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Hatewatch is managed by the staff of the Intelligence Report, an investigative magazine published by the Alabama-based civil rights group Southern Poverty Law Center.
Neo-Nazi Leader Bill White Indicted Again
Federal prosecutors announced today that Bill White, arguably the most important neo-Nazi leader in America, has been indicted on seven counts related to making Internet and other threats that could bring him 55 years in prison and $1.75 million in fines.
White was already being held in a federal holding facility in Chicago, where he faces an earlier charge of obstructing justice for publishing personal information about a jury foreman on his website. White suggested in that posting that the juror had committed a crime by voting in 2004 to convict another neo-Nazi leader, Matt Hale, for soliciting the murder of a federal judge. (The judge was not harmed.) Trial on that charge has been set for March 3 in Chicago federal court.
Bond was denied to White in two earlier hearings. In the most recent, on Dec. 5, a judge said White would be held “to ensure the safety of the community.”
In recent years, White has developed a reputation as a blustery threatmaker, posting personal information such as home addresses and phone numbers of many individuals — including the author of this blog posting — and, in some cases, suggesting that it would be good to kill them. He was known for pushing First Amendment protections to their absolute limit, although the indictments suggest that he was not careful enough to prevent the lodging of extremely serious charges.
Prosecutors in Roanoke, Va., where White lives and where the new indictments were brought, suggested that the additional charges would help stem the tide of Internet threats. “The Internet has proven to be a powerful force in our daily lives. It has made information from across the globe available at the click of a mouse,” Acting U.S. Attorney Julia Dudley said today. “The law enforcement community cannot allow individuals to unlawfully threaten anyone, in any manner. When violent threats are made, legal action must be taken and justice must be served.”
Specifically