
The issue is not so much race as I see it but the fact that the perps are all under 18.Children do not belong in prison doing hard labor.As for the hate-mongers their primary satisfactions comes from instilling fear and disgust in to those that hear their words.The nation has to tolerate them ,being a free country, as long as violence and/or destruction does nor accompany their rants.no one has to listen to what they say or heed anything that they may utter if they do listen.That’s because it’s a free country too.
on September 21st, 2007 at 1:03 pm
I’ll never understand why humankind can unwrap the human genome and develop a space station, but cannot learn to embrace one another and work together. It’s clear in the US that our competitive markets and consumerism is only exacerbating ethnic tensions. I hope any groups that perpetuate hate crimes and thought are prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Ethnic purity is a farce.
on September 21st, 2007 at 1:34 pm
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Nicole said,
on September 21st, 2007 at 1:03 pm
I’ll never understand why humankind can unwrap the human genome and develop a space station, but cannot learn to embrace one another and work together. It’s clear in the US that our competitive markets and consumerism is only exacerbating ethnic tensions. I hope any groups that perpetuate hate crimes and >>>!!!!thought!!!!
on September 21st, 2007 at 1:45 pm
LOL I love how you put the little swastika picture in the blue eye picture above. Get used to seeing many more of the swastikas in the future. Many young Whites are waking up and refuse to be ashamed of their race and refuse hate their own race and refuse to apologize for being White. You people are shoving DIEvershity down their throats and now they are rebelling against it.
on September 21st, 2007 at 4:27 pm
Free country my ass. If a Black person had the nerve to publicly write about or suggest ways to accomlish violent activity against any group of white people, that Black person would immediately be arrested and charged with terroristic threats, inciting riots, conspiracy, or whatever other charge the nearest D.A. could come up with.
What everyone needs to understand about these white hate groups is that they are scared, terrified, petrified by Black empowerment. And they have good reason to be. If white folks ever let go of white supremacy and allow true equality and justice, it would be the beginning of the end of the white race. White skin is a genetically reccessive trait, and true equality would mean even more whtie women with dark skinned mates, which would eventually mean no more distingushable white race. And while I personally don’t think that’s a bad thing, I understand why it frightens them so.
What they fail to understand is that the terror tactics of their parents and grandparents will not work in this society. White folks made Black folks put aside our more peaceful and forgiving natures, and like the Jews, we Black folks will never again allow nightriders to comeinto our homes and lynch us with impunity. If they want a war, we will give them one. But they don’t really want a war. Cowards only bluff about things like that.
on September 21st, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Exactly David Tyler. We do have to listen to the hate mongers because it is a free country, allowing them to demonstrate in Jena is just part of their free speech. I also think its funny when the hate mongers gather and stand up for their race nobody bothers calling them racists. White people are the only people who cannot stand up and say “I am proud to be white” without being called racists…. No hate intended in that statement, all we want is EQUAL RIGHTS…. Thank you…
on September 21st, 2007 at 7:33 pm
I had no idea I was such a “well known neo-Nazi leader”… This came as quite a shock to me, since I’m better known as a Constitutional Libertarian than a National Socialist.
As I’m sure you read in numerous posts on Stormfront.org, our plans to attend the demonstration in Jena in support of the REAL victim of a very real “Hate Crime” were abandoned, but only after speaking at length with state and local law enforcement officials and learning they would not be able to gaurantee our safety. Given the size and composition of the crowd expected in Jena, we felt sure there would be a “chimp-out of biblical proportions”. We weren’t dissapointed.
Aside from the obvious physical security issues, the only other thing that interfered with our so-called “plans” was a thing we Whites like to call “gainful employment”. Holding the demonstration on a Thursday was surely a stroke of genius! While the rest of the country is out working, trying to put food on the table, pay the bills, and make the world a better place for our children, the ghetto-dwelling criminal welfare underclass was marching around small-town America demanding what essentially boils down to “special rights for violent repeat offenders”.
Equal justice you say? In this country justice is something that happens in court, in front of a judge and jury. Attempted murder is just that, attempted murder. It’s not “boys will be boys” or “misdemeanor poking and teasing” with a “name-calling” enhancement. It’s a serious crime that carries with it serious consequences for the offender, regardless of race.
As I watched the events unfold in Jena on TV (with the audio muted, for obvious reasons) I couldn’t help but wonder if the hordes of howling babboons really wanted a return to the good old days, when justice was meeted out by a mob, a short length of rope, and the nearest tree, because thats exactly what I and the rest of the world saw… A mob, wearing t-shirts with images of nooses hanging from a tree, gathered in front of a courthouse, screaming for a verdict other than the one handed down by judge and jury. You may be delusional enough to believe your own propaganda, but the rest of the world wears no such blinders.
After comparing violent crime statistics from then and now I can honestly say I’m all for it, but if I were you, I’d think twice before getting all “choked up and misty-eyed” about a return to the good old days of lynchmob justice, else you might end up that way…
Robert Moore
White Pride Construction, LLC
Baton Rouge, LA
on September 21st, 2007 at 8:39 pm
If you are so interested in unmasking hate, why don’t you post Moore’s response to your allegation that he’s a neonazi? He submitted one to you, but I don’t see it here. Thanks, JW.
on September 22nd, 2007 at 1:10 am
Um Helloooooo!
Isn’t this what is construed as CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER???
I can’t believe that the FBI, the Justice Dept and any other law enforcement agency is just going to sit back and wait and see if some kook carries out what these idiots are trying to incite them to do. Maybe if they start prosecuting some of these bums, it will stop. And if I was one of these families I would have Bill White in civil court so fast it would make his head spin! I would seek moving costs, security costs, emotional duress and punitive damages!! Ron Goldman’s father has shown us all how to make a piece of crap pay.
on September 22nd, 2007 at 8:09 am
It’s just amazing to me that NO ONE gets this whole issue. It’s never been about JUSTICE, it’s ALWAYS been about RACE!
The blacks want things their way in Jena and the rest of the country, when they don’t get it they build up rage until there comes a case like the Jena 6.
Their chanting at the rally for “No Justice, No Peace!” is a reminder of what they did to Los Angeles.
What they really meant to chant was “No JUST US, No Peace!”, after all….it is only about them and their wants and desires…but chalk it up to another beat down for old Whitey!
on September 22nd, 2007 at 8:48 am
White hate is nationwide judges lawyers police officers mayors councilmembers many hate blacks. The State Of Maryland has it share of devils with blue green brown eyes.
on September 22nd, 2007 at 11:35 am
You understood clearly what i meant. A mistype even you could understand. Stop picking out the little things and get the just of what my message was saying.
on September 22nd, 2007 at 1:14 pm
If we were smart, we would hack into all supremacy websites and take the SOBs down. Not like they’re smart enough to figure it out.
on September 22nd, 2007 at 1:16 pm
It was foolish to ever imagine that these racists like White have found God and repented. The FBI and the Sheriff in Jena need to step up to the plate and do the right thing by keeping an eye on this guy and his pals. Suggest that they join the 21st Century instead of HANGING OUT IN THE EARLY 20th Century. It’s way past time to look at people as people and not as figments of White’s, et al, imaginations. There are NO BOOGYMEN!
on September 22nd, 2007 at 2:47 pm
There is a big difference between White Nationalists and White Supremacists (aka Neo-Nazis, KKK, etc). White Nationalism is a very long tradition of European based areas remaining European (aka White) and thus not Multiracial as we see today in European areas. It’s abou preserving areas of the World to ensure the survival and existance of White identity, heritage and freedoms.
No different to what Japan, China and many other “ethnic” countries enjoy on a daily, monthly, yearly basis. Anyone see Japan being told to accept thousands of African refugees? Anyone pushing European settlements in China for cultural diversity? For that matter, why does multicultural supporters such as Zionist groups (Zionist Federation of Australia) demand traditionally white countries (such as Australia) embrace the perfect world of “multiculturalism”, while Isreal is exclusively for Jewish people only? Hypocrisy anyone?
White Supremacists on the other hand, believe white beings are superior to other races on Earth. No different to say Islamic belief (Muslim vs Infidels), Zionist faith (Jews vs Gentiles), Christian Fundamentalism (Christians vs Heretics) or stuff like the Black Panthers or Nation of Islam in America spouting Black supremacisy.
I agree Supremacisy is dangerous and I oppose it fiercely, as no race is superior by genetical birth right. But surely each race deserves a place in this world to prosper with their own kind enabling the growth, survival and pride in thier own unique identity, heritage and freedoms – black, white, yellow or whatever!
So let’s stop labelling White Nationalists as “Supremacist” for simple shock value defaming them as something there certainly are not; unless the media and those inclined start to label other races who hold nationalist ideals as “Supremacist” too, such as the Japanese (Asian), Jew/Arab (Semetic) or the blacks (Africans).
Enough of this demonisation of perfectly sound, normal ideals. Again I ask, what’s wrong with securing an area to protect the rights, freedoms, identity or a race of people in this world? Why can’t Europeans enjoy this ethnic only luxury? Why must White Lands be forced in democratic multiculural experiments?
White Pride World Wide.
on September 22nd, 2007 at 3:27 pm
OMGx0rZ! sum1 bl0gg3ed ab0ut h4t1ng bl4ck p30pl3?!?!? OMG OMG THAT IZ LYKE SOOOO CRAZY! I BET U NO ONE BLACK BLOGZ ABT HATING WHIT3 P30PLE!!!!!
on September 22nd, 2007 at 3:27 pm
ONCE AGAIN WHITE SUPREMACIST SHOW JUST HOW IGNORANT THEY CONTINUE TO BE. NOT ONE JENA 6 PROTESTER EVER URGE ANYONE TO START A RACE WAR ON LAST THURSDAY. SOMEHOW, THESE DIM-WITTED, LOW CLASS, UNEDUCATED FOOLS TRIED TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO INTIMIDATE THOSE SEEKING JUSTICE. “KNOCK, KNOCK” “WHO’S THERE” YOUR 1ST GRADE TEACHER! URGING YOU TO GO BACK TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND GET YOUR DIPLOMA!
on September 22nd, 2007 at 5:52 pm
It is unfortunate and too little, too late for the media to now speak out about racism in one small town in America; when it systemic and pervasive across this nation in one too many institutions where it has yet to be dismantled. My eyes, ears and soul have been a witness to this fact for decades to date. White people as a group are the first to talk about equality and the last to practice it in everyone’s best interest.
on September 22nd, 2007 at 7:52 pm
“White skin is a genetically reccessive trait, and true equality would mean even more whtie women with dark skinned mates, which would eventually mean no more distingushable white race. And while I personally don’t think that’s a bad thing, I understand why it frightens them so.”
a) they still haven’t completely figured out the genetics behind skin color
b)even if it was a recessive trait what does that have to do with your argument?
c)if there was no distinguishable white race, there would be no distinguishable black race either….we would be brown
Racism has nothing to do with skin. It’s a culture war.
And Jesse Jackson saying Obama is acting white, proves that whites AND blacks are racists.
on September 22nd, 2007 at 9:31 pm
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Dan K. said,
on September 22nd, 2007 at 8:09 am
It’s just amazing to me that NO ONE gets this whole issue. It’s never been about JUSTICE, it’s ALWAYS been about RACE!
The blacks want things their way in Jena and the rest of the country, when they don’t get it they build up rage until there comes a case like the Jena 6.
Their chanting at the rally for “No Justice, No Peace!” is a reminder of what they did to Los Angeles.
What they really meant to chant was “No JUST US, No Peace!”, after all….it is only about them and their wants and desires…but chalk it up to another beat down for old Whitey!
WOW…seems like this poor soul has forgotten that everything was FINE in JENA when the Whites were the “AGRESSOR’S.” And it seems that his “perspective” is shrouded by his OUTRAGE OF his ancestor’s losing their farms and crops when the BLACKS WERE FREED IN SLAVERY!!
Don’t you mean that the what’s want it to be “Just us” and that is why they would RATHER BURN THE SCHOOL down, and have the tree chopped down before they will treat Blacks equally.
NS CAT SAID:
on September 21st, 2007 at 1:45 pm
LOL I love how you put the little swastika picture in the blue eye picture above. Get used to seeing many more of the swastikas in the future. Many young Whites are waking up and refuse to be ashamed of their race and refuse hate their own race and refuse to apologize for being White. You people are shoving DIEvershity down their throats and now they are rebelling against it.
Whites ARE NOT A RACE. THEY ARE MERE DESCENDANTS OF AFRICAN’S!!! PERIOD!!
READ YOUR HISTORY!!! White’s didn’t just APPEAR in Europe they migrated there because they COULD NOT TAKE THE HEAT OF THE AFRICAN SUN!!!
At the same time no one cares if “whites” are PROUD we have a challenge when they PREACH cleansing the world or the US of anything but white…that’s THREATENING AND IGNORANT!!!
SOUNDS LIKE YOUR FEELING SORRY FOR YOURSELF BECAUSE THE FIRST AMERICAN FEMALE BILLIONAIRE IS BLACK!!!
THE BEST ATHLETES ARE BLACK, SURGEONS WHO WERE THE FIRST TO PERFORM MAJOR OPERATIONS AND TEACH WHITES HOW TO DO IT WERE BLACK, GET A GRIP. YOUR JUST ANGRY BECAUSE WE ARE PROUD TO BE BLACK AFTER EVERYTHING THAT OUR CULTURE HAS BEEN THROUGH IN THIS COUNTRY.
GET HELP YOU PURE WHITES ARE NOT PURE AT ALL YOUR AFRICAN LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!!! HAAHAHA!
XO
on September 23rd, 2007 at 12:01 am
I love how you pinko commies equate putting nooses in a tree to a 6 on 1 racial beat down. YOU ARE CAUSING MORE RACISM!!!!! I have no hate for other races but when you try to tell me that I am racist (even though I’ve done NOTHING!) yet these racist in the NAACP are going around spewing hate against all other races I am blown away by the ironic hypocrisy.
WAKE UP!
on September 23rd, 2007 at 12:09 am
Note to Kathy:
“If we were smart, we would hack into all supremacy websites and take the SOBs down. Not like they’re smart enough to figure it out.”
I hope by “supremacy websites” you are including the NAACP, La Raza and other racist sites.
For those of you who still get your information from public television:
NAACP stands for – National Association for the ADVANCEMENT of COLORED people. In other words, blacks are “supreme” and screw everyone else.
La Raza is Spanish for “The Race”…. Apparently they are the only race and everyone else is crap.
…but wait…. I’m just a pastey, cracker, honkey, mick, what do I know? I don’t belong to any race-based organizations, but I’m automatically labeled racist because of the color of my skin.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 1:00 am
For real!!!!
It should not be a color thing I mean damn it is 2007 might as well say 2008 i mean dam what the hell. All these mixed happily married people and mixed babies how can someone judge anyone—
man the world is coming to an end
And as for homeboy who wrote that BS he needs to think about the new Negro generation they not gone take no SHT like their ancestors did –if you give everyone respect you deserve it but –Nah, Roots got to alot of the new generation so Mr. White – construction man need to stop sleeping and understand it is not 1930′s and crap its 2007 so he need to wake the hell up.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 1:09 am
Jackson and Sharpton are the black examples of the virus of race hatemongering… In my eyes that are no different then someone like David Duke. Stiring the pot of hate…
The NAACP once a valuable organization… is now a joke.
Most churches in and around DC prey on the poor & guilt them into giving up money they can not afford to give up so these so called messengers of god can line their pockets and buy rolex watches and caddies. GOD DOES NOT NEED MONEY. WAKE UP PEOPLE.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 6:29 am
WHO cut down the tree? What a stupid idiot! The tree did NOTHING! Who says the rope did anything? IDIOTS! The blacks DID do something! Attempted MURDER! If they are set free then you will see something! Who do these idiots think they are, ATTEMPTED MURDER and they want to get off scott free! They are IDIOTS!!! WHO let the other FIVE OFF???? That is a travesty of justice! If they were all in attendance at the ATTEMPTED MURDER of the student ALL OF THEM SHOULD STAND TRAIL for ATTEMPTED MURDER of the man! Where IS the FBI???? Where is JUSTICE!!!!!!!!! HANG THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!! Better yet, FRY THEIR BUTTS or give them the NEEDLE!!! Any of all of the above fit the crime! Also, give this to the IDIOT who cut down the beautiful TREE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dave
on September 23rd, 2007 at 7:17 am
I am not going to waste time on some of the comments made. Take it as you want there is no justification for such injustice as Jena is. This is 2007 and African people around the world is fighting the same enemy, white supremecy. They parade around the world, in Africa and the Caribbean and make believe they love people in those countries. Charity begins at home.
The only way that this situation can change is when white people are willing to own up to past wrongs and admit that they were wrong to enslave Africa people and make amends things will never change. Just think of how long African people have been demonstrating and protesting. We need a truth commission in this country before anything will change, The US supports everyone else to do the right thing except when it comes to the US doing the right thing. Ponder on my words and you will see it make sense. We have to be honest and admit to our wrong and then we can move on.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 7:33 am
i think them blacks should be punished to the full extent of the law. they commited a crime no matter if you are black,white,blue,green or titty pink a crime is a crime and deserves punishment. it took six of them to assult this kid, and leave him for dead. now dosent that sound like a punishable crime if not you are ignorant. as for a race war and riot. if so let it go they will take care of themselfs. everytime there is a riot the blacks destroy their own neighborhoods because they are mad about something. how come they arnt doing this now. oh yeah hurricane katrina.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 7:50 am
NS Cat said,
on September 21st, 2007 at 1:45 pm
“LOL I love how you put the little swastika picture in the blue eye picture above. Get used to seeing many more of the swastikas in the future. Many young Whites are waking up and refuse to be ashamed of their race and refuse hate their own race and refuse to apologize for being White. You people are shoving DIEvershity down their throats and now they are rebelling against it.”
I think it is very sad that hate seems to be winning over love.
You say NS cat that young Whites are waking up and refused to be ashamed of their race. There is a difference between being proud of your heritiage and culture and wanting to perserve your own unique speical traditions and hating others. Yes, I say hating others.
Yes, I hear all the buzz words in your post, how diversity is the destruction of our country, how they want us to hate our own race, how inferior non whites are to whites. I have heard their lies before.
Notice I said lies, because that is what you have been fed NS cat. There was a time in my life when I believed those lies, until I woke up from the nightmare and realized that like a person who was under mind control that WN is evil. You see one can’t know God and also be a WN.
They are very good at drawing good people in with the perserve our freedom slogans. Who doesn’t want to perserve our freedom as a country. I also liked the preserve our heritiage as I like honoring my ethnic heritiage. I go to the Celtic games when I can. I see nothing wrong with all ethnic groups honoring their own beautiful heritiage and traditions, but that isn’t WN is it NS cat? But the thing is that when WN use those phrases it is not the same thing as what most Americans mean when they use those phrases.
I actually feel sorry for you NS cat, because if you stay with the WN program you will become the most bitter, angry person who will be on a path that you do not want to be on in the long run. You must know that in the end, you will never win. You will never get your dream of a White homeland. But most important is that you will be turning your back on a loving Jesus who loves you, and what will you say on judgement day when he asks you why you hated part of his creation.
I know you may not care, as I have met very few real Christians in the years I spent in WN, but I met many who thought they were Christians and who twisted the Bible to fit their warp mindset.
I hope someday NS cat, that you will see the truth and be able to walk away. Tell me how can you really respect the so called leaders of WN? They are not honorable White men as you think, but you will have to find that out in your own time and way, though like others I have talked to when you do start to wake up from the nightmare, you realized you were brainwashed and feel like you are coming out of a mind control cult.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 7:54 am
According to the article above white pride is a racist slogan… is black pride a racist slogan? is jewish pride a racist slogan?
on September 23rd, 2007 at 8:09 am
Kathy said,
on September 22nd, 2007 at 1:14 pm
“If we were smart, we would hack into all supremacy websites and take the SOBs down. Not like they’re smart enough to figure it out.”
I believe in freedom of speech and think that we should not deny anyone the freedom of speech in this country.
Once we deny freedom of speech for one group, it becomes very easy to deny freedom of speech to another group because we don’t like what they say.
If you look at talk radio today, at least on my local station of clear channel it is all far right. They don’t have the other side reflected at all. I hear many of the same comments from Republicans on the air as I did from WN. The same sloggans. They would just die and of course deny that they are anything like WN such as David Duke who has a very charming way and with words can draw good people in.
I believe that the public square should have all ideas represented so that all people can hear. In the end, the truth always prevails.
I believe in a free society and I want to keep the first Ammendement so I will fight for the right of them to speak freely. Though at the same time, I will speak freely as well.
I don’t believe in throwing out the baby with the bathwater and there are some really good people who have been suckered in and I think they are worth saving. Their hearts are just wanting a better future for their children. They see what is going on in this country and they are scared. They are confused and like many of us don’t know how to get this country back on track. The evil in our society uses fear to scare people into thinking that joining them is the only way they can provide a future for their children. Fear has been used in the past to scare people in accepting things that they wouldn’t have accepted.
We need to provide answers and show people through our ideas and vision that there is no reason to fear. Once we can do that, evil won’t be able to use fear to gather otherwise good people to their ranks.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 8:20 am
No such thing as racism
by Preston Wiginton
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There is no such thing as Racism in America. ..
Americans are under some strange spell that prevents them from registering reality.
There is no racism in America, shocking as that sounds.
People of any race are perfectly free to pursue whatever career, business, lifestyle, and reside anywhere they want. There is no racism! It’s just a myth.
Now, some people might not like each other. That’s simply personal feelings. Some people may take precautions based on statistics or life experience, just as they do on safe or non safe airlines to fly or what neighboroods to live in. (ever hear of white flight?) This is not racism.
When a society tries to control feelings and individual choices and perceptions, that goes beyond what any previous Totalitarian regime has tried in the past.
It’s called mind control.
“Racism” is a myth of a religion called Political Correctness. Created with the express purpose of organizing a crusade against the heretics who deny the Divinity of so called Tolerance.
And “tolerance” of what exactly? Crime? Rape? Job Displacement? Buggery? Sodomy? Murder?
Tolerance of foresaking one’s heritage and identity? One’s birth right? One’s patriotism?
Yet when the most basic precepts of human decency, dignity, and spirit can be undermined, then this society becomes easy prey for the predatory nature of the so-called left wing liberal.
Young minds then become fertile ground for the leftist agenda of the neo-marxist to propagate the ministry of professorship with its deciples in governement, religion and law.
America has foresaken her freedoms and is in the process of handing over her entire being, what made her great for 189 years (1776 – 1965) to this perverse and anti-scientific nihilist religion of Political Correctness.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 10:09 am
No matter how hard we work to show White America that we are just
like them, then along comes a piece of crap that the media uses to
lump us all into the same catagory. We work, march and demonstrate
to show our Brothers and Sisters that we are on their side. To show
we care about our Nation. We want them to know we are just like them
and we are rightiously speaking out against the injustices being
applied to us and other White Americans. We hope to show them the
way in this darkening world.
Then comes the little hitler, bill white. In his search for
publicity and a sick need to be in the headlines and be a “great
leader”, he makes us all look like crap, like dangerous individuals
that they must hide their children from. He turns our positives into
negatives, and he drives away the fence sitters. We have made
progress as a movement lately with the several demonstrations and
marches for the White couple brutily raped and murdered down south
and for speaking out intelligently against other black on White
brutalities. After all of that hard work, it will now amount to
nothing! Everyone is going to be listening to the jew tell White
America that we are all the same as this not so great pretender, bill
white. I just hope he is killed in some horrible accident, or maybe
by one of his tennants before he tears down any further advancements
we make as a unified force against the wiles of the jew.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 10:40 am
In response to the article: How is “White Pride” a racist slogan? If Caucasians have pride in their own race, they are seen as racist biggots. If blacks or other minorities have pride in their race, they are just being proud of who they are. I am tired of the double standard that prevails today for white people.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 11:02 am
I believe Al sharpton; Jesse Jackson; and the others who “sponsored” the demonstrations are actually doing a disservice to the 6 young men in question.
Quietly, the charges could have (have) been reduced and the six could have been tried for misdomeaners (sp=?).
But NO, The Jacksons and Sharptons have to get their minutes of fame……………too bad.
Carter Barcus
on September 23rd, 2007 at 11:09 am
In response to Eeinna (9/22/07, 9:31pm), who said:
Whites ARE NOT A RACE. THEY ARE MERE DESCENDANTS OF AFRICAN’S!!! PERIOD!!
READ YOUR HISTORY!!! White’s didn’t just APPEAR in Europe they migrated there because they COULD NOT TAKE THE HEAT OF THE AFRICAN SUN!!!
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Eeinna, I don’t know what false history book you are reading, but Caucasians are a race that is different from negoes. If whites migrated to Europe because of the African sun, that is proof that they were originally white, whether they were African or not! It is a myth created by racist blacks that original humans were black. Dark skin is an evloutionary trait that is a result of living in an area that receives a great amount of sunlight. Over time, the humans living in this area develop dark skin by the process of evolution. Humans that lived further north or south of the equator did not develop dark skin.
But really, WHO CARES? People are people? Who cares about who was first or who invented what or who was the first to do something?
on September 23rd, 2007 at 12:33 pm
What you have in this area of the South is institutionalized abuse of individual rights. We have a hierarchy and those at the bottom of this hierarchy live and are free solely at the discretion of those who control the power. Law enforcement and the court systems serve them. Oh, we don’t lynch people here anymore. We’re much too civilized for that. We just lock them up in a cell where they can rot slowly from the inside out. The jails, prisons, and Parish Sheriffs’ “pea farms” are the new plantations here in the New (Old) South. Even our “indigent defenders” are nothing more than high-paid ushers, routinely escorting those who live at the bottom of our society to their fate and helping strip them of their rights. Those who run afoul of the law and those who maintain the status quo here will find that Lady Justice is not blind. In fact, she has a very discriminating 20/20 vision… A spokesman for the governor of Louisiana, Kathleen Blanco, said that she had called upon the state police to investigate the incendiary statements made against the Jena 6. Jesse Jackson called on the U.S. Marshals service to protect them. This area has a long history of allowing injustices to occur. The only thing that is going to protect people is a grass roots movement committed to electing leaders that will overhaul law enforcement and the court system in this area. We need more demonstrations and more people speaking out about these type injustices. We need people in this area to get out and register to vote. Hopefully, civil rights leaders will help keep the spotlight on until the job is done. This is an area that time forgot. The civil rights movement passed us by. When Martin Luther King, Jr. flew in to the nearby Monroe airport, he never left the terminal. Area black leaders were bamboozled by wealthy white businessmen into thinking they would be better off if he left. These white business leaders, the pillars of our society, made promises that things would get better if King would only leave. They feared Dr. King. He was a threat to their way of life: a life of wealth and privilege and, above all, control. They persuaded the black leaders of this area to send Dr. King packing. Well, as you can see, things have not gotten better. It has only been more and more of the same. I don’t know why there’s such a hullabaloo about the Jena 6. As bad as that incident is, it’s not a drop in the bucket compared to what goes on around here. Dr. King came here to work, but his work was never done. He took the next flight out. His work remains unfinished to this day. His own people believed the lies and persuaded him to travel on. He might have returned, but an assassin’s bullet cut him down. As a result, the civil rights movement passed us by. We’ve been paying for it ever since. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had a dream. What will happen to his “dream deferred?” Together, we can answer that question. It’s time to take up the mantle of Dr. King, for all people, and move forward into the new century.
Michael Holland
“The masses of people are rising up. And wherever they are assembled today, whether they are in Johannesburg, South Africa; Nairobi, Kenya; Accra, Ghana; New York City; Atlanta, Georgia; Jackson, Mississippi; or Memphis, Tennessee — the cry is always the same — ‘We want to be free.’” Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. “I’ve Been to the Mountaintop” April 3, 1968 Memphis, Tennessee
on September 23rd, 2007 at 12:53 pm
I just love how some people try using ignorant arguments to justify hatred. My favorite is the one about white nationalist groups trying to preserve the “white” way of life in america. First of all, America was not “white” to begin with. It was native american. It became “white” when a bunch of terrorist came and overpowered the native americans. Black was added when the “whites” needed more slaves than the native american’s could provide. The other ethnicities and nationalities migrated here. The hispanic population was added because blacks became free and the “white” people needed more slaves. This country can never become only “white” again. So white supremacists and white nationalists get that out of your minds or go invade a new country. This time, make sure you do the work of building it yourself instead of bringing other non-white races in and then complaining about them once they’re there.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 12:55 pm
Should have been:
America was not white to begin with. It belonged to native americans until a bunch of terrorists invaded their land and stole it from them.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 12:57 pm
What Bill White did is no different than what anti-racist activists have been doing for years. Earlier this year, One People’s Project involuntarily outed Sharon Hewitt, to include her home address, merely because she was dating a member of the Vinlanders. Now while “hanging and banging” with the Vinlanders show an extraordinarily poor choice of companions, it hardly makes one racist.
In addition, as a racially-conscious White man, I find Bill White’s actions personally empowering because it entitles me a to get sense of proxy payback for 43 years of affirmative action and general white-bashing.
But what the Jena 6 situation clearly demonstrated is that there is really nothing the White community can ever do to make Blacks happy. Consequently, it’s time to openly (but civilly) introduce the topic of an amicable racial separation back into the discussion.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 1:01 pm
The facts are very clear in this case: a mob beat a person into unconsciousness and then continued to kick that person while on the ground and unconscious, in large part because of the color of his skin. Nearly all moral and intelligent people, anywhere, would consider that a hate crime, which should be severely punished.
But, African-Americans do not see that mob attack as a hate crime. Instead they hold the attackers as heroes who should be honored (i.e., the white boy deserves it, because he has the same color of skin as the “oppressors”). Of course, if the races had been reversed, African-Americans would be demanding justice against the “modern-day racial lynching.”
This sort of behavior by African-Americans is why everyone around the World thinks that Africans are irrational, illogical, and of low intelligence. Their reliance on emotion, threat, and violence, and their inability to use logic will continue to hold back Africans, no matter where they settle.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 2:20 pm
Hey SPLC! How ya doin’? Violated any whites’ rights today?
How many of you have lived in a non-white neighborhood (including jewish neighborhoods)? I asked because the only people who love non-whites are those who don’t live near them.
Sure, there will be the odd white who loves non-whites and lives happily among them. These people tend to have very few white friends. Ever notice?
This goes for jews, too. Their neighborhoods are hardly ever diversified….look at how racist Israel is to their neighbors.
Whites have their hands and mouths bound by the feds. If whites had a choice, do you think we would mix with non-whites, including jews. No freakin’ way.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 2:48 pm
Honest medical doctors will tell you that the brains of blacks are smaller, lighter, and less complex (convoluted) than the brains of whites. Phone and ask any doctor, if you have doubt.
Thus, blacks have much lower IQs, which means lower cognitive abilities – the ability to reason properly. That’s why blacks are so prone to violent behavior, especially violent racist behavior towards white people, whom blacks are taught by the jewsmedia to hate. (Read the book “Hatin Whitey”, by Professor David Horowitz. Also The Bell Curve, by Herstein and Murray)
The vast majority of whites know first hand how violent and unreasonable blacks are. Unfortunately, most whites are afraid to speak their honest minds, publicly.
For 24/7 uncensored debate on the race issue, visit http://www.vnnforum.com. Also my own website at http://www.whty.org.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 4:57 pm
Six on one isn’t a fight; it’s an attempt to do serious injury to someone—perhaps resulting in death.
If six people are stomping someone in the face and body while he’s on the ground, and incapacitated, they should all go jail for a very long time. I don’t care what the preconditions of it were(the kid didn’t do anything to them), the kid that got beat down is lucky to have not had massive internal bleeding or brain damage.
The fact that this has to be pointed out to the Negro community is ridiculous. The fact that some are calling for these criminals to be “let go,” is an insult to the young man that was viciously attacked just because of the whiteness of his skin.
How old is Bell? He was sixteen at the time of this assault. Most normal people at this age know that if you beat the crap out of someone with five other people while the victim is unconscious that death can result. Most of civilized society would consider this attempted murder. Why should any of these thugs be excused? Most kids by the age of seven or eight know that severely hurting someone is wrong – why shouldn’t Bell or his accomplices? Is there one set of laws for blacks and another for whites? I thought this was America!
Stick to your guns, Jenna. You did the right thing by bringing these violent thugs to justice.
BTW- Sharpton built his whole career on race-baiting and incitement to riot…people have actually died because of his incitement. Bill White didn’t break any laws.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Bill White is a Jew. Get a clue SPLC.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 6:59 pm
All you dumb ass KKK, Neo Nazi, White Supremisists, (ya ya whatever you want to call yourselves), if you went to school and learned something instead of trying to look for wood to burn or learn how to make nooses, you would know that this isnt even a white man’s land. This land is Indian land, you are their guest here and for all you F***ked up people who feel that the Mexicans need to learn english to be here in America, you would know also that Mexicans are part of the Aztecs who are Indians, so why dont you learn to speak the language that was here before english. I love to sit here and read what people of the “white race” say, cause if you knew how ignorant you sounded and are, its funny as hell. Be real men and women get an education, get a REAL job and get a life. It makes me sick to know that I have relatives in Iraq fighting a war to keep you ignorants live longer.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 8:29 pm
You got to love the comments here being made by the “White Nationalists” who speak as if they are the most oppressed people of the world. While they are on the internet whining about being discriminated, being victims of “White Genocide”, “White Guilt” and other bullsh#t propaganda that they use to entice innocent Whites to join their cause, there are other peoples of this world suffering from starvation, wars and dictatorship.
You are not fooling anyone. Your so-called “White Pride” goes beyond preservation. It isn’t about pride, surviving and protecting a race. Your movement is driven by hate. You hate the color of other peoples’ skins and hate them because they are different. I read your disgusting forums. Most of the posts consist of childish, but negative remarks about other races, regardless how many innocent people of different races there are.
You could take your whining and shove it up David Duke’s a**. That’s right. Your poster boy of White Nationalism who spent his donations gambling in Casinos and used the usual “Jew” conspiracies to fool you into considering his innocence. lol
By the way, I am a proud White male. But I am not on your side. I believe in equality for all races. No white guilt here. Your propaganda is full of holes.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 9:11 pm
MATTHEW WROTE:
on September 23rd, 2007 at 11:09 am
In response to Eeinna (9/22/07, 9:31pm), who said:
Whites ARE NOT A RACE. THEY ARE MERE DESCENDANTS OF AFRICAN’S!!! PERIOD!!
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“Eeinna, I don’t know what false history book you are reading, but Caucasians are a race that is different from negoes. If whites migrated to Europe because of the African sun, that is proof that they were originally white, whether they were African or not! It is a myth created by racist blacks that original humans were black. Dark skin is an evloutionary trait that is a result of living in an area that receives a great amount of sunlight. Over time, the humans living in this area develop dark skin by the process of evolution. Humans that lived further north or south of the equator did not develop dark skin.
But really, WHO CARES? People are people? Who cares about who was first or who invented what or who was the first to do something?”
MATTHEW…Message To The Black Man In America, MANY MANY BOOKS ON ANCIENT HISTORY!! AND…
THE HOLY BIBLE….Jesus Christ “Skin of Coal, Hair of Wool”=BLACK MAN!!!!
All life form started in AFRICA. IT WAS A BLACK RACE.
Your anger and rage toward Blacks comes from your deep seated anger passed down by your ANGRY Ancestor’s. While Africans were in Palaces and enjoying a fabulous life of education and travel YOUR PEOPLE WERE IN CAVES EATING RAW MEAT AND “BEATING EACH OTHER OVER THE HEAD WITH CLUBS”.
Your ANGER TOWARDS BLACKS..and feelings of being “looked down upon” by them is from your ancestor’s…who TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION…WERE BORN ALBINO’S FIRST AND NEEDED TO GET OUT OF THE SUN…so they migrated to EUROPE….okay. Darling, so take your hating behind to the Library NOT THE INTERNET AND GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT….see think about it….everything that was done to the African after he was “kidnapped” was LIKE YOUR ANCESTOR’S THE ALBINO’S…were stripped of knowledge of self, treated like a savage, made to endure harsh circumstances(being denounced from their African heritage)…living in the JUNGLE AWAY FROM THE PALACE…never learning their African native tongue language, THAT IS WHY WHITES HAVE NO “LANGUAGE”, or culture. They sat outside the “ROYAL GATES” watching, wishing….they could BE A PART of their heritage. THAT HURT TURNED TO RAGE WHICH TURNED TO HATE, WHICH turned to evil….
Don’t worry Matthew I understand your anger, but if you want to be accepted you have to start behaving in an acceptable manner.
If you need any more information…I’m here for you.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 9:54 pm
How long will the embers of racism continue to light the fires of hate?? How long will it take this nation and world to realize we are ALL created in the image of God? We are ALL brother and sisters. We, in our differences and our uniqueness, are part of God’s Human Family. All of creation cries out for the wickedness of racism in the South and all lands to end. We pray for the peace of our loving God to lead the righteous struggle to free those in jail. In the Spirit of Martin, Gandhi, in the love of Christ we ask “How Long” must we wait for justice to be just.
The only way is the way of non-violence.
We pray for no more violence. Violence No More.
on September 23rd, 2007 at 10:20 pm
Do any of the people here know the whole story? Look it up,the WHOLE story and you will see why tens of thousands of people ascended upon Jena. On another note,have you all forgotten your history or is everyone here a 1st grade dropout? Whites,black,asians and hispanics are ALL immigrants in the big picture,the REAL picture. Why is it so easily forgotten that whites STOLE this country from it’s natives. You say go back to Africa,I say go back to Europe. I’m not proud to say that my ancestors wiped out a whole race of natives,but I am ready to move on from the past. There’s no sense in dwelling on the past,why is it so hard for everyone to move on? Whites,blacks,hispanics everyone. Look at the jews,they were facing possible extinction and now they are so prosperous as a race it makes the whites who put them down sick to their stomachs. The United States was already the laughing stock of the WORLD,and this just makes it worse. Can you imagine a country run like Jena,or the way most white supremacists imagine? The White House with couches and t.v.s on the front lawn and horseschoe games being played. Our president with a mullet? Keep pushing us back in time,while everyone is progressing what will we have to say for ourselves down the road?? Lets move on people and create a better U.S.A. together. What’s wrong with that? If you have time to “hate” you really aren’t a productive citizen are you? In a perfect world,maybe all of the white supremacists and rednecks could have their own country,it may be the best idea,I’m pretty sure they’d be finished and ready to catch up with the rest of the world after they see that a country can’t run on slimjims,mountain-dew and racism.
on September 24th, 2007 at 7:57 am
This is really sad.
But if our government cannot stop these hate fools, then we will need to exercise our right to protect ourselves from harm. Do they really think we would just lay down and take a beating from them. On the contrary, They will awaken a force that will come down on them like the plague. All you hate mongers beware, there is a force prepared to stop you in your tracks. We laugh at your childlike antics.
NUFF SAID!!!!!!!!!!
on September 24th, 2007 at 8:05 am
See how anger clouds our minds. I don’t dislike all whites, just white supremist and their unwarranted hate. What did any person of color do to them? Hate brings out hate. And to what end? My previous comment is to let them know that bullys’ are not excepted, and we all know that they are really cowards.
I meant the part about protecting ourselves!
on September 24th, 2007 at 9:57 am
This is to Mr. Robert Moore….
You say the ghetto people were out there protesting against the “real” victim of this crime and they were supporting repeat criminal offenders. Ummmm…isn’t the “real” victim currently in JAIL again for another crime. Excuse, didn’t your so call brother consistently commit crimes against blacks back in the day who were just in their home minding their business, and all they wanted was a education. So, please don’t call blacks criminal when your group was the biggest one of them all and my guess if you were still allowed to you still would be lynching, tarring and castrating black folks. White folks have right to be proud with their heritage…. but be proud of your heritage not your color. Stand proud if you are Irish, Polish and whatever the case maybe. I’m a proud Bahamian young woman. Clean up your hate and trust Jehovah God and find a Kingdom of Hall Jehovah’s Witnesses and you will see how your life will be so much better.
on September 24th, 2007 at 11:13 am
I’m a white man and I don’t understand why all people can’t leave race out of the issue. Race isn’t the problem the problem is the justice system doesn’t matter what color your skin is it always seems justice isn’t being done. I don’t know what all went down over Jena all I heard was a white kid was beat up by 6 black kids now whether or not the white kid provoked the 6 black kids remains to be seen. All I know is something has to be done about this, those so called white supremacist’s groups need to be stopped killing isn’t the answer to the problem. Don’t be afraid of your race white is black, black is white we’re all supposed to be equal no matter what color we are, no matter what gender, religion, etc… I will be the first to admit that if the white kid didn’t provoke the 6 kids then yes they should be punished but if it comes out that he did in fact provoked then I don’t see why the 6 kids should get very much punishment. Either way we look at it punishment is coming I just hope race doesn’t play a part in it.
I call out to all races we shouldn’t be fighting against each other here and now there are bigger things going on that need our attention
New Orleans needs help rebuilding the town
The possibility of a nuclear weapon being fired upon this country is far bigger than race.
on September 24th, 2007 at 12:28 pm
Actually, I hate to rain on your anti-White nationalist parade, but God (Christian God anyway) does value a heirachical racial system.
Ever heard of the Beast of the Field or the Mark of Cain, I’m not a White supremacist, I don’t condone hatred or violence, however is it so evil not to want my children around Black people. It’s for religious reasons, if a Jewish person or a Muslim said that they would be granted that concession in life, why not me?
I smell a nasty double standard when it comes to racial pride.
I don’t use epithets, I’m not advocating going out and lynching Blacks, but I’d be more than ready to engage them if and when a race war comes about.
I feel that because of a legacy of social and economic prejudice my White American brothers are suffering because of what SOME of their great-great-great grandfathers did.
If that Morris Dees fellow is still at this SPLC, I don’t understand why he can’t accept the Ku Klux Klan are a Christian, White Nationalist organisation. Stop suing them. I think that a very violent backlash against the oppression of the racial right-wing will come and if and when it does don’t say we didn’t warn you.
on September 24th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
I just wanted to alert everyone here to yet another shocking example of white racism (go to link, below). When will racists whites learn? Why can’t we just try to get along and see the good in each other?
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=5950
on September 24th, 2007 at 3:21 pm
For all of you that have a comment no matter what color you are, in justice is in justice and if it happened to your family or anyone I would hope that you would want to stand up and do something about it. Now for everyone who downs the NAACP or Raza or any organization that wants fairness and equality take a look at yourself and ask are these people asking for anything that I wouldn’t want for myself.It is un-fortunate that we live in a country where we have to have a side association in order to have your voices heard, but we do. Now I hear a lot of people say that it is minorities who have someone to back them at all times, well so do whites it’s called the KKK or whatever they are calling themselves today. The only problem is your representation is violent and dis-orderly, and disguised. How many times have any represenative from the NAACP or Raza showed up in a sheet or any other household decoration, i’ll tell you never. Reason being they are not preaching hate, violence, nor ignorance. It is simply fairness, so before you speak against anyone and what they do make sure your fight is an intellegent one.
on September 24th, 2007 at 5:51 pm
Within these comments I see black people in fear of violence spewing white supremists, and white people in fear of being to be insignificant and accused of being racists. I understand both. Black people naturally ( I’m black ) and white people with empathy. I understand how it feels to be, portrayed as the bad guy all the time… its not cool. If white people feel as though the other races are out to get them, I can only say that they only feel that way because it couldn’t be further from the truth.
Racism is everywhere and every race has guilty members. Unfortunately for white people they rule the world that we live in. And when those who make the rules give in to racism it threatens larger scope of people.
Honestly I dont have enough time to break it all down.
So I’ll get to the point.
Whatever is happening to either race, we cannot react with hate. Corny as it sounds we have to try love and understanding.
on September 25th, 2007 at 7:06 am
I venemously reject the above comment (by white/mexican WOMAN in luv with a African American MAN), stipulating that all “White supremacists” (by the way Mrs. Anti-White above learn how to spell) are illeducated hicks.
I don’t spend my time “looking for wood to burn” or learning the art of tying a knot in a piece of rope, I’m only 14, my intention is to enter the legal profession.
So, I guess someone who spends their time studying the Bible, watching the stock market and reading up on commercial law as a hobby is typical “White trash”, well if that’s White Trash I’m White Trash and proud.
I don’t have to like non-Whites, I don’t expect non-Whites to like me, race is a recognised category. It’s there and it makes a difference whether you like it or not, it’s proven through thousands of studies, some races are more prone to violence, some races are less intelligent. I don’t look down on lesser races, but I equally don’t want them around me.
This system forces me and fellow WNs to be around those we don’t like and then they wonder why lynchings, shootigs, bombings etc. happen.
They happen because we’re being forced to live with people we don’t like.
on September 25th, 2007 at 8:32 am
TO Allan Peterson,
First of all you say your 14, well stay in a childs place. We understand that everyday you sit around and study your dictionary and read every political article you can get your hands on, but you have not lived long enough to understand opression and the struggle that people of different colors have had to endure. Tell your parents to stop educating you through the media and what they think are the facts. I am African American and I live in this country everyday and pay taxes like everyone else and receive injustice that you would not beleive. and contrary to popular belief I have never been on welfare, in jail, or any other stereotype that some have rumored about my people. But I still have to fight 10X’s harder to get the jobs and feel comfortable in my skin.So please before you open your mouth to speak about the world and whats going on it, dig a little deeper and become a little more wiser. And believe me there is a place you can move to get away from everyone, there are jungles and woods, and forest, try Europe I hear it’s great in the Spring, it’s not too many of us there. You say your not racist, but I think GOD will tell you different if you get to see him. God Bless and be merciful to the easily led and pursuaded.I’ll be waiting for your comment although you should be outside playing, like normal children.
on September 25th, 2007 at 9:16 am
Allan Peterson said,
on September 24th, 2007 at 12:28 pm
“Actually, I hate to rain on your anti-White nationalist parade, but God (Christian God anyway) does value a heirachical racial system.
Ever heard of the Beast of the Field or the Mark of Cain, I’m not a White supremacist, I don’t condone hatred or violence, however is it so evil not to want my children around Black people. It’s for religious reasons, if a Jewish person or a Muslim said that they would be granted that concession in life, why not me?
I smell a nasty double standard when it comes to racial pride.
I don’t use epithets, I’m not advocating going out and lynching Blacks, but I’d be more than ready to engage them if and when a race war comes about.
I feel that because of a legacy of social and economic prejudice my White American brothers are suffering because of what SOME of their great-great-great grandfathers did.
If that Morris Dees fellow is still at this SPLC, I don’t understand why he can’t accept the Ku Klux Klan are a Christian, White Nationalist organisation. Stop suing them. I think that a very violent backlash against the oppression of the racial right-wing will come and if and when it does don’t say we didn’t warn you.”
Alan I noticed that you say you are 14 years old. I do not know if your parents are WN and you grew up being taught WN beliefs or if you found them on the internet and your parents don’t know you are on these sites on the net. People, I think we need to take into consideration that Alan is 14 years old.
Alan, are your Christian Identity? I ask because from your post you sound CI. I also know that CI people do share many of the WN beliefs.
I know something about CI. My ex was a CI pastor and it is not a doctrine of God, but of evil. I am Catholic myself, and from the pulpit I heard many sermons on how evil Catholics were and how Catholic were not saved nor Christian. CI is very good at twisting the Bible around to fit their racist beliefs. Jesus is not in that CI faith that is practiced by WN. CI has hate at its core. If I had stayed with my ex, he would have killed me in the name of his God, because I refused to accept CI and their doctrine of hate. CI is a doctrine of man is superior over woman and has the right to beat her. I knew the wooden paddle if he thought I was disrespectful to him.
Why do you think the KKK is Christian Identity? It is because they can keep the mask of them being Christian, because CI is not Christian, but a cult. When one is a true Christian they can not be WN, CI or any other name the evil wants to hide behind so that they can draw good innocent people into their ranks. The KKK is evil.
Don Black founder of SF once told reporters that “his goal for Stormfront was establishing real legitimacy in the realm of public opinion.” They have been working toward that goal for years, and I would say have been successful in drawing people in. We are facing real problems as a country and we have a government who instead of having real ideas and visions to share with the American people have done nothing.
We have problems and issues that if we continue to do nothing will only get worst and our children will have to pay the cost. People worry about the future of their children. Most of these people are good people who are searching for answers to address the real problems we face as a nation.
WN come in and act like they are conservative Republicans and fall for the fake image, only to find out that they had been lied to and that WN is really about hate and not love. Fear is a very powerful weapon when a nation’s citizens are not given answers from their government to solve real issues facing us.
Do you know how many times I heard it is about love and not hate. I believed that lie, but the truth is it is about hate. You can say you love your race, and if it really is about love and wanting to perserve your race than why do you call other races terrible names, think that you are better than others because of the color of their skin. That sounds like hate of others to me and not love.
I love my Celtic heritiage. I want to perserve and honor it. There is nothing stoping us Celtic people from living and passing on our traditions to the next generation. There is nothing wrong with a Mexican family wanting to pass on their special traditions of their heritiage on to their children. All ethnic groups should be able to preserve their own tradtions. I am Catholic. We have Celtic Catholics, Mexican Catholics, Black Catholics and Catholics of all ethnic groups around the world. They are still my Catholic Brothers and Sisters, though we live in a different country. We are different, but we are still Catholic.
One WN asked if some of us have ever lived in a non White neighborhood. Yes, I lived in a Mexican neighborhood. It was not the best living situation because the people who lived near me liked to play loud Mexican music all hours of the night, when I was trying to sleep. They would sit outside and drink beer and play their loud music. The music was so loud it would shake my trailor. Let me ask you is that a Mexican thing or is it just a human thing? I came to the conclusion that some people just don’t think or have consideration for their neighbors.
Allan you are only 14 years old. I hope you will look at all sides and not just focus on what WN or CI tells you.
I would ask the CI pastor questions and he could never answer me. I would ask him to prove his statements. I would read the scripture that he told me justified those CI beliefs and I wouldn’t get the connection and ask him for another source. He would get angry and scream at me, that I was stupid or that I just didn’t want to understand CI and wouldn’t give me another source to back up his CI claim. I am not stupid. There is nothing wrong with asking someone to provide their sources to prove what they say is the truth.
You have you whole life ahead of you. I hope that you will look at all sides with an open mind and not just WN sources.
on September 25th, 2007 at 10:11 am
NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!
To ALL of the white supremacists who think we should have a race war,did you know that whites of European descent only make up 16% of the worlds population? That’s roughly a little over a billion give or take. A well known trait of a white supremacist in America especially is someone who is afraid to broaden their horizons and get out and see the world,they have no idea what is out there. THEY ARE AFRAID OF WHAT IS DIFFERENT. Would any intelligent human being o to war when outnumbered 5:1??? That’s why no one else preaches this filth besides you guys. Do us all a favor and GET A CLUE!!!
on September 25th, 2007 at 10:24 am
Articles and video exposes the racism and unequal in Jena
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20...../newsweek/
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Video about Jena posted on youtube over a month ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuoiZnr4jLY
Two arrested in noose incident near Jena
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US.....pstoryview
FBI investingating neo nazi website that posted addresses of Jena teens.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/.....na-ON.html
on September 25th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
To Hugh,
You go BOY!!! Finally someone with common sense.
on September 25th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
I’ve got a question for everyone. Why has so much attention been given to the “Jena 6″ and not to the 5 Blacks in Knoxville,TN. that actually killed two young whites? Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. Do some research for yourself.Christopher Newsom & Channon Christian(www.channonchristian.com) Read the actual local news article. Why didn’t this make headline news?
I’ll tell you why it’s because they were both killed by blacks and the national news knew that it would cause a major problem for blacks nationwide. White people it’s time to wake up and realize what is happening. The same thing happend in 1866 when the US government put blacks in power over state and local affairs. It took white people sticking together to make things better. Remember white people that you are white today because your family believed in the seperation of races. Think About it……… WHITE POWER 311
on September 25th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
I’m Black. I don’t give a shit about the Jena 6. They aren’t anything special. The white boy isn’t anything special. The case itself is special. Punishment doesn’t fit the crime. The only reason all those activists are out there is because incidents like these must not be neglected. It just doesn’t make sense to me. Yeah, the kids are dumb as dirt, but how different are they from any other teen in high school. Are they more of a threat to society than any other kids in their class? If you set off the wrong button in any persons mind I’m sure they would react the same way. Of course they should be punished for what they did to that young man. There is no way on God’s green earth that the one’s who did the damage could be let off.
Bill…quit whining like a schoolgirl. You and everyone else in the free world knows that blacks are on television constantly for committing a crime. Like that hasn’t caused enough problems for blacks. The news isn’t looking out for us. You don’t know what it feels like to be wondering what everyone is thinking of you at the moment just cause they say another black person commit a crime on TV. The national news does not side with any race. Do yourself a favor and don’t read too much into shit like that. Quit making it a race issue. The article is just about 5 men that killed 2 men. Period. You just like adjectives huh? You give White Supremacists a bad name.
Lastly, I really just want a valid reason why people hate each other. Also why people love each other unconventionally. I understand the whole white power thing, but don’t you hate some of your own. Cause I know damn well I can’t stand some black people, or hispanic, or white, or asian. When it comes down to it…they are all just people. People do dumb shit around me or annoy me. I hate them. Not for who they are or what they believe in. But for the dumb shit they do. Hate isn’t natural man. It’s learned. I’m only 21 years old. I’m not the oldest or wisest person. Hell, you can call me a jackass. But I truly believe hate is just a waste of time. You spend all your time hating, your life will be over and what would you have accomplished? Getting more people to hate? It isn’t solving anything. Hate has been going on for centuries. Still there is no one race in charge of everything. I love white people. I love black people. I love hispanic people. I love asian people. I love people from all corners of the earth, but i hate them all EQUALLY FOR WHAT THEY DO NOT WHO THEY ARE.
on September 25th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
Wow. And not in a good way.
John Gibson claims racism in America is rare. If he weren’t lying anyway, this thread proves otherwise.
on September 25th, 2007 at 5:10 pm
Why do we all glory in our skin tone? Did any of us do anything to influence it? Did we choose it? No. All it is is melanin in varying levels.
Someone said that the Bible does not mention race. It does:
Acts 17:26 says that God created all peoples “of one blood”
Acts 10:34 says that God is no respecter of persons. That takes care of wealth, heath, “race” age and gender.
There is only one race: Human. Cultural variances do not equal different races.
To the person who asserts “there will be no whites left” If the entire race of man were homogenized, then technically their would be no “pure” Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, etc. However the genetic diversity within such a homogenized race would, given geographic population isolation, result in the creation of new combinations of “racial” characteristics.
Race is an illusion. Cultures may vary, but we are all humans, one race, one blood.
on September 26th, 2007 at 7:19 am
THE BEST ATHLETES ARE BLACK, SURGEONS WHO WERE THE FIRST TO PERFORM MAJOR OPERATIONS AND TEACH WHITES HOW TO DO IT WERE BLACK, GET A GRIP. YOUR JUST ANGRY BECAUSE WE ARE PROUD TO BE BLACK AFTER EVERYTHING THAT OUR CULTURE HAS BEEN THROUGH IN THIS COUNTRY.
GET HELP YOU PURE WHITES ARE NOT PURE AT ALL YOUR AFRICAN LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!!! HAAHAHA!
Pure ignorance. that was REALLY stupid. you really need to put down the crack pipe and get a job.
on September 26th, 2007 at 7:26 am
“Race is an illusion. Cultures may vary, but we are all humans, one race, one blood.”
that was even stupider than the other comment. All one needs to do is open their eyes, to know this retarded statement is false. But then again, white liberals aren’t exactly the sharpest pencils in the pencil box, and are usually the first to verbally fellate “black people” who according to them, don’t exist, as race doesn’t exist.
Note how “race does not exist” but “white people oppress blacks” are usually mumbled by the same people. I don’t know how a person can hallucinate both and chew gum and walk upright at the same time. But given my real world experience with these types, it’s amazing that they can function at all. Too much LSD in the 60s? You’re guess is as good as mine.
on September 26th, 2007 at 7:29 am
“Bill…quit whining like a schoolgirl.”
This from a negro – one of a group of people who never quit whining about slavery and “why’ ‘pression’ n’ chit. Slavery?
Boo hoo, quit your whining. Cry me a river, poor poor blacks
on September 26th, 2007 at 8:05 am
“John” was overheard commenting
“Culture war” happens to be one of those more pathetic bromides Fox News Channel, among other channels of conservative prolefeed, is pushing as a “non-issue” more than anything.
The kind of “non-issue,” methinks, as serves to only distract the attention of a target audience of the poor, undereducated/homeschooled and easily-influenced from The Big Picture (e.g., the failings of a misguided war against International Terrorism, the further polarisation between rich and poor, that sort of thing).
on September 26th, 2007 at 8:08 am
I was taught that before you open your mouth to speak choose your words wisely, for the deadliest weapon you posses is your tongue. I don’t care who you are or what you beleive, I hope everyone out there knows that there is a GOD who is the creator of all things different and alike, and he hears and see’s everything. And one day there will not be anyone standing next to you, not your Black brothers, your White or Mexican brothers, and you will have to answer for everything you did and said on earth. I hope everyone will take this into consideration the next time you open your mouth to spew negativity and hate. Remember you are dying daily, and this world is only temporary, don’t be of it, just live in it. God bless you all no matter what your opinions.
Signing Off for Good
26 year old African American, Human, God Loving, People Loving Individual!!!
on September 26th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
Justin, you sound intelligent so you must understand, it is about race. Just say it. A bunch of White men get accused of raping a black woman, automatically its a race thing. Turns out they didnt do it, by the womans own words, but it was headlines as a race issue. If anywhere more than one White man jumps a black man and beats him, its considered to be race related. But here we have all of these recent crimes of (each one) several blacks attacking one or two Whites, sometimes doing horrible things, and they are not considered race related. Dont you see a a problem with that?? Dont you see that because of that fact, White men are starting to get a bit ticked off and want to express their feelings about these “so called” hate crime laws??
on September 26th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
as much as people say this is not about race, it is. If 6 white guys jumped a black kid like that, i am well sure that al sharpton would be there calling for the 6 white to be tried as adults for the maximum punishment. Its very rare that I would agree with any white supremacist group about such matter, but, this is very clearly wrong. Its wrong that the 6 black kids get away with attempted murder just becoz they claim racial injustice. What injustice? Is it not illegal for six people to beat someone unconcsious? Kicking someone in the head IS attempted murder. I know the laws of self defense. Maybe al sharpton should talk to the family of justin barker. What about how they feel? How come they haven’t been able to have a voice? It IS about race. Remember OJ Simpson?
on September 26th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Seriously…WTH???
Racism is not an illusion…all you have to do is open your eyes and look at what’s going on around the world. Racism is everywhere, and it’s so damn annoying.
‘Black power’? No. ‘White power’? Still a no.
Why are we fighting for power? I’m not going to sit here and feed you any ‘let’s all be friends’ bullshit, because if that was going to work, it would have by now. All I know is that all this hate is going to destroy the world, blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, whatever other race you may be. There are more important things to worry about! Just give everyone their basic human rights, damn it! Everyone is human, you know. We all have 46 chromosomes in our DNA, we all bleed, we all feel, we’re all born the same way, we all die, and (apparently) we all hate. Why? Seriously, it’s getting so old. I’m pissed that it’s getting dragged down into our generation. It’s like we need this. Hate is turning into our drug. What would we do without all this gossip? Face it, without drama, there’d be nothing to talk about.
Grow up. This isn’t middle school. All this shit is ruining lives and destroying our country. To all races: GET OVER YOURSELVES!! You’re more than just your race.
on September 26th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Terd Ferguson wrote
“I hope by “supremacy websites” you are including the NAACP, La Raza and other racist sites.
For those of you who still get your information from public television:
NAACP stands for – National Association for the ADVANCEMENT of COLORED people. In other words, blacks are “supreme” and screw everyone else.
NEWSFLASH: It is possible to advance a race/generation of people without screwing everyone else. If you think really hard, you might get it.
From the NAACP website: The mission of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate racial hatred and racial discrimination.
Where does is say African-Americans are surpreme? Just throwing out generalizations instead of heaven forbid, reading about an organization. *gasp* How convenient.
He/She also wrote:
“…but wait…. I’m just a pastey, cracker, honkey, mick, what do I know? I don’t belong to any race-based organizations, but I’m automatically labeled racist because of the color of my skin.”
*sigh* NOBODY called you racist, but if you want to call yourself names, feel free. The only thing I would call you is sadly UNINFORMED.
on September 27th, 2007 at 11:31 am
Mike, do you really believe that? They aren’t crying about slavery….they’re crying about the “white man bringing them down.” hahaha I laugh whenever I hear bitching and moaning about oppression from blacks. The white man is so fearful of anything different from him so he tries to destroy it. The white man is a coward. What are you so afraid of? You almost did the job with the Native Americans, but through all the bullshit we’re still here. A lot of my people may be struggling, but that’s part of life. I rest my head easy at night because when I go home to my bleach-blond haired, German-Irish wife… I scream out WHITE POWER.
on September 27th, 2007 at 11:41 am
Justin, you sound intelligent so you must understand, it is about race. Just say it. A bunch of White men get accused of raping a black woman, automatically its a race thing. Turns out they didnt do it, by the womans own words, but it was headlines as a race issue. If anywhere more than one White man jumps a black man and beats him, its considered to be race related. But here we have all of these recent crimes of (each one) several blacks attacking one or two Whites, sometimes doing horrible things, and they are not considered race related. Dont you see a a problem with that?? Dont you see that because of that fact, White men are starting to get a bit ticked off and want to express their feelings about these “so called” hate crime laws??
I understand it completely but the thing about it is that everyone WANTS to see race. That’s all we are accustomed to seeing. Fuck that broad. I’m a man first. And as a man I would hate to be put in that position. Writers are writers and they have to use details for everything. The major details are always race, sex, age. People never see the big picture with these things. They hear blacks did this to whites or whites did this to blacks. I can’t stop the way the media portrays it. But it goes both ways I can tell you honestly it does. I’m black…and I live in Miami. Recently some jackass (he was black) was about to get stopped for a routine traffic violation and he pulled out an automatic rifle and shot about 5 cops and killed one. I saw that my jaw dropped and all i could think of was aww shit he’s making our name worse as if it weren’t bad already. It is extremely race related because we walk around knowing that everyone is afraid of us or they don’t trust us or they think we are all criminals. And I’m sure when something comes on TV and it shows some white people attacking or doing something to some blacks then all you can think about is wow now everyone is gonna hate me because they think i’m racist just like those guys on tv must have been. this media nonsense is a complete mind game. don’t let the media dictate who you are friends with or what you wear and how you act. I’m black but that doesn’t mean i only listen to rap. I have a lot of white friends and they don’t all listen to country. just be yourselves and try not to be too misguided by the bullshit
on September 27th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
Open season on Young back men North and South. The police kills under color of law. States Attorneys ,Judges put them in jail We can no longer allow our people to be fearful of the devils.
on September 27th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Dave said,
on September 23rd, 2007 at 6:29 am
WHO cut down the tree? What a stupid idiot! The tree did NOTHING! Who says the rope did anything? IDIOTS! The blacks DID do something! Attempted MURDER! If they are set free then you will see something! Who do these idiots think they are, ATTEMPTED MURDER and they want to get off scott free! They are IDIOTS!!! WHO let the other FIVE OFF???? That is a travesty of justice! If they were all in attendance at the ATTEMPTED MURDER of the student ALL OF THEM SHOULD STAND TRAIL for ATTEMPTED MURDER of the man! Where IS the FBI???? Where is JUSTICE!!!!!!!!! HANG THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!! Better yet, FRY THEIR BUTTS or give them the NEEDLE!!! Any of all of the above fit the crime! Also, give this to the IDIOT who cut down the beautiful TREE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who died and made you GOD? Who are you to convict anyone? You do not have a jail, a heaven or a hell to put anyone in! HOW CAN YOU LIVE WITH SO MUCH HATE IN YOUR HEART? HOW CAN YOU SAY YOU LOVE GOD, BUT HATE YOUR BROTHER WHOM YOU SEE EVERYDAY? THERE IS A SPIRITUAL WARFARE GOING ON AND RACE IS USED AS A TACTIC FOR SATAN. I PRAY THAT GOD HAS MERCY ON YOUR SOUL BECAUSE WHETHER YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IT OR NOT, JESUS IS COMING BACK AND ON THAT DAY; RACE WILL NOT MATTER. SO WHAT WILL YOU DO THEN?
on September 27th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
Here’s most of the story which I have not read on here:
In September of 2006, a black student asked permission from school administrators to sit under the shade of a tree that is commonly reserved for the enjoyment of the white students of the school.
School officials allegedly told the black students that it was ok to sit wherever they wanted and they went ahead and did so. The next day, three nooses, in the school colors, were found hanging from the same tree.
After an investigation, the Jena high school principal determined that three white students (members of the school rodeo team) were responsible and it was recommended that they be expelled. The expulsions would subsequently be overturned by the white superintendent of schools and issued the students a three day suspension, saying that the nooses were simply “a youthful stunt.”
As a result, black students organized a sit-in under the tree to protest the soft treatment given to the white students. African American parents tried to voice their opinions and were repeatedly shot down.
The town’s district attorney quickly arrived, flanked by police officers, and told the Black students to stop making such a big deal over the nooses. The school assembly, like the schoolyard where all of this had begun, was divided by race, with the Black students on one side and the white students on the other. Directing his remarks to the Black students, District Attorney Reed Walters said, “I can make your lives disappear with a stroke of a pen.”
In November, tension was still high and the academic wing of the school burned in a fire. An attack ensued outside of school where the assailant, a white student, was charged with simple battery after an black student was punched and beaten with beer bottles.
Hostilities grew.
On Monday, December 4 2006, a white student named Justin Barker got into a fight with Black students. Allegedly, the white student had been allegedly racially taunting the black students in support of the students who hung the nooses and was reportedly taken to the hospital treated and released. Barker was well enough to attend a party that night.
Six Black Jena students (Mychal Bell, Robert Bailey Jr., Carwin Jones, Bryant Purvis, Theo Shaw and Jesse Beard) were subsequently arrested and charged with attempted second degree murder. All six were expelled from school. On the morning of the trial, the District Attorney reduced the charges from attempted second degree murder to second degree aggravated battery and conspiracy.
The all-white jury deliberated for less than three hours and found Mychal Bell, the only one charged as an adult, guilty on the maximum possible charges of aggravated second degree battery and conspiracy. He awaits a Sept. 20 sentencing hearing. Mychal Bell faces up to a maximum of 22 years in prison. The cases against the other five Black students are pending.
Did the black students do something bad? Yes.
Did white students do anything bad? Yes. Twice in fact (at least). But nothing happened to them as far as any kind of punishment like getting expelled from school.
Please know the whole story before you pass judgement on the black students. There is a double standard in Jena, period.
- Vic
on September 27th, 2007 at 5:46 pm
Just think that possibly in less than a hundred years people like Robert Moore and his followers will be a thing of the past. Their way of thinking will be finally done and over with. Their attempts to ensure their legacy and ideology of hatted and violence will be relegated to the history books. Sure they may infect some with their hated i.e. their children and etc. But as we have seen they can’t rely on that either.
Thank goodness the millennial generation is more open-minded, tolerant, and yes, liberal! Just as slave owners and racists of the past would probably shudder at the progress we’ve made so too will be the thought process we will have when we read about Mr. Moore in the future. Progress is slow but progress is made and it’s not on their side; not by a long shot.
on September 27th, 2007 at 7:33 pm
As I live n breathe, insanity has a name…white supremacy.
How small (in spirit) can these people be? Just a bunch of angry disgruntled white men whose only hope to feel good about themselves is the easy way out, rather than the hard work it takes to actually BECOME someone great, they put down those they THINK are beneath them. Who has been doing what? Morris Dees is doing God’s work but lets face it, not all white people are like him, not all any people are like him the his crew. As for any white supremacist who might be reading this, Black men werent the ones who invented neutron bombs, atomic and hydrogen bombs or mx missile either..and it isnt because they arent capable either. Who is killing and who is simply trying to survive?
on September 27th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Bishop,
May i ask what you are a Bishop of?
on September 27th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
Justin,
Yes, the jewsmedia does play the race card more than us “supremests” do. I would say it is all a means to an end for them, would’nt you agree? Imagine the headlines when a riot or race war erupts!
on September 27th, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Mr. Robert Moore I think I need to provide your comment to the league in charge of rebuilding Katrina seeing you are getting government money. They should not be allowing anyone with racist tendencies to earn a buck from our government. I feel anyone that shows disrespect to another human being should not be allowed to use my tax dollars to earn a living.
on September 28th, 2007 at 8:47 am
Here’s what strikes me: In all of SPLC’s coverage of this story, there is no mention of the one violent event that actually took place – the brutal beating of Justin Barker by six other boys, some of whom already had criminal records.
I hate racists and anti-semites, but you are just the other side of the coin.
on September 28th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
klaliffia,
I totally agree with you there. This is why I try not to watch the news. Too full of bullshit.
on September 28th, 2007 at 7:06 pm
Hey Vic C,
Wheres the back-up to your tale? I see no links to articles or anything to prove your side of the story. Sounds like a cover-up for the hoods that beat that boy. Whatever happened to a fair fight-one on one???? Where is the reason so many had to jump one???? Got a tale for that too???? Im not saying its ALL a tale but it sure is one sided sounding. I dont believe for a minute that in todays liberal school system there would be school officials that “insensitive” to black feelings. So tell us, was that from an official report, a news article, were you there, or is it an embelishment by you??
on September 29th, 2007 at 6:20 am
The bottom line is that no violence is necessary at all, now what the those black kids did to that white boys is totally wrong, and should not have stooped down to that level of barbarianism. But understood, that they must protect. Now these white supremists, they need to take thier potato-picking protestant cowardly asses back to england where they will become slaves again and be mistreated under the equality of justice. Its all learned behavior, whites were slaves before any blacks were, but i think they fail to remember that, and if you believe in Christ, you know that Jesus Christ is a Jew, so a reality check for these white supremists in America, If you believe in God, you know in the book of Genesis, God said he created all men in his image…… if the preceding statement is true, then God is a white supremist also, but he created Jews,Poles,Africans etc. So ya’lls theory into believing in Jesus Christ is a crock of crap, he is a merciful God, he brought white folk out of slavery as he did black folk, and if you remember correctly, as many consider Jews of the white race, africans enslaved Jews for 40 yrs alot longer than slavery was in america, so you white supremists check your history before you just fly off any random BS. I Pray that all injustice in all this Jena, LA mess is resolved soon, so this country can move forward……
on September 29th, 2007 at 1:00 pm
I am horrified by what I have read in this article. I am in shock. Just when I think I have read it all, my fellow human beings continue to shock me with their vile and pathetic beliefs. How can anyone look themselves in the mirror with they think this way? Where does that level of hatred come from? Why must they carry such hate for others? I am absolutely mortified and yet so thankful for the Southern Poverty Law Center and their work. I am so very much proud to a member of this great and important organization. With everyone’s strength united, we will prevail.
on October 1st, 2007 at 10:23 pm
I am so sick of Black people talking about loving those that hate them with a viciousness of supremacists, jihadists and Satanists. They need to love themselves first. The pacifists in the south are sickening and instead of outrage there are constant references to the bible. That is casting pearls before swine. Instead of sucking up to racists, you need to condemn the Islamics running around in this country, for hating Jews. You need to realize NO ONE else is following hate crimes and hate groups in this country BUT the Jewish people. The blacks walking around today, minus a few, make me want to puke. You need some righteous indignation, like Jesus had in the temple. He didn’t go in there spouting bible verses, he went in angry at the injustices taking place and overthrew tables, calling them appropriate names and taking charge over evil, which is what it is, pure, unadulterated evil. They are bad people, those racists. They are Satan’s minions. You get the country you deserve putting up with this evil and aggression. Why are not black organizations joining up with the SPLC? Please. Call it what it is, cowardice and fear. Stop spewing scripture and hoping these animals will change. Protect yourselves, get informed and get involved with the side of good. Sitting on the fence is pathetic.
on October 1st, 2007 at 10:31 pm
White supremacists aren’t all of the things people on this thread are calling them. They are mean-spirited, hate-filled and self-righteous killers. They have no consciences, no guilt and they hate you on a level that you will never understand. They are determined to rid the earth of you and if they can get away with it and not suffer legal consequences they will do whatever they wish. You should not try to understand them because there is nothing to understand except the truth of what they are. They hate with the same intensity that you feel apathy, until a Jena. When you are downloading your tunes from the Internet, laughing with your friends, walking around thinking you are in a fair and just society, they are scheming to destroy you and yours. Read “People of the Lie”, read about the Gauls and you will begin to scratch the surface of what you are dealing with. Thank God for SPLC. If I were rich, I’d give them most of my money. Forget those stupid songs like we are the world. The world is full of more hate than love. Just look at Dafur, look at Islam and look at White Racism, world wide. Type it into you tube and feast on truth, if you dare.
on October 1st, 2007 at 10:31 pm
Why is it that whites cannot be proud of their race?
I served 20 years in the Military and saw special meals, posters, even celebratory exibits for Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics, but never, never for Caucasians – even an all inclusive label of European Heritage.
Blacks have their own clubs, their own magazines, their own Television Networks, their own Television show, their own papers.
Other races have them also, but to a lesser extent – wait till the illegal border crossers become more numerous and their cry for a bigger piece of the civil rights pie will grow louder.
Let a white person want any of those clubs, magazines, networks, shows, or papers, and all the socialistic liberals as well as the media will cry white supremacy – it never ends.
Blacks can be racists also.
I know, I had to work with a majority of blacks while getting started working for a City. Those blacks would spew racial crap against whites all day long right in front of me.
So, please spare me the Poor Poor Black MYTH. Every race wants to be proud of their own race.
LET ME BE PROUD OF BEING WHITE, and not have to endure the celebration of your race by the U.S. Government. If I want to celebrate your non-white race, let it be of my own free will.
on October 3rd, 2007 at 10:15 am
This is in response to what Roderick had to say. Not all people who think that the blacks need to get their acts together are religious. I am not at all. And jews are not at all considered white!!! They have big noses, black curly hair, and a very odd skull shape. And jews have been hated by every civilization on the planet!
Now, what the “Reverends”Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are doing is so much more damaging to their race and are just destroying their already ruined credibility. The black kids from Jena need to be tried accordingly, and there needs to be no mercy given what so ever. Black kids have such an advatage in this country. If you are a middle of the road white male, you have a much harder road to travel in this life than the black people these days. I know that this was not always so, but it sure as hell is now.
Now I do not align myself with most of the slack jawed booger eating hillbillies that are out there reciting bible passages and having intercourse with their cousins. I actually accept blacks as people on a case by case basis. And I speak for everyone when I say that we could all get along much better if the black male would take a little resposibility in this world. ie actually try to raise a few of the children that you have created with multiple women instead of letting the government raise them for you!
Bottom line: Al Sharpton is a racist, as is Jesse Jackson. All men need to be held accountable for their actions. I don’t care if you were raised in poverty. You do the crime, you do the time. Take some responsibility.
on October 3rd, 2007 at 9:51 pm
IS THIS A RACIST NAZI WEBSITE IN DISGUISE?What MAKES THE Southern poverty law center suspicious is that they are reportedly on the search for supposedly hate groups.
When i read such statements.The first thing that comes to my mind is the Nazis controlling free speech before that demonic org. started killing innocent people.
on October 3rd, 2007 at 9:57 pm
to the author “Tom” whose mighty whiteness shone through like a beacon.
“I actually treat black people as peopel on a case by case basis”
Woooooow, are you THAT deluded that you cant see your OWN racism? Reality check dude, that is what you are supposed to be doing all along.
“…if the black male would take responsibility in this world…”
It is now 11:52PM, I woke up at 6AM Wednesday for work and am just getting home. A telephone cable failure in my area kept me and 3 white guys busy all night. In your ‘mighty whitness’ you seemed to lump ALL Black males into one category…that’s racism dude. My respnsibilty to my family and my eployer are why I have been up all this time, not because I like fixing phone lines for ungrateful people whiles standing in a ditch in the dark.
Get your head out of your azz while you still have a modicum of self respect.
And BTW, why do White people always keep trying to say so-and-so is the ‘leader of the Blacks’ and speaks for all of them. NO ONE speaks for me but me.
on October 3rd, 2007 at 10:59 pm
first of all i have plenty of white friends and family members so when i talk or say something negative about them its not about all of them, its about the ignorant inbred hillbillies that call themselves americans. you fly that rebel flag in the name of “heritage”. this is not where you come from, there is no “heritage” in being racist only hate. heritage is something passed down generation to generation like farming or a good set of tools. all you do is simply pass down an intangible belief that all races are inferior to yours. you are no better than the terrorist that attack this country or attempt to attack it. the only difference is that at least they will own up to it. you attack the moral fiber of this country on a daily basis thus creating a watch over your shoulder society on both sides. i am an american and as much as i would love to know something about where i came from i am not going back to africa. i was born here my mother and father were born here my grandparents and great grandparents were born here, this is my heritage, born under god and old glory the stars and stripes forever! not the defeated and utterly humiliated cowards who surrendered to the north stars and bars. THE OLD SOUTH IS DEAD and will forever be DEAD never to rear its ugly head again except through a few assholes like those hate mongers that i mentioned earlier. oh and by the way you have proved beyond the shadow of a doubt the cowards that you are. these are kids there is no reason for a grown man to go around shooting kids, if you feel an injustice was done then instead of you going to take care of it what you need to do is send six kids of yours over there of comparable ages to fight them, i don’t think you will be satisfied with that outcome either. we are not the same people from the sixties that you can walk up to and call us niggers and we just walk away not wanting any trouble. believe me we will return the favor. so continue your cowardess ways by picking on our women and children, we will get you. through the laws of this great country of course just as the jena 6 did. and as far freedom of speech goes, yes it is your constitutional right. but speech that provokes violence or danger is not constitutional. so what those boys did by hanging nooses in that tree or on the back of pikup trucks was wrong. both sides should have used better judgement, but then again would we even be talking about this if they just hadn’t hung the damned nooses!
on October 4th, 2007 at 1:04 pm
what a melting pot to be living in these days and time.ignorance ranks supreme. not knowing facts. we are all apart of this agent 9 fidicuary corporation. artifical person 14th admendment slavs or subject with no unalienable rights. please wake the f—k-up. birthrights have been stolen .contracted out by way of your signatures.you guys r state property. and really don’t have a clue as to what this great country is all about (SOVEREIGNTY). LOVE TRUTH PEACE FREEDOM ANDJUSTICE
on October 4th, 2007 at 9:00 pm
How is White Pride a racist titel?
on October 6th, 2007 at 11:48 am
Where were Al, Jesse, and King to organize a March for the “Long Beach 3″? The three young white women unprovokedly sexually harassed and then attacked and beaten to a pulp by a black mob at a Halloween festival in Long Beach CA last year. Yes, it was a hate crime, the attackers yelled racial epithets. Nope, the national lamestream media did not latch on and never let go like they did for Mychal Bell, a juvenile repeat offender who needed to have been shipped off to a juvenile facility (for the protection of his own neighborhood) after his second or even third violent offense.
Let’s see, now, if people had organized a, “Justice for the Long Beach Three” organization to raise money and protest on behalf of the slap on the wrist in juvenile court that the attackers of the “Long Beach Three” received, your organization would have been the first to smear the group nationwide as white supremacist hate organization, anarchical and dangerous to national security and civil peace.
Just as an aside, did you know that those who came out to clean up the cosmic mess of paper litter and stewn water bottles in Jena the day after the big, “non-violent march,” were virtually all white people many of whom were white students? A subtle thing about civic pride, but kind of speaks volumes.
Not reporting for jury duty (as those blacks summoned for the Mychal Bell trial) speaks volumes about apathy unless inflamed by twisted rhetoric. People who do not participate in their own government when specifically called upon to do so, have absolutely NO right to complain about miscarriages of justice. Dr. King and other REAL civil rights leaders, suffered and some died for that privilege.
on October 7th, 2007 at 12:36 am
I cannot belive some of the garbage you people belive. Please, go read the bible. Then maybe you can write a post that is based on truth.
on October 7th, 2007 at 7:15 pm
It is about race. You dont see it being put on T.V. and in the newspapers about the poor kids that dont hang out with rich kids. We all should have went to school and we all know that there is an in crowd and a out crowd they dont hang around each other so what was the big deal about the blacks not hanging out under the tree what if it was preppy kids and they hated on a not so preppy kid would we still get the same reaction NO WE WOULD NOT I think everyone should grow up If you do the crime Then you should do the time.I could care less what color you are And all you guys bringing the bible into this ,IT IS THE LAW NOT THE BIBLE and who says the boys hung the noose for that reason that does not give 6 people the right to beat and kick the boy the way they did and like I will say again They done the crime then let them do the time.If all of these people would put all this effort into getting the drugs and guns out of the schools our kids would get a better education!!!!!!!
on October 7th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
Jam: You don’t have either story correct and you are spouting off your mouth based on your own biases. Those kids were wrong but the white girls have the whole system on their side= they are white. And if you were out there, like all of the other whites who DID NOTHING- you’d do nothing either.
In fact, A passerby — who was also black — went into the mob and drew the attackers off of the girls, the Press-Telegram reported.
“He went in there and started taking people off the dog pile,” Long Beach police Sgt. David Cannan told the Los Angeles Times. “That guy was able to go in and do something others couldn’t do. He stepped in. I hope he gets some recognition.”
The name of the Good Samaritan has not been released.
Why didn’t you mention that Jam?
Now: Jesse and Sharpton are there for those not represented in the system, not represented by a country. The issue was that the Jena 6 protested the white tree and were warned. The issue was that white kids beat several blacks and pulled a shot gun with no charges being leveled. That is the issue, not some forum for some half-witted conservative unable to think for himself, with the same tired party line and half truths. More than blacks were there for those boys because of the disparate treatment under the law. That is the issue, JAM. As for Mychal Bell: you don’t even know what happened when he was charged in the past. The thing is, I am in the south and it is very, very racist. La is one of the worst states and everyone knows it.
on October 17th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
All of you people are nuts. Get a life. ALL of those kids were punks.Racist white kid gets stomped by racist black kids. Big deal.Maybe they will cancel each other out. Another dog and pony show for the masses. Another photo op for ambulance chasers at the national level.And we wonder why the rest of the world hates us.
on October 17th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
First of all, the act of hanging nooses in that tree should be considered as nothing less than a veiled threat, thus illegal. Second of all, the Black kids were threatened, harassed, intimidated, and even assaulted on several occasion by White kids. The law handled the White kids with kid’s gloves. Then the Black kids were harassed and called racial epithet and finally those Black kids snapped and ended attacking the one White kid who have been among those harassing and calling them names. The law handled those Black kids with iron fists.
Yes, Reed Walters is correct that the Lord Jesus Christ kept the riot from happening. No, the Lord Jesus Christ did not come as police officers, but rather thru the organizers of the protest demonstrators who called for a peaceful demonstration.
May God bless all those who call for justice to come for the Jena 6 defendents.
on October 18th, 2007 at 7:50 am
Sadly in these cases…Al Sharpton and Jesses Jackson grandstand the issues til they are no longer garnering press, inflame recial tensions they get some press time, rasie some money, get on CNN…and they leave..
I am still waiting for Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to apologize for the Duke Case. These two men have ruined their own reputations for credibility and in effect minimize the credibility of legitamet accusations of racism.
Time and time again they have reacted half cocked shooting there big mouths off wiht little or no accurate information and then run away when it is shown to be so.
Sharpton and Jackson should be shunned by the media on all levels..and treated as nothing more than a sick comedy act, news filler for jaded journalists…
on October 18th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
P. Combs:
The Duke case has nothing to do with this. But since you brought it up, no sane black person sees an attorney general’s opinion, about a case, as a jury verdict. The grand jury was willing to try these boys and a southern good ole boy said no. That is about as much as you know about their real guilt or non-guilt. In this country, the system is as corrupt as in any other so you need to stop grandstanding.
With respect to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, you need to understand something that apparently people like you don’t. Everyone has a country that defends the interests of their people. The American Indians, or native Americans had to finally establish Sovereign nations in order to protect themselves from the likes of you. When the Korean fellow killed the students in Va tech, the white media began to do what they are famous for, racialize the crime. Korea stood up, called the white house, and the word was sent out to back off of the racialization of the crime, thus the backlash against Koreans. When China began mistreating thousands of African students, enrolled in Master’s and PhD. programs in China, a West African president flew to China to investigate. Once he substantiated the disparate conditions for his citizens, and those of other African nations, he threatened to cut all ties with China, with respect to trade. China changed their tune. When American attempt to go after Mexican immigrants, Vicente Fox, and the now President of Mexico steps in. An example is when America decided to issue special cards to all Mexican immigrants but not to do so with Canadians coming across, illegally, from the other border. He understood that it is an issue of nonwhites populating this country vs. whites. The Feds stopped in their tracks. Mexicans have a country, just as do all immigrants to this country. Black Americans, on the other hand have no country, no one to stand up for them when they suffer racism in America. There are no boundaries defining a sovereign nation. There are no councils, presidents, congresses or representatives speaking for them. There is no justice system that is blind to their race and designed to met out justice, as there is for whites. There is no Constitutional protection for blacks as being part of “we the people”, for they vote and exist by amendment, by statutes and not by the fabric of this country’s supreme law. For blacks there are civil rights not inalienable rights. There is not right to vote by right but by privilege and privileges are granted by man, whereas inalienable rights by God. So who will speak for the black man? Who will stand up for his rights, when injustice, ingrained in the very institution called America, called the United States of America, finds his way into his right to pursue liberty and freedom? There are no resources, no educational system equal to that of even the foreigners. When the feds through HUD created ghettos and suburbs, for blacks and then whites, from tax dollars, basing it on race, who was their to say, no, that is wrong? Who was there to say to the returning WW2 vets, those black men fought for America, work in America, were born in America and are American, and they should not be placed in ghetto housing with substandard education, with substandard living conditions when whites are using the same tax dollars for the housing visions of F. Lloyd Wright? And when the NAACP stood up, and the blacks marched, did anything change? Therefore, Jesse and Al are the appointed representatives of black America, good or bad. They are appointed by the white establishment as the voices, the “country” ambassadors for blacks, for without them, whites run amok. It is in their nature to run amok, to feel entitled to all America has to offer, regardless of the time they’ve been citizens, regardless of their educational attainment and regardless of their character. Blacks have no country. But, besides Jesse and Al, there are agencies like the Southern Poverty Law center, and people like Tim Wise, and others who hate injustice and hypocrisy. And there are others, who like the abolitionists of old, stand up, and shout, and say when wrong is wrong, for a people without a voice and even for those with a voice but no power. For the blacks in America with no resources, no unity and no country, Jesse and Al stand.
on October 18th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
Sister DEE, Thanks for the illogical diatribe and how dare you..make such presumptions.
First, my grandmother was black on one side and my other grandmother was half French and Algonquin Indian on the other ..and you are a hatefull bigot and full of excuses for bad behavior. Your assumptions of who I am like many in these debates are often if not always wrong when making assumtions.
On both sides of the Jena case the kids behaved badly..the black kids, one of whom was at the center is well on his way to being a careeer criminal and the white boys are pure trash as well. I won’t defend either and in time they will all be doing time together most likely.,..
My point was, Al and Jesse don’t represent “THE BLACK Community”, what an insult. Only the ill educated members of the black community who think they matter listen to them. Jesse and Al have done more to damage race relations in the last 20 years than help.
Your personal attack is so full of nonsense and rage I suggest you get some help. These days very often a minorities biggest enemy are themselves.
As for the Duke case, the Grand Jury indicted because the DA with held evidence that proved innocence, not to mention DNA and that the “victim” recanted ALL her testimony. Her OWN family said she lied. Still claiming a crime was committed on that score only makes you look ignorant. Its hard to know what happened there..but rape sure didn’t. Even the DA himself admitted he misled the public..and plead guilty..
Defending the indefensable is never defensable..
Peter
on October 20th, 2007 at 1:26 am
When the dollar crashes how will you be able to distinguish yourself from others? Blood, the spilling of blood. But this too is not sustainable, so more blood. Given how corporations are openly destroying our planet what fruit shall come from generating ANOTHER white state? If you set out to reverse what is happening w/ the downward pressure on wages and the impact of the western lifestyle on the environment you would have to recognize the power of unions and general movements of solidarity/sovereignty which IS counter to generating a white state. If you say that this is not true then you are lieing. “We have to save the planet”, is not an opinion. You cant have your cake and eat it too. You wont be able to save ANYTHING in the same breath that you desire this white state, this is how we got here in the first place. For example, you might hate mexicans…the immagration problem. But I cant talk to you about ‘free trade’ policies, which, argueably(sp) precipatated those mexicans coming here…you’d rather, it seems, look at this issue in a more romantic way…”mexicans are lower than…”, you get the picture. It is a complex issue but you are offended that this is so. So blood, the spilling of blood. But this too is not sustainable, so more blood. Remember years ago, the day you realized how subtraction worked(i.e. 55- 14= 41), do you remember that? Subtraction was always a true science throughout human history. Well, remember the proverbial day before you realized it—this is THAT day. Please understand that certain things are true even if you cant accept it. This white state, white power, white might, will never work. And the only evidence that it would is the spilling of blood, which again isnt sustainable.
on October 21st, 2007 at 9:14 am
You are the bottom of the barrel and know one cares about you. The world is bigger than some dumb ass white boys who are angry because the world is passing you by.
Go to school learn history, reading writing and arithmetic, your appearance, mentality and most importantly your spirit will change.
STOP being the intolerant, beer drinking fools that your forefathers were….White Power ended the day Custer got his ass kicked at the Little Big Horn….But you would have to be educated to know that, huh.
on October 21st, 2007 at 12:03 pm
P. Combs: My piece was not a diatribe nor was it illogical. It was completely logical, something you would see if you quelled your emotions. It makes perfect sense. Like Doctor Phil says, you can not fix what you do not acknowledge. If some black people do not appreciate the efforts of the white-appointed leaders, and make no mistake, they are white appointed, then do something about it, like colorofchange dot org and Eric Dyson, are doing. The concept that seemed to escape your eyes was that of a country. The value and force of a country with respect to the rights and privileges of a people. Regardless of what you personally think of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, they are the only men standing between regression of America’s acting-out of its hatred of blacks and other non-whites and America’s going forward. Ad hominem attacks are worthless if you cannot deal with the arguments. I have complete confidence in my opinions and you have a right to your own. Engaging in abusive ranting however is beneath me. Thank you very much. As to the rape case, you were not there.
on October 21st, 2007 at 9:30 pm
I have never been more disgusted to be a part of the human race as I was after reading the comments posted here.
To all the people who claim to be so “proud” of their race, I have a question: What are you so “proud” of? This just in…People cannot control which race they are born into! If you had actually accomplished something to become a member of a certain race, then you could be proud.
That’s also not to say that you should be ashamed of your race because, once again, you have no control over it. Just live your life and let others live theirs.
The feeling of racial superiority by anyone (of any race) is a mental illness. Get some help to figure out why your life is so meaningless and sad that you have to blame your problems on others.
on October 22nd, 2007 at 8:11 am
Dee,
Avoiding reality seems to be your best suit a few years ago when Bill Cosby implied that the Black Community needed to own its issues and take responsibility for them…he was nearly ran out of town for just saying it.
Despite your attempts at appearing logical, sensable and focused you have frankly failed. I was not at all emotional in my other posts, pointing out my opinions was to you a rant apparently. They were not racist. Your initial response to me was based on an assumption I was a white guy you..know the “ole boy network” ..and you felt comfortable playing the Black Victim Superiority Card..implying I had no experiencial right to comment. {Pssst Dee that attitude is RACIST towards non Black folks}
I too admire Eric Dyson deeply, he is logical, very articulate and consistant. He is a bit too much of a Socialist for me, but he is still on target and very arguably alot brighter than either Al or Jesse. .
Jesse and Al play the race card at every turn and not to the benefit of the Black Community. Yes they are speaking out, just like David Duke use to..not many white folks feel he represents them either. The only people speaking out for “White people” are in general the most disgracfull and ignorant type imaginable, regretably for the black community the same is true all too often.
Recently even Mr. Dyson demurred on commenting in support of the “victim” in the Duke Case..implying it was in fact a big blunder. Dee, when everyone admits a crime wasn’t commited {including the victim, DNA tests etc.} that facts were altered and disregarded for Political reason which the DA admitted to. Video recordings showed one of the alleged purpetrators 10 miles away when the he was supposed to have been comitting the crime by a hidden security camera at an ATM machine..Yikes..how much do you need. The girl is according to her own family “very messed up all her life”.
Credibility means consistancy. Making excuses will never work for justifying the unjust. If the only thing standing between the black community and white oppression is Jesse and Al..we’re in more trouble than I ever imagined.
We would all look alot more honest if the black community stood more solidly to clean its own house of miscreants and stopped making excuses for bad behavior..Black on Black is the real killer..every single day across this country in staggering numbers.
Yes, their are racial incidents and hate comming from BOTH sides, this only time will change along with improved societal improvements within each community.
The Black and White community BOTH need to stop making excuses for BAD Behavior..or we can all go it another couple of hundred years….
peter
on October 22nd, 2007 at 11:22 pm
P. Combs: Whites are constantly making excuses for their BAD Behavior by giving real criminals probation instead of jail sentences or when the judiciary ignores their crimes. Whites are the ones with entitlement mentalities, the major ones with mass killing problems, the ones taking business trips for pedophilia expeditions across the globe, the ones slinging amphetamines and crack in small towns across America. Instead of pointing fingers and stereotyping blacks, instead of sitting on your high horse and ignoring your own problems, you need to address your own household. He was nearly run out of town because he, like you, stereotypes the black race. I am sick and tired of self righteous people attacking blacks like they are the only ones with problems and like all of them are monolithic racialized losers. Whites, Hispanics, Asians and others all have serious problems, all over the world, but are not attacked as a race but as individuals. Intelligence would indicate that doing anything other than taking people as individuals is racist, period.
I am not making excuses for anything being that I don’t have to justify anything to you or any other self righteous idiot who sits on his high horse of hypocrisy and points fingers at imaginary blacks. It’s people like you that fuel Jesse and Al, because you couldn’t get away with attacking any other group, represented by a country or sovereign nation, you dolt. As to your perseveration about the duke case, who in the heck are you, judge Judy? Get the heck outta here you narrow minded Amerigant. Go tell Rush Limbaugh your tired story cause I am through with the likes of you. You behave badly and all those of your ilk. You are impermeable to reason or sense.
on October 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 pm
To P. Combs: From Tim Wise’s website: Recently, I was asked by someone in the audience of one of my speeches, whether or not I believed that racism–though certainly a problem–might also be something conjured up by people of color in situations where the charge was inappropriate. In other words, did I believe that occasionally folks play the so-called race card, as a ploy to gain sympathy or detract from their own shortcomings? In the process of his query, the questioner made his own opinion all too clear (an unambiguous yes), and in that, he was not alone, as indicated by the reaction of others in the crowd, as well as survey data confirming that the belief in black malingering about racism is nothing if not ubiquitous.
…Although the matter is open to debate in any or all of these cases, white folks have been quick to accuse blacks who answer in the affirmative of playing the race card, as if their conclusions have been reached not because of careful consideration of the facts as they see them, but rather, because of some irrational (even borderline paranoid) tendency to see racism everywhere. So too, discussions over immigration, “terrorist” profiling, and Katrina and its aftermath often turn on issues of race, and so give rise to the charge that as regards these subjects, people of color are “overreacting” when they allege racism in one or another circumstance http://www.zmag.org/content/sh.....emID=10157
on October 22nd, 2007 at 11:31 pm
Turning Injustice into a Game of Chance: The Origins of Race as “Card”
from: http://www.zmag.org/content/sh.....emID=10157
First, let us consider the history of this notion: namely, that the “race card” is something people of color play so as to distract the rest of us, or to gain sympathy. For most Americans, the phrase “playing the race card” entered the national lexicon during the O.J. Simpson trial. Robert Shapiro, one of Simpson’s attorneys famously claimed, in the aftermath of his client’s acquittal, that co-counsel Johnnie Cochran had “played the race card, and dealt it from the bottom of the deck.” The allegation referred to Cochran’s bringing up officer Mark Fuhrman’s regular use of the ‘n-word’ as potentially indicative of his propensity to frame Simpson. To Shapiro, whose own views of his client’s innocence apparently shifted over time, the issue of race had no place in the trial, and even if Fuhrman was a racist, this fact had no bearing on whether or not O.J. had killed his ex-wife and Ron Goldman. In other words, the idea that O.J. had been framed because of racism made no sense and to bring it up was to interject race into an arena where it was, or should have been, irrelevant.
That a white man like Shapiro could make such an argument, however, speaks to the widely divergent way in which whites and blacks view our respective worlds. For people of color–especially African Americans–the idea that racist cops might frame members of their community is no abstract notion, let alone an exercise in irrational conspiracy theorizing. Rather, it speaks to a social reality about which blacks are acutely aware. Indeed, there has been a history of such misconduct on the part of law enforcement, and for black folks to think those bad old days have ended is, for many, to let down their guard to the possibility of real and persistent injury (1).
on October 22nd, 2007 at 11:32 pm
http://www.zmag.org/content/sh.....ID=10157To whites, blacks who alleged racism in the O.J. case were being absurd, or worse, seeking any excuse to let a black killer off the hook–ignoring that blacks on juries vote to convict black people of crimes every day in this country. And while allegations of black “racial bonding” with the defendant were made regularly after the acquittal in Simpson’s criminal trial, no such bonding, this time with the victims, was alleged when a mostly white jury found O.J. civilly liable a few years later. Only blacks can play the race card, apparently; only they think in racial terms, at least to hear white America tell it.
on October 22nd, 2007 at 11:38 pm
Dear Mayor Murphy McMillin,
I hear that you’re angry.
Me too.
But it appears our outrage is directed at decidedly different targets.
I, for one, am angry at the three young white men in your town who, last year, hung nooses from a tree after a black student dared sit under it, thereby touching off several months of racial tension. And I’m mad at their parents for whatever it is they taught their kids – or failed to teach them – that would allow their children to believe such a thing appropriate.
But it is not these persons who have elicited your anger.
I’m mad at the school superintendent, who declared the noose hanging an “innocent prank,” and refused to as much as criticize those responsible, let alone truly punish them.
But it is not the superintendent with whom you are upset.
I’m angry at the District Attorney, who threatened black students in Jena that he could make their lives disappear with a stroke of his pen, if they didn’t stop all the complaining about the noose incident. And I’m even more enraged by his decision to charge six young black men with attempted murder for beating up a white student (one who had been taunting them prior to the attack and whose family recently had a leader in the white supremacist movement as a guest in their home), while only charging a white man with misdemeanor battery for beating up a black kid a few days earlier.
But the D.A. is not the target of your ire. Indeed, I’m told that you two are friends. I’m angry about the conviction (since overturned) of one of the young black men, Mychal Bell, by an all-white jury, and by the utter incompetence with which his court-appointed attorney defended him–calling no witnesses to impeach the testimony of those called by the prosecution, even though there were several who had made clear they were available.
But neither the jury, nor the incompetent public defender seems to concern you, at least not enough to have inspired you to write or speak as much as one solitary sentence to that effect.
Yet, today you broke your silence and showed us all your anger, an anger that is aimed not inwardly at those in your town who openly express racism or at those who sit by silently and do nothing in the face of it, but rather, outwardly, at singer-songwriter John Mellencamp for daring to release a song about it.
You might have been a Mellencamp fan in the past. Lots of folks in small towns are, seeing as how he has long sung the virtues of such places. So long as he wrote about little pink houses, he’d have been alright by you. But with his latest release, in which he implores your town to “put away your nooses,” Mellencamp has, apparently, gone too far.
I guess you feel it isn’t fair, all this negative publicity. You (and most whites in Jena) think your town is getting a bad rap. The actions of a few, you insist, shouldn’t be allowed to paint an entire community with the broad brush of bigotry.
That’s understandable, I suppose.
Of course, I do find it interesting that neither you nor any white elected official in Jena have seen fit to label the noose-hanging a racist act and its perpetrators racists. It’s as if you can’t come to say the words, no matter how obviously they fit. Oh sure, you said the act was “hurtful,” but nothing more. And you wonder, dear sir, why 20,000 people descended on your town to let you know what they think of you?
Does it not give you pause that two-thirds of Jena’s white folks voted forneo-Nazi, David Duke in 1990 and 1991, when he ran for U.S. Senate and Governor?
Or perhaps you were among those two-thirds? After all, you did recently tell white supremacist leader Richard Barrett that you were grateful for the counterdemonstrations he’s been seeking to foment in Jena, in answer to the mostly black protests of last month.
Maybe you too supported Duke: a man who not only led the nation’s largest Ku Klux Klan group in the 1970s, but who, as head of the National Association for the Advancement of White People (with which he remained affiliated until the early 90s), called for dividing the U.S. into racial sub-nations and breeding a master race of high-IQ whites. From the back of Duke’s newsletter, he even sold books praising Nazi Germany and denying the Holocaust, but perhaps that wasn’t a big concern of yours.
Perhaps you voted for Duke, as most of your white brethren in Jena did, even though you must have heard the radio ad that was airing right up until the Gubernatorial election in 1991: the one featuring a tape recording from just five years earlier, in which Duke responded to a fellow Nazi’s boast that “Hitler started with just seven men,” by noting, “We can do it here too if we just put the right package together.”
Yes indeed, how dare John Mellencamp besmirch the good name of a town like yours, filled with such stellar exemplars of racial amity as could vote for someone like that. How dare he, and how dare we – those of us who have spoken out against the perverted system of justice you dispense in your hamlet – offer our opinions about people and places we don’t know.
But here’s the thing Mr. Mayor: we do know you.
Oh sure, Jena is not any worse than a lot of other places. And yes, it’s always easy to beat up on some little southern town, making it the presumed seedbed of everything racist, rather than seeing the racism therein as symptomatic of a larger national problem. I’ll give you that much. As a proud southerner that burns me up too.
But we know you just the same.
The one thing we know for sure, that I know as certainly as I know my own name, is that your town is filled with good Germans. The kind who, irrespective of their own racism, almost uniformly refuse to condemn the racism of their fellow citizens, fellow churchgoers, neighbors or family.
Your town is filled with people who never expressed any concern about this case until it brought them, and you, bad publicity. Some white folks now are saying that those attempted murder charges were extreme, but where were they a year ago? Nowhere to be seen or heard from, Mr. Mayor, that’s where. Mychal Bell and the other five could have rotted in jail for the rest of their lives for all you could have cared, and so long as the media never made mention of it, everything would have been fine.
Thus the lesson for today, Mayor McMillin, and please make note of it: complicity has a cost.
And here’s the sad irony embedded within that lesson – one which you and your compatriots utterly fail to recognize, and which whites have failed to understand going back to the days of slavery, when most whites didn’t own slaves, but also never spoke out against or challenged those who did: namely, that all of this could have been avoided. You and yours could have prevented it. You could have made it all go away: the angry denunciations, the demonstrators, the Reverends Sharpton and Jackson, the T-Shirts reading, “Free the Jena Six,” Mellencamp – all of it.
If you had only taken racism seriously from the beginning, none of your current embarrassment would have been made necessary. Had you stood up as whites, after those nooses were hung at the high school – had you stood up and said “We as whites are offended by this act of racial intimidation” – and called for the expulsion of the students, your town could have remained an obscure outpost, familiar to no one beyond central Louisiana.
Had you stood up to the school board – had you demanded that black students be allowed to speak at a board meeting in September, after that body refused to let them raise concerns about racial tensions at the school, because, in the mind of the white-dominated board the noose incident had been “adequately resolved” – then perhaps the issues in Jena could have been addressed, productive dialogue furthered, and you would have been able to avoid the public spotlight altogether.
Had you stood up in December of last year when that white man beat up a black student outside a party, breaking a bottle over his head, only to receive probation – had you stood up and demanded that the assault be treated like the serious crime it was – perhaps you could have remained anonymous to the rest of the world forever.
Had you stood up when a white student pulled a gun on black students outside a convenience store the next day and yet wasn’t charged (while the black kids who got the gun away from him were charged with stealing the white kid’s firearm) – had you stood up and demanded that the charges be dropped and perhaps that kids shouldn’t ride around with guns in their pickup trucks – none of this would have happened.
And had you risen up in opposition to your D.A. buddy when he charged those six young black men with attempted murder, claiming with a straight face that their tennis shoes were a deadly weapon – had you risen up and said, these charges are ridiculous, and had you sought to recall him perhaps – I assure you, Jena would have never come to the attention of anyone. And if it did, it would only have been to praise it, for having so many whites willing to stand in solidarity with their black neighbors, and demand equity and justice for all.
But you did none of this. You did nothing even remotely like it. Good Germans never do. They remain silent in the face of such things and then complain when others give them a hard time about it.
There is a cost to pay for your silence, Mayor McMillin. A cost that grows in direct proportion to the degree of your complicity. It has always been so. Had whites stood up and demanded better of our own, of ourselves, beginning centuries ago, so much about this nation’s history could have been different. Had more whites chosen to be allies to black and brown folks, joining them in resistance to oppression and domination, all the anxiety we feel now – the fear of being called racist, or thought of as such by folks of color – could have been mitigated.
That tradition, the tradition of resistance, is there Mr. Mayor, for the joining. It has always been there. And the fact that you know nothing of it – that none of the whites in Jena likely do – merely suggests the glaring failures of the American educational system, which has spent years teaching us even the smallest, most insignificant detail of our history (so long as it serves to boost the patriotic mood) but which has told us next to nothing about white antiracism through history. No wonder whites in Jena feel under siege. You don’t even realize that the fight of those 20,000 people who visited your town is your fight too. It is a fight for human liberty and justice, and one in which whites have joined with folks of color for generations. Not enough of us, to be sure, but some just the same. What’s more, it is a fight to break out of the boxes in which we as whites have been placed by our own collaboration – it’s a chance to say that we will not be defined and have our humanity limited by the weight of history and the fear of forging a new path.
You could choose to be a part of that fight. Your entire town could. If it does, you will be welcomed to the struggle, I assure you. But if you don’t, if you choose instead to remain on the side of white denial and silence and obduracy, then please know, you will pay a price. You will not escape judgment, And you will have to get used to many an article, many a speech, and many an unflattering reference in the songs of artists, all condemning your community to a special place in hell, whether viewed in literal or metaphorical terms.
And your protestations of innocence will fall like raindrops in the Seattle autumn: so common as to not even be noticed or justify so much as a moment’s consideration.
Here’s hoping that you make the right choice.
Tim Wise is an antiracist essayist, activist and educator. He is the author of White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son, and can be reached through his website at http://www.timwise.org, or at timjwise@mac.com
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http://www.zmag.org/content/sh.....emID=14068
on October 24th, 2007 at 11:32 am
Wow, I’m humbled and impressed by the eloquent, poignant and profound message just posted.
A mirror reflection of my thoughts.
I believe there are more of us “Whites” that are of these opinions than not.
Thank you Tim Wise
on October 24th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Dee,
I have re-and re-read you comments, while on some issues I agree with you..I think you utterly missed my point as you seem to get disturbed when anyone diagress with you.
For some reason you keep attacking me eveb when I comment on or re-iterate the remarks of Mr. Dyson on the Duke Case..{yes I agree with him} and Mr. Cosby’s on the general condition of things {Yes I agree with him}.
Sadly I appear to have no standing because I don’t agree with you and seeing as I am technically only half black..or half white..depending upon what I say, you keep finger pointing and lecturing as though your truth is the only truth. You also seem to think EVERYTHING you disagree with must or is racially based bigotry of some form or another..including immigration.
I can tell you that using the word[s} White and Whites as though they are dirty words or insulting is an error.
I merely mentioned alternate points of view, many of which have been expressed before by well known and well regarded figures within the black community..Why is it that you cannot address these, though you know them to be true, and only refute them by attacking me. Is it because I am “half-bred”..??? are only pure black folks ideas wanted here?..or worse yet pure black folks who agree with you?..
Debate means discussion..not trying to quell thoughts, ideas and opinions with repudiation and attacks.
If this is this case..this board is a waste of time..and does nothing but Play to the Choir….
Peter
on October 24th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
I had never heard of TIm Wise before today..On my first Google..I found this..Is this TRUE?
http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/wise.htm
He seems a bit hot headed and a bit vulgar..
Peter
on October 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Or is http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/wise.htm some whacky hate group??..they sure seem to be…Peter
on October 24th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
P. Combs: It is impossible to debate a republican conservative type. The arguments are never read but attacked, the ad hominem attacks are plentiful and the stuck on the same party lines inevitable. With respect to your race, I couldn’t care less. I am arguing in favor of ideas not individual identification. For all you know I am Asian. My points come from original and studied thoughts that I hope will lead to tangible solutions. The problem is that everyone attacks blacks and Jews. I am sick of it. I live in the south. The racists are plentiful as are white losers. But no one will call them white losers. They will label them hillbillies, trailer trash, poor white trash, ignorant or uneducated. Then, when it comes to blacks, they are niggers, lazy, stupid or some other racialized slur. 39 million blacks in this country and 650,000 in prison. So the 38 million that are not are labeled the same as the others. Blacks, Whites and other races are guilty of this. I am sick of it because it is racism, pure and simple. And then I post a logical and eloquent letter by Wise. Do YOU come back with comments about the content of the letter? No. You find some racist white supremacist site to post and ask if it is true so you can do an ad hominem, superiority republican spiel about his alleged potty mouth? I do not get upset when people disagree. I get upset when I find myself in a country of idiots and people who are not skilled in the rules of debate. I get upset when people have a 2 party mentality and are unable to think for themselves. I get upset when people start whining about generalities as if they were realities. No one can argue if the rules are unknown and that frustrates people like me. It is a waste of time and leads nowhere and then, what is the point? I love engaging debate if only people would stick to the issues. White supremacist sites do not. They are self righteous nuts, people of the lie, Nazis reincarnate. I work with them in the prisons and see them in the south. They are dangerous and part of Satan’s world, not mine. I don’t believe what they wrote about Tim Wise, it is irrelevant to this discussion and it wastes my time.
on October 24th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
P. Combs: I love debate, I do not like ad hominem. I do not like talk radio and I do not like the manipulation conservative talk shows manifest. I do not like talking heads and I despise social constructs with a basis in racism. Period. I’ve developed a level of perspicacity for such insults and most Americans are only capable of conversing or debating within the contexts set forth by such chicanery. It is the white or black or any group think that perturbs me. It is predictable and leads to everything this organization is forced to fight against. The Arabic nations saying death to America, so Americans are the target. Rush Limbaugh or James Watson stating that blacks are less intelligent. White supremacists attacking Wise, whom they hate; the man who lead the campaign against David Duke for President. He is part Jewish so yes, they are wacky and they hate him. He makes the point about Jena better than most and I aspire to be able to use rhetoric, what you called a diatribe, to make my points, one day. He is a genius and he is hated, down to the death threats. I have nothing against cursing when it comes to talking with scum that hates me, when it comes to straightening out evil persons who know no other language. He is a good man and if you take time to read his books and essays you would see that. Everything has a place, including vulgarity. Otherwise, he’d be casting pearls before swine.
on October 24th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
P. Combs: Debate, by definition, requires attack and counter attack. If a person feels quelled or squashed it is a matter of emotional fortitude, in my opinion, or as a result of ad hominem or illogical exchange that will lead to no where. According to Wikipedia- Debate (North American English) or debating (British English) is a formal method of interactive and position representational argument. Debate is a broader form of argument than logical argument, since it includes persuasion which appeals to the emotional responses of an audience, and rules enabling people to discuss and decide on differences, within a framework defining how they will interact.
Informal debate is a common occurrence, but the quality and depth of a debate improves with knowledge and skill of its participants as debaters.
on October 24th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
Dyann: You get it!!! You Get it!!! I am so happy you read and appreciate Tim Wise’s insights and eloquence. He is able to turn a phrase like few others. I’d encourage you to visit his site and to read his book, white like me. God gifted him and he is using his insight and perspicacity to educate the masses. I am looking forward to hearing him speak and debate but you can view his material and debates on line at http://www.timwise.org. ciao.
on October 24th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
Um, how do I take that post back?
I must have missed something somewhere.
Thank you for putting those links there for me to follow.
I guess one can make giant mistakes if one doesn’t have ALL of the information before one forms an opinion.
*that’s been happening a lot to me lately*
on October 25th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Dyann: You disappoint me but you don’t surprise me.
on October 25th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
Dee… Did you actually read that link, and sub-links?
http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/wise.htm/
And you didn’t find him subversive to the core?
God gawd!
Just who on this continent can claim a superior race?
NO ONE is pure, we are all rag-tag muts with questionable if not downright spoiled lineage!
And as whoever it was put it so sucinctly… “we do not choose what race we are born into.” We are at birth an accident and we are TAUGHT our beliefs. They aren’t even formed. We can UNlearn bigotry and superiority of another person.
I can’t even begin to argue prejudice, it’s got to be the stupidest physiological/sociological dent in human nature (next to pedophilia) that I can think of!
I don’t hate, but I do hate both of the aforementioned.
on October 26th, 2007 at 11:27 am
Dee,
I posted it and I follwed with said:
“some whacky hate group??..they sure seem to be.”
I had NEVER heard of MR. Wise before the other day when looking here. I am sure he’s a nice guy, and I’m not sure at all why you feel such an intense urge to to defend him to me, I have said nothing negative about him at all. I came across the remark and his reply while Googling him to LEARN more about him. I realize , from your writings how much you admire him, but thought I would look around to see what other people think of him as well.
I didn’t comment on his writings as I didn;t find it all that inspiring, just his view of the Jena case and how it filtered through his mind. I suspect some was fact, some was opinion whihc he is entitled to. To me the Jena case was much overblown and made more than it needed to be. The boys involved in that case on both sides are THE BOTTOM of the Trash Heap..both white and black and I have no doubt they all will end up in the care of the State or Federal Prison system. Something I suspect we will all be better off with .
My only comment was; his remarks to someone he disagrees with seemed very vulgar, which if true, were in fact vulgar. Being vulgar doesn’t make you a bad person, it is however an indication of a lesser quality upbringing. Swearing also show a lack of intellegence by most standards and a decided lack of emotional equalibrium. i.e. If your fall back position is swearing and making threats {which he seemed to have done} when talking to someone..your true colors become very evident, very quickly..
I read his letter and yes some of things on his site, he seems sincere and is trying hard to present his, yours and others line of thinking, thats fine of course. He should keep doing so.
Dee , whats interesting is you never address thoughts directly that are contrary to your own, instead you consider dismissing them as being so inferior they only merirt being attacked followed by a rather convoluted string or rationals. You I must assume never took a debating class in Prep/High School or in College. If so, your teacher would have surely failed you.
Read back..how much you have written…its very angry, very accusatory, very impolitic..
As far as your comment that: “We can UNlearn bigotry and superiority of another person.” Dee the reality is some people ARE superior to other people, but not based on Race its based on the persons life, accomplishments and contributions to society.. some people by demonstration have shown themselves superior to others.
While we all would like to think people can UNLEARN racial bigotry, I hope people will always recognize charectoristics in people which make them superior and inferior to others.
Peter.
on October 26th, 2007 at 11:29 am
Psst. Dee..I am a Libertarian/Independant..and would vote for Bill Clinton again..{I voted for him twice} in a heartbeat.
Just mentioning that as you inferred I am A Republican..OMG are you kidding me?
Peter
on October 26th, 2007 at 12:38 pm
Oh ok…well I read some comments on here and I think it’s wrong people are saying just cuz la raza in spanish means the race everyone else is crap….that’s mean and shows you don’t like spanish people! Comments like that add to racisim….I’m only 14 yrs. old but I’ve dealt with racism….Don’t test me with this name calling cuz i’m fed up! I’m friends with everyone…. I don’t think race is a problem and the thing about the spanish thing well…..I didn’t make that up….That’s just how our language is! Don’t judge me before you know me….. Or anyone else it’s wrong!
on November 6th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
Peter you make no sense. No one is superior to anyone. You could have a degree in physics and I would not be inferior to you. God is only the superior one. He will make all the calls on judgement day. He decides who is bleassed with heaven and who will burn in HELL.
I was in Katrina. So I have some experience with racism. I’m sure everyone can aknowledge Kanye West’s comment. ”President Bush doesn’t care about black people.” He really didn’t care. If he did, he would have landed the helicopter and picked someone up off there roof instead of flying over us.
Peter, are you a nazi/white supremicist/or do you like other races. If you are a white supremicist President Clinton loves other races.If you know what I mean. He made a voice appearance on a New Orleans hiphop radio station Q 93.3. Yes, he actually came to New Orleans (other than George Bush)
Also the Jena 6 does mean something. The whites hung a black (doll) on a tree. I would have acted on that incident to. The blacks faced punishment. And the white children got off with a slap on the wrist. The Jena 6 will not see the Prison/Penetentary. They are highly publicized. GOOD THINGS LIE THERE WAY. Two of the young men of the Jena 6 make an apperance on the BET Hiphop awards. I don’t think there giving up, yet. Wouldn’t it be funny if they made the history books. If anything the whites that acted in this incident should be facing AMERICA’S judgement.
P.S. I am 14 years of age. I decided to write my commentary after watching the BET (Black Entertainment Telivision)/ and American History X.
on November 6th, 2007 at 8:12 pm
Robert Moore a well-known neo-Nazi leader from Baton Rouge, La. I didn’t know of him. I hate nazis. I love all races. America is intergrated. This is the 21st century. Everyone is equal. There is no inferiority in my eyes. I go to Baton Rouge all the time. Let me catch him there. Baton Rouge is a prodomentialy black city. It has neighboorhoods that were named by the blacks. Mall City, Easy Town, Southside, e.t.c. I don’t care about his construction company. Most of the people that lost there homes in Katrina were blacks. Blacks make up about 75% of New Orleans and about 50% of Biloxi, Miss. So who exactly is he helping. The people of Slidell, Metarie. Surely not ”CHOCOLATE CITY”.
on November 7th, 2007 at 8:24 am
Dear Desiree L.,
No I am not a Nazi or KKK..or anything of the kind. You might want to read further up the page, it would be highly unlikely they would do anything with me but perhaps hang me froma tree.
I am sorry you take umbridge with the idea that some people are superior to others. SO you would argue somehow that MLK and Charles Manson are equal human beings? Or than Mother Terasa and Hitler are the same in anyones eyes? Or Pol Pot and Stephen Jarvik are or would be viewed by their creators as being equals? I think not. Humans do rise above other humans based on their accomplishments. To suggest otherwise is utter illogic.
To re-iterate from a previous comment opf mine “Psst. Dee..I am a Libertarian/Independant..and would vote for Bill Clinton again..{I voted for him twice} in a heartbeat.
Just mentioning that as you inferred I am A Republican..OMG are you kidding me?
Peter”
No I am not a bigot but their are people from ever walk of life who have merit..as humans and others who do not on any level deserve the life they have been granted.
I disagree with the comment that Bush doesn;t like Black people..its worse than that in my opinion..”Bush doesn’t like poor people or ANY race”.
I find it amusing that you somehow assumed I am a Nazi, because I disagree with you and presume my comments have a racial overtone when not one comment I have made is based on anything to do with skin color, but more to do with personal behavior.
The Jena kids white and black are all punks, all had rotten backgrounds and were all KNOWN to the authoritys. The fact that they were invited to an awards show to be used as a display of politically phony solidarity shows me how little you actuall know about the way the world works. Next year those same kids, most likely, won’t be able to even get tickets. After all Jesse and Al have moved on…to something else as they always do.
Peter
on November 7th, 2007 at 9:02 pm
I am getting my life kicked here in NC. I think I will expat. This racism is killing me.
on November 8th, 2007 at 7:51 am
Dee
” am getting my life kicked here in NC. I think I will expat. This racism is killing me.”…..you confuse people who disagree with you as being Racists..its very tedious and insulting to the meaning of the word.
Dee try stop being a career Victim,,stop whining..and get on with being a grown up and stop acting like a helpless child, its pathetic.
Expat if you like…not sure what country you think you can just move to..loads of limits these days unless you’re gonna become an “illegal”.
If your life is getting kicked…its because you make yourself available for being kicked.
Sorry , I just cannot abide whiners…Peter
on November 8th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Main Entry: 1whine
Pronunciation: \?hw?n, ?w?n\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): whined; whin·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hw?nan to whiz; akin to Old Norse hv?na to whiz
Date: 13th century
intransitive verb
1 a: to utter a high-pitched plaintive or distressed cry b: to make a sound similar to such a cry
2: to complain with or as if with a whine
3: to move or proceed with the sound of a whine
transitive verb
: to utter or express with or as if with a whine
I resent your arrogance and lack of empathy P. combs. I am high up in the food chain and things are what they are. Your opinion is simply that but for one to state a fact, to declare a truth is not whining and your implication is arrogant and condescending. You dismiss or try to disregard the observations and experiences of others in the name of not abiding. Well, all I have to say is that You, sir, need to learn manners and diplomacy. You SOUND like a republican. If it quacks like a duck…
on November 9th, 2007 at 8:44 am
Dee,
I am delighted you have found a dictionary you seem to match the simplified definition nearly perfectly, you might find the OED definitions even more illuminating. So thank you for going to the effort. Reading is important and its great you like to look things up.
As you know accusing someone of arrogance and being condcending are filler words of ones interpetations and are not definitive, the only reason for them is to emote the person being addressed and to garner agreement of those observing.
The notion that I need to learn diplomacy, after reading your endless ramblings of that of a lifelong powerless victim wanting the world to become your vison, will always remain just that, a vision. You saying something is the truth alone does not make it so, the world has many truths and all have to be viewed equally.
I am amazed you find me arrogant, perhaps facts and truth in your mind makes me so. Debate means addressing presented Facts and Interpetations of Facts. You never actually reply to anything anyone says unless they agree with you. If they don’t agree with you, your only resort is to accuse people of being Bigots, Nazis, Racists etc.
Not to be unpleasant, but the notion that you are at the top of any food chain is as laughable as me being a Republican.
You my dear girl/lady are in reality little more than Krill in your developement and after making attempts at logical discussion, I realize its not actually possible here with you.
You might try reading Platos Dialogues..and try again some day
. Peter C.
on November 18th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
I am so tired of listening to the blacks complain, they want everything giving to them, then march, protest about everything and anything. They boast about having rights in their trashed and burned out and crime ridden communities to each other. But, given a educated thought to all oftheir responses to issues of today, sounds like to me their issues are not with Whitey! it is with God! They are liars, the don’t have a clue about their heritage, they enslaved God’s people and killed jew babies, and wonder why they are the darkest color possible? that is judgement enough, but God has now enslaved them, Hey, their own kind sailed from africa to the USA to sell the trash and worthless, let me just say the throw aways of their own race. African can’t even stand blacks in the USA. So blacks what do you say to your ancestors that sealed your fate thousands of years ago. You should have tried to own slaves yourself. I couldn’t imagine having the nasty, stinking, black skin either. I would e pissed off and would want to lash out at who ever I could and protest and march every chance I got. Quit crying about everything, I give cudos to that man in Texas, he called 911 and let them be the witness to him protecting himself. I say protect yourself, pull the trigger, and ask questions later.
on November 19th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Allen: You are full of hatred. First of all, Black Americans are used to invectives like you are spewing. Secondly, they love their beautiful black skin, it is directly from God since we were the first on earth. You are misguided and consumed with hatred, which hurts no one but yourself. You seem to be a black American, based upon your intimate knowledge of black history. As to what Africans think of Black Americans, Black Americans couldn’t care less. Would their approval somehow help Black Americans? Can you speak for all of Africa? Would your approval make a difference in my journey? I think not. Jeez Louise Allen. You are full of yourself, aren’t you? You condemn and speak of pulling the trigger? Man. You are why this site and organization exists. You are full of the same spirit as Hitler, who himself had Jewish blood coursing through his veins, yet he never called for his own execution, did he? You need to read Louis Smede’s book.
They are here because of the sacrifices of the former. Since you deal in generalities and don’t seem to understand the issues on which this article and forum is based, I’d suggest you re-read the article and then attack the white supremacists who wanted to start a race war in Jena. The laws of America, stifling freedom, result from people of hate like you. People of the lie. You could insert any race in your diatribe and it would come out the same. Hateful and ignorant. May God have mercy on you soul Allen.
on November 19th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
P.Combs: I read your harangue, full of insults and condescension, and now understand why it is impossible to have a constructive discussion with you. First, like most libertarians, you go on and on and on. Second, you endeavor to enrage using ad hominem attacks. You talk down to me without constraint, without foundation, without class but fail to attack the arguments or declarations themselves. It is typical today to find those who champion themselves as all knowing while, at the same time, lack the sensitivity and skills to mount logical argument.
You are a real combatant, disrespecting the person with whom you disagree and then using projection to justify your own lacking. Last, the basic tenet you purport, that all truth is equal, explains it all. All truth cannot be equal, by definition. As recommended below, you need to read Copi.
Such is a declaration from a confused mind and certainly from one who does not understand mathematics, derived from philosophy. Thus, I cannot, neigh, will not further engage in such befuddled lack of reason with you, for in doing so, I will be an unwilling participant in the propagation of further perplexity without any chance of resolution. In other words, such employ is a waste of precious time and a vexation to spirit.
When you say to read Plato’s dialogue, and then come back some day, it is further evidence of your arrogance, haughtiness, conceit. I am familiar and well studied in several schools of dialogue, rudimentary being Plato’s dialogue and Aristotle’s poetics. The problem with Plato’s dialogues is that they lead to no final resolution—something distasteful to my own personal senses. So you see, YOU may engage in such dialog but for me it adds stress to life. With you, unlike Plato, being the libertarian you are, it would go on and on and on.
Despite the fact that I have applied all rules of rhetoric and logic to my previous discussions and been met with your labels of ramblings, diatribes and illogical, without ever once you dealing with the actual arguments, I must conclude that you are arrogant- plain and simple. Despite your high opinion of yourself, you are a light weight Peter and I feel sorry for your wife and family. If I were to venture a guess, you seem like an engineer, electrical to be specific with only an undergraduate degree, if that. I have found that class of individuals to be all knowing with plenty of self assuredness and condescension, generally speaking.
Finally, you liken me to Krill? That is a good one, I must admit. I too must confess your passable skills in mockery, facetiousness, disdain and the spewing of invectives. You spray pejoratives, like a hose and drip conceit like honey from a hive. You are first-class at hurling ad hominem attacks so kudos to you Peter.
On the other hand, what seems to be lacking in your abilities, despite your high opinion of yourself, is class, genuine argumentative skills, maturity and logic. You are a bully. I would suggest your reading Copi and doing the exercises.
For me, it would be effortless to tear apart each of your pejoratives, simply for my amusement and for that of others reading these posts. It would be akin to watching, or reading, Jerry Springer. Yes, it would feed my ego. Yes, to no end and yes, Peter, it would bring about supreme satisfaction to and fulfillment of my pride of life. However, your high opinion of my skills in argumentation abilities, my thoughts and beliefs precludes me from the expenditure of valuable time arguing with a self-absorbed snob such as yourself. Think what you may, it affects my life as Krill, not even a little. Adieu.
on November 20th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
Dee…simply saying I am wrong doesn’t make me so. I have never seen anyone blog so many ill-used words in order to make an argument as you. Complcated declarations do little except make you seem unsure..
As for calling Plato rudimentary..I suggest you call the Harvard Philosophy School and let them know its no longer needed. If you don;t think he reaches any conclusions…then you nerver read his writings or at least never understaood them
You are in fact Krill with a dictionary in your lap. The overblown mis-use of words suggests you try again. You are….but Krill non the less. Hugs and kisses…and be good…while you grow and learn in life..as I said before come back when you develope beyond your present state, which regretably isn;t much when its all said and done.
I’ve kept responding to you..with the faint hope you could pull past reflexive accusations of everything being about race and anger…you apparently will never get there.
You need not reply , I won’t bother responding again..you are bore.
P. Combs..
on December 3rd, 2007 at 12:07 pm
Whether you reply or not, no dictionary was needed to straighten you out. As I said, you never deal with individual assertions or declarations. You aren’t fun at all. I won.
on December 3rd, 2007 at 1:39 pm
Dee….you’ve won nothing..and gladly today Don Imus is back on the radio.entertaining a happy world.
Not sure what you think you’ve won?…I have addressed each of your comments and like all angry race baiters you respond to nothing with information but simplistic wordsmithing.. and like all angry persons of comming from illogical standpoint, declarations only you understand is all you have…pretty pathetic..Nothing will ever be enough to aswage your sense of abuse and indignation..you will go to your grave..still waiting…still wondering why only you can see the wrongs….Mrs Clinton is slipping in the pols..Obama is going no place. Sadly, even when an ELECTION is handed the Democratic party on a Silver PLate…they cannot evern win..IN two more years the House will revert as well.
All a disgrace..as are you..my angry lil victim girl…go have some cookies..and come back when you are all grown up..
p.combs
on December 9th, 2007 at 1:33 am
I think people should get over the race program and see their commonalities and work for all people in general to improve their conditions, economic, health care, child and elder care, mental health, and fun care. Our country needs to learn to have fun again!! Nobody should wake up feeling they should have to put on a race lense to make their bed, their breakfast, and go to work or play. We need to instead put on a freedom lense that allows us to get past our addictions to blame others and instead see how we can make our day a good day, free of the bad stuff, and embrace a better life. We all should, every day, read something, play at something, self-discipline at something, eat better, exercise more, talk to someone forgotten, create something, be kind to our pets and children. Every day, not some days. Turn off the tv and go out and plant a flower, trim a bush, clean a bird bath. Be simple and free. Don’t fall for the pander, create a vegtable dish. Radicalize out of the noise, as it doesn’t help anyone have a better day. Jena shows people can choose to change their day and just go somewhere to see for themselves. You take back a day, you live a day. That is what all of this should be about. Get off the established program and just do something else.
on December 9th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
Brian Stewart: sounds wonderful. and then Mychal Bell can spend 24 years in prison for a school fight while the little white girls on 20/20 got away with murder and with a planned and predatory attack on another little white girl and all charges were dropped. Let me go water my flowers and work on my scrapbook.
on December 9th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
Dear P. Combs: I have to admit I could be considered impolitic but I love debate. I grew up in an era when people exchanged ideas without feeling insulted and I forget to tone it down when I find someone with which I can exchange ideas.
I suppose my posts seemed combative because I did not address your comments and was hurt because you judged the one post which means much to me. Will explain later.
I have listened to decades of race discussions and the berating of black people, who just happened to be black, and commit crimes or errors. More than any other race on the planet blacks are openly disparaged. What if someone wrote a book, Hispanics need to stop gang banging, or Whites need to stop raping children and using meth, or Chinese need to stop doing home invasions in Arcadia, CA. It would never happen. As a result, there are serious self-esteem issues in the black race that go unaddressed. Every black person has to listen to a generalization of the negative and rarely, even by other blacks, the positive. Even blacks believe black is bad and I’d not just speaking of black dolls. Tyler Perry made over 100 million dollars writing plays of ridiculous stereotypes that blacks have come to embrace as much as everyone else. Well it is not the majority and I guess with that in mind, and you not knowing, I over reacted to your statements. I apologize.
Whether it is Cosby or documents I have from the 1700s it’s the same, the racialization of criminal or bad behavior.
Also, I went back over the posts and read the things you had to say, which I admit, I hadn’t done thoroughly. I apologize for not addressing your declarations and concerns. With respect to your race or mulatto status, I have no problems at all. I raised a little mulatto step son and most of my friends are white. I state the former because I taught him to ignore his physicality as a portal to letting others in. I taught him that his internal character and soul were the most important, that God blessed him with beauty and that, like the very ugly, the beautiful must be on-guard against a shallow world, willing to use him physically to bolster their own insecurities and ignore his internal gifts and beauty.
If anything, I find most black people to be conversationally apathetic or adverse, in many ways understandably, with respect to racial discussions that generally leave them accused, generalized, scapegoats and identified by their physical characteristics or by the actions of others who share their skin color but not their individual characters. They become their race and not their feelings, their accomplishments, their hopes or their dreams. But, there is big money in bashing blacks, as the writer of The Bell Curve declared on CSPAN, book notes, pointing out the cathedral ceilings in his renovated garage, stating that it all came from the book. Cosby knows that too. It’s the disparity, it’s always the disparity.
It’s like being called nigger or any other ethnic slur. Epithets diminish the value of an individual, generally speaking.
I agree with you that these Jena boys were not perfect. There was, however, a documented, year long, cause and effect trail and disparate resolutions based on race, which in La, is par for the course.
The white ones did what they were taught to do. The black ones reacted to a series of events emotionally and not well tempered. That’s the nature of boys. The adults should have been mature enough to quell the incidents that led to a worldwide campaign. In both cases I blame the adults in the town, who handled the case wrongly and allowed it to spiral into what it ultimately became. Jena is a good example of historical impact. However, the issue, worldwide for the black boys has been the disparate treatment. That is the only issue and that is not limited to Jena.
In terms of Jesse and Sharpton, what you labeled a diatribe is the basis for a huge project by blacks worldwide to actually institute real change. By identifying systemic and institutional problems, the lack of a country, a virtual country is being created. You see, I do not ascribe to the common belief that blacks are criminals or intrinsically bad.
That sentiment is traceable to the early 20th century, but other characterizations, which still live, have never died. If there are 700,000 blacks in prison, there are also 6 million intact families, over 3 million single black fathers, and 4 million living veterans that have served this country. Only 20,000 blacks were infected with AIDS but ABC ran a special calling it a black disease. The girl who was imprisoned in W. Va. suffered unconscionable acts by felons, 2 of which were convicted of 1st and 2nd degree murder of a step mother and a father. They each served less than 5 years.
If I ignored your posts it was because I became detracted by your ad hominem attacks, which for me, is a past time. I cannot debate, disagree or in any way offend my clients so the Internet is my relief. I sometimes forget how sensitive people are and that my world is the exception and not the rule. But I love the exchanges, the one upmanshipping and I wish I had an outlet for it. Maybe I will create a website for it, specifically!!
Finally, I want to say that I thought all of your comments to be logical and well-thought-out. I do not agree with some of them but from a perspective of creating a country that addresses, in real time, all of the problems in the black community. I do not think blacks should be less than human nor that they have to be better than the others, who find they get passes, or at least not racialized for serial killings, rapes, murders, etc.
Also, I believe the lack of empathy and sympathy for the everyday things many blacks go through, something I fully realized after moving to the deep south, is terrible but it is grounded in history. When a slave was shot for leaving the field for a drink of water, the overseer raised his rifle and killed the slave. When the family and friends of this poor soul dropped in the field, he was still alive but the other slaves were told if they didn’t go back to work and moved one more step they’d be shot too. They did as they were told. The man laid there until the vultures picked his meat to the bones. It was published in an 1800s newspaper in a section where slave masters bragged about their injustices to man.
Today, even those suffering the most rarely complain, though victim-hood is ascribed to them. I see it everyday down here and became a victim of it in a way I’d never have believed before I left California. That is why I support the SPLC and understand the evil souls of mankind. That is why I can empathize now and understand a modicum of what the slaves suffered and those who lived through Jim Crow. I also worked in 9 California Prisons, in the death rows and high security units. I have had more experience that 99% of the people I’ve met and am using it to help create a program for black people and poor people that is unprecedented. Therefore, these things that we’ve written about consume my thoughts, and finding solutions is difficult but requires an integrity few other things require. Thank God I have an army of bright people, worldwide, helping make this happen.
That is a huge problem to address and unless there is something better, Jesse and Al are it, as far as the media outlets are concerned.
on December 11th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
To Dee. I try and not let any particular lens get stuck on me so I can look at things fresh, which generally means race free. Of course 24 years in prison is crazy for a school fight or assualt or whatever it was. I think prison is the wrong way to go as its not justice to waste people’s lives that way. And I know nothing about the white girls, but I do know justice in America doesn’t really exist and the courts are a lottery and to be a winner you need a lot of money and gumption. You seem to accept the system as it is excusing it with a racial lense and I see it as fundamentally flawed by people who demonize others and then throw them in their prisons as their way to control society which means all the races, and that applies to all of us as we all feel it too and we all have feelings. That only by joining forces and confronting those in power that suppress our joint freedoms and opportunities, can we change it for real. The race thing is more mirage than most will admit.
on December 12th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
The problem as I see it is not only is there Racism in blacks and whites . Why is it the Black Youths act like a pack of animals when they get together. Let one person fall to the ground and they will attack and kick until he is no more. Each one wants to add his contribution to someone elses pain. The school dropout rate for Blacks is twice the rate for whites. The hispanic dropout rate is twice that of blacks but you don’t see them rioting and blaming everyone else for their hard luck. Why is the black on black crime higher then any other. Does Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton have actual jobs or do they get there money from unsuspecting Black people, I feel sorry for the whites who unwittingly think they are helping the white-black relations. They will be the first to have their bubble burst. Wise up people you’re being used. Just like with the Lacrosse team they came to straighten up the white people only to find out later the people they came to defend are guilty. But you can bet there was no apology to the people wrongly accused. Black rights are brought up when they want something. Racism is only an excuse. To the many thousands that work everyday for a living I salute you. To the many thousands that only want that handout I feel sorry for you.
Forty thousand people make the Jenna March . The good thing about that was only four of them missed work.
What are these people going to do when they start drug testing the SSI recipients
on December 13th, 2007 at 12:19 am
John, you are a racist, pure and simple. People like you make the world a worse place. You are like thorns in the sides of society, always negative, always judgemental and always wrong. Like the bible says, take the beam out of your own eye before trying to remove the splinter from others. Whites are ruthless in their violent crimes. Please. Don’t be so naive in pointing fingers. All you have to do is turn on biography, court tv, forensic files, etc., or go to the torture sites or even youtube. And most blacks work so stop the propaganda. You are a real piece of work and the reason sites like this exist, you moron.
on December 13th, 2007 at 12:22 am
Brian Stewart: I agree with you. However, the lens in America is built upon race, from the constitution down. So if we choose to individually lose that jaded view, great. It’s those who wield power, the power of life and death, imprisonment and freedom, etc. that ultimately matters, though the rest of us count on juries. Well stated points you make.
on December 13th, 2007 at 12:49 am
TO JOHN:
Motive and Opportunity: The Difference Between White and ‘Other’ Racism
By Tim Wise
Even that simple admonition however, often proves too much for some to digest. The idea that white racism should be seen as fundamentally different than the “racism” of people of color is one many find unpalatable, or just plain hard to defend, especially to those whose grounding in these subjects is limited, and who tend to believe that prejudice is prejudice, and all should be equally condemned…
go to the link if you care to read this.
on December 13th, 2007 at 12:58 am
John: As far as what black youths do in fights, it is no different than whites and hispanics. Usually the whites and Hispanics are the pack ratters and historically, until the recent activities of Hispanics, no one can top whites when it comes to mob violence and brutal attacks. Ask any prison guard, especially at places like Pelican Bay. Go over the Internet and watch the brutality of whites and try to racialize a whole group of people. You mask your racism with opinions and expect people to take it as facts.
on December 15th, 2007 at 11:52 am
I dunno, the thing I am trying to say, is when I wake up in the morning I am just me, not a race. Sure I inhabit a human body but the spirit inside is unique and not always in synch with the body or the world it inhabits. Frankly most white or any people I first run into during the day says to me “uh oh, human beings around, watch out!” but the color of their skin isn’t the first thing I see, but rather their energy, demeanor, their sheen or soul inside then the color and their hair start to fill in the gaps if needed as I try and figure out who, what?. Sure if someone wants to dress and act a part out of casting central and be a stereotype as they feel “the need” to do that, no matter who they want to pretend to be, more power to them, but at least put in a full effort. I mean people are behind the eyes, and yeah, if only half full and poorly led they are capable of anything including nothing. The westies who immigrated from Ireland are in my book the toughest meanest fighting gangsters out there but again I don’t see them as a bunch of wanna be crackas, but rather just a crazy ethnocentric group of “humans”. I think what parents teach their young, and the love or lack of they were raised in, a person’s own self and worldly awareness shows quickly upon the person. I will never forget going to a neat play in Los Angeles that happened at an all black theater except for us two whites, and everyone was gracious and elegant and I was enjoying their story when the actors suddenly stopped on stage and pointed us two out to the theater goers as symbols of the the white America that use to lynch them. Talk about awkward! They were even mad at us, but let it go fortunately and went back to the play we thought we were going to see that evening. It was educational. I have to admit I never went back, and probably should of as outside of that it was a really cordial evening. It is funny nobody apologized or was embarrassed about it to us. If it had been a white theater troop that did this to its two sole black patrons it would have ended up in the LA Times and court. It was a strong message to us that we were the two aliens there, not personaly about us though, and honestly we went absolutely naively thinking it would be fun and educate us as I didn’t feel like I was a particular race or they were either. I never thought it would be seen as an intrusion as the arts are for all. Their story was about jazz and being musical myself I never felt it was about anyone race anymore than rock n roll or the blues or rockabilly was. Its just impossible to explain that you can feel raceless and how freeing that is livin ones life no matter what others think. So I still wake up off the race grid in my mind and intentions. Truthfully, we are all mixtures of races and assorted tribes going way back to when we just migrated in different directions from the same home base and let nature work her will on us over the millenia.
on December 17th, 2007 at 2:57 pm
Brian Stewart:
I too wake up race-less, that is, until I go outside, here in the South. In LA, I thought nothing of race unless it came up in a discussion with a friend, on the Internet or unexpectedly. I know it was a strange thing going to that theater and experiencing what you stated. My hope is that those who decided to disrespect you as a person do not become the mouthpieces of Black America. I have watched the transformation in this country over several decades and the physical is the focus of all things media and unfortunately, Americans are not the brightest bulbs in the world’s chandelier. The thing is, their disregard for simple human respect was a symptom of individuals and once you left the theater, your life was not affected one way or the other, with regard to food, clothing or shelter. That is the difference between black and white racism. Depending on who is wielding the discrimination the outcomes vary. Not to say there aren’t blacks in power mistreating whites, abusing whites or judging whites by the color of their skin, but as you must admit, there are significantly fewer examples. In my opinion, night of the living dead is the best way to decribe our contempory society. Peace.
on December 17th, 2007 at 3:21 pm
To Brian:
You seem to accept the system as it is excusing it with a racial lens and I see it as fundamentally flawed by people who demonize others and then throw them in their prisons as their way to control society which means all the races, and that applies to all of us as we all feel it too and we all have feelings.
I see your point. I worked in 9 prisons, Quentin, Pelican Bay, and did this in 2 states. The facts, historically and now, support the fact that blacks are thrown in prison at rates 10 times greater than whites, for similar offenses. This began right after slavery and with the 13th amendment, when freed slaves were gathered up, put into prison for even spitting on the ground, and then put in chain gangs and back on plantations, as the states contracted with individuals for free labor. The main thing is to decrease the voting power of blacks and other minorities, just as the same motivation caused America to repeal the voting rights of the freed slaves after their votes determined the presidential election results.
The recent supreme court decision to address the disparities in sentencing of black and white offenders.
“…Even the sentencing commission’s striking move on Tuesday, meant to address the wildly disproportionate punishments for crack and powder cocaine, will have only a minor impact. Unless Congress acts, many thousands of defendants will continue to face vastly different sentences for possessing and selling different types of the same thing.
Crack and powder cocaine are two forms of the same drug. But, under the old guidelines, a drug dealer selling crack cocaine was subject to the same sentence as one selling 100 times as much powder.
Street dealers selling crack got much longer sentences than the wholesalers who sold them the powder they used to make it. Eighty-five percent of people convicted of crack offenses are black…”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/17/us/17bar.html
I worked in a Methadone Clinic a couple months ago. 16,000+ white people, shooting and selling heroin, doing methamphetamine, oxycodone, etc. were all given a pass and sent to the clinics versus prison. The same judges put black men away for a long time. The NAACP and all of the people most white conservatives hate, have been working on this for a long time. 2 million in prison however assures us that the punitive nature of America will grow worse, because now they have to sustain a system of paychecks and retirement. The disparities have always been in America but if you don’t deal with it or give your life to studying and addressing it, like the SPLC, then there is no reason you would know the truth or have a need to know the truth.
The article above was about the racist whites threatening blacks but none of the posts addressed that. That is common around the whole Internet. I say, yes. whites have feelings, whites go through some things, some worse than others, but things like W. Va, they don’t go through for being white, at least not as often. When they do, the justice system will come down on Negroes like a hammer on a nail. That is just the way it is. It is important for whites to acknowledge and appreciate their privileges in this world, but most of them don’t. It is equally important for black americans to appreciate the things they have in this country, though most of them don’t. That goes for Hispanics and Asians, always seeking utopia. However, injustices must be addressed and they will continue to be by those called to do so.
That only by joining forces and confronting those in power that suppress our joint freedoms and opportunities, can we change it for real. The race thing is more mirage than most will admit.
Amen to the above. The mirage becomes tangible when people continue to do the things they do, when centers like the SPLC are forced to exist. I have come to believe that mankind is incapable of reason, at least for long term policies and that those who have power want to keep it, no matter what. This country was based in slavery and it will always be, regardless of its rhetoric.
Early in our history, whites started defecting over to the Indians, cutting their hair like Indians, joining tribes, adopting their ways. The feds came down and made these things punishable by death or imprisonment. Abolitionists were killed, etc. That is America. That is it’s foundation. That is the fodder for our most basic laws.
That is at least my opinion.
on December 30th, 2007 at 12:20 am
What I am trying poorly to say is that the prison system, the justice system, the whole puritan punative mentality in America is oppressing all of us right at the first level-the walking four-limbed human level before we can even get into the race thing. I see many a white person who is alien from other white people I see, and they aren’t the same thing. You can say they are the same race, but to me they are two completely different species not only mentally, emotionally, but also physically as I can pick up a subtle difference in them even though they are gasp-the same white color. But they are different kinds of people and as visceral as it gets. See, they want to oppress those of us who just think and feel differently. On one level they don’t care about the race thing at all, as what they care about is simply control of all of us. Then when they push me down, they look for a handle to push the rest down, and if race is there, or freckles, or eye color, or ancestry(the nazi’s to the jews, poles, slav’s, catholics, oh they didn’t care much whom) they simply used that. If we can all get beyond the race self-absorption thing and look at who wants to help us be free humans first and foremost we can see we are really all have the same dilemma from these control people. They will use my point of view against me, and the color of anothers skin against them. It really doesn’t matter much what they use to them. As long as we stay at odds among ourselves over the race thing as being the only issue they win because they split us all apart. If you ethnocent out your allies in this thing what are you really saying? The prison system is going after something much bigger than our skin, but like satan(abstract it as much as you want), it wants our souls and it will use every trick in the book to get them. And I disagree that somehow after leaving that theater it had no effect on my life, as being an empath I picked up the very same goggles they were looking at me with and employed them on the outside world and realized what little options they left me. They were more like unforgiving blinders that scrunched my head than useful frankly. You may deny my human feelings and realization in all this, but I was profoundly disturbed by the psychic space such a large audience of people clinginly held onto to such a degree they dehumanized the two of us in their midst as somehow being nonhuman or nonsympatico in their world. They weren’t like this when we checked in as all seemed pleasant and well normal. But as if someone flipped a switch they went into mode. But I am in this world too and am human!! Yet all I get back when I bring it up is denial, denial, denial. So I guess I am not supposed to be in this world after all except in some supposed oppressive role. Sometimes someone can hold onto a grudge more strongly than a piece of cake, but you can’t eat a grudge and it won’t nourish you. But the grudge is noisier, and well convienent to wear like a hat. Its like a type of jewlry, not really natural, but iconic and imaginal and tinted with a kind of pride. All this psychological stuff is once again being exploited by satan by all the cultural confusion in his employ to keep people’s souls in pain and under his thumb. No-one seems to want to give up that precious hat. That advantages those who want to control us. Now you may want to write me off for even making mention of the satan archetype by taking it as literal. But the psychological aspects of this whole thing, of racism in America, of the threat of Prison in America, the great big modern police state that it has become, are so profound that paired with greed and aggressive arrogance by the power structure it shows us way out of balance. But simply being antithetical to it while trying to copy its form, but more to your liking, is flawed at its very conception. Reminds me of that first real book I read “Animal Farm” and what happens when one power structure overthrows the given and then becomes the given and does the same darn things in just another iteration. We have to push beyond that repetition by just being different.
on December 30th, 2007 at 12:38 am
To Dee, well if you’ve worked in Pelican Bay you have seen the root of all evil, still alive and well in modern times. City of Quartz, the book about LA’s hospitality suites is really interesting. To me the fact that the US is building more and more seg units and throwing more and more people into these for more and more inventive reasons is really scary. Current research thinking is that kind of hermetically sealed segregation(separated from all normal real world cues) causes real brain damage including schizophrenia in some. If it was originally a policy mistake they should have been disbanded by now, but obviously our government has chosen to damage the brains of a significant percentage of its prisoners. Clearly the Supreme Court is negligent in its oversight of the Administrative branch, and Congress as usual is just as negligent. These supposedly highly educated justices, with both college and top law school educations, substantial experience in learned manners simply choose to ignore this cruel and unusal punishment. Has even anyone on the court taken up the cause? They could build more human naturalistic seg units(not hermetically sealed metal cans) and give people things to do if they chose. The silence of the court on this is just amazing to me. What have we become? We all know we have some real behavior problems in some of our people, but is damaging their brains further therapeutic or ethical?
on January 9th, 2008 at 3:31 am
Another good source of info on hate groups operating in the U.S. you should check out: http://www.onepeoplesproject.com
on January 9th, 2008 at 11:55 am
WHat a shame,
humans so desire to be close to the Higher Power that we beat each other down over race, religeon, finances and education. What is left for us to discriminate about? Cant you all see the Earth is alive and well and is trying to shake us all off. Mother Earth, the ground on which we walk ,is a living changing thing just as we are and it is reacting to all of the negative karma mankind has been sending out. The blurring of the seasons, the wacky weather, the many natural disasters coming in rapid succession…this was never normal 30-35 years ago, our KARMA is causing it.
Bad news: ITS GOING TO GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER.
Good news; THE FUTURE ISNT WRITTEN IN STONE, OUR CHOICES CAN CHANGE IT ALL STARTING RIGHT NOW!!!
YOUR NEWS: what choices will YOU make?
on January 30th, 2008 at 12:11 am
It is ok for us to hang from your trees but our kids are not allowed to sit or stand under them? Or was the problem that they were in the same school, well fool it’s called segration and I want to thank you for reminding us that people like yourself are still out there and maybe we got too relax and thought for minute that the white society knew it was the year of 2008 and who in the hell is afraid of you cowards anyway. Stop! Stop playing you don’t like black when everything you do in the in dark.
May God continue to bless equal rights
for all people, Yes even you, with your mixed up blood self. I willing to bet if your friend did a search they will find some traces of black blood from your ancestor rooting from slavery.
Who Knows Who is Whoes Baby’s Daddy.
Or maybe God will bless you with a biracial grandchild from one of your children or grandchildren. You love does not have any color and for sure what goes around comes around.
on January 30th, 2008 at 9:56 am
turns out it wasn’t much of a rally only the usual suspects showed up.you know jessy and al the racist extortionists. what you fail to mention is that these negroes are criminal bullies well known to the police.the whole tree business was a teenage prank that was delt with by the school but the negroes attacked whites any way.do you see why the whites do not want to associate violent racist negroes.look at any negro community they are a cesspool of violent crime and aberrant behavior just like negroes in africa. when are you start acting like civilized humans?
on January 30th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Bruce,
Are you as illiterate as you appear through your writing? I’ll assume your post was a total “put on”. If not, seek medical attention.
Peter
on January 31st, 2008 at 12:23 am
I truely look forward to the day that we no longer see a person by their colour, I cannot in anyway relate to the importance that some people put on what colour a person is or what country they are from, the amazing thing is that most of these shallow views are based on absolute heresay & backward views from another time, all people are equal and all connected, when I think bad of another I bring that energy back to myself, and the way I see it “You can add to the love in the world or to the hate” we all have a part to play in the theatre of life and in the end we all experience the same emotions – I’m not here to Judge but simply to witness and I wish for all of you inner peace & forgiveness of yourselves and others.
on February 12th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Wow, this is stupid. Us whites only want to live in peace without black and jewish interference.
on February 13th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Looks like one of your hero groids beat another human half to death:
http://www.wtopnews.com/index......id=1254586
According to a police report, the student felt Purvis come behind him and “grab his neck with one hand and begin to choke him.” Purvis then said, “Don’t you ever mess with my car again” and slammed the student’s head into the bench of a table and walked away, the report said. The student’s left eye was injured, but Singleton didn’t know whether he needed medical attention after seeing the school nurse.
School district declined to comment on details of the incident.
Purvis was one of six black Jena High School students initially charged with attempted murder after a 2006 assault on a white student. Charges were reduced, but the original counts caused complaints of harsh, racially motivated prosecution that led to 20,000 people marching in Jena.
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What is the world coming to when a young black gentleman can’t beat the hell out of a honkey at school for no reason? Call the Jews, and the ‘groids they ride in on! Rally! Rally!
on February 13th, 2008 at 10:59 am
HEY IT’S HARD FOR ME TO BELEAVE SUCH A HURSH STORY BUT THEN AGAIN IF SLAVERY WAS NOT SO BLUNTLY OUT THERE IM SURE SOME PEOPLE WOULD HAVE SAID IT WAS A LIE AND WOULD HAVE FIGHT TILL THERE DEATH BED’S SAYING IT WAS A LIE LIKE THAT DUDE FROM IRAN SAYING THE HOLOCUST WAS A LIE AND I KNOW THE HOLOCUST IS TRUE CAUSE THE JEWS JAST TO COOL LIKE BLACK PEOPLE FOR IT NOT TO BE TRUE BUT IF ANYTHING I WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME DIGGING FACTS ABOUT THE WALLS FAMILY IN SLAVERY TILL 1961 BUT IM FOR SHORE THAT EVERY BLACK SLAVE WAS NOT FREE ON 1865 COME ON NOW YOU SEE HOW SOME OF THESES WHITE PEOPLE ACT TODAY YOU THINK IF THE K.K.K HAD SLAVES IN 1865 THEY WOULD HAVE LET THEM FREE NAH I DON’T THINK SO
WHITE PEOPLE IN TODAY WORLD GOT TO RELIZE THAT THERE D.N.A HAVE BEEN ALTURED HAVE BEEN CHANGE YOU SEE MORE AND MORE WHITE AHTLETES JUMPING OUT THE GYM
THEY TO HITLER IS A DESEASE THAT NEED TO BE STOP JAST LIKE THE JEWS ONLY WHERE YOU FIND THAT REAL WHITE PEOPLE D.N.A IS IN EUROPE OVER SEAS WHERE THAT RACIST STUFF IS AT A ALL TIME HIGH
on April 10th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
as a white American, i believe white is right. i KNOW white is right. i am only 15 years old but i am wise enough to realize this fact. in the writings above they rant about how horrible the beliefs of white supremacists are, how we discriminate, how we make threats, and sometimes act on them. but does it mention what the [slur deleted] do? does it mention what the alienating border hoppers do? NO! of course not.. for fear that the truth will prevail. THE TRUTH my friends is that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS come into this country that our forefathers worked so incredibly hard to build and they exploit it! they come here and commit crime NOT ENHANCE OUR CULTURE as monkey loving liberals try to make us believe!! they are social parasite’s that feed of the country’s generosity and willingness to let them do so!! white supremacists FIGHT for their race, to make a difference for the GREAT or good. and you bash them for it? our country was built on such people whether you would like to believe it or not.
on August 8th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
the world is a changing place….
racial diversity is a fact of life….there is no such thing a superior/supreme race.history has proven so over and the future will prove so again.people should be proud of their races, but should never think their race is superior to other.they may have a right to think that their races are superior (very unsophisticated) but should never be in shock when other’s who dont think like wise express their disproval.in the 21st century its a tragedy for human kind that people are rascist…..a better worl worl is a world of rascial harmony and not bigotry
on November 29th, 2008 at 6:24 am
The best crowd control for such a situation would be a squad of men armed with full automatics and preferably a machine gun as well,” is how one person put it on the Web forum hosted by the neo-Nazi Vanguard News Network.
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MUKESH
preferably a automatic machine gun.
on July 15th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
nbpp,the new black kkk lead by the obama regine.if whites had the upper hand as these black kkk people seem to believe,then why do the black kkk have all the elements on there side to protect there racism?the black kkk can say and do whatever they want because eric holder who supports the black kkk allows it.black racism has become the norm here in gutter city u.s.a. and the jew media also supports it.anti-racism is anti-white genocide.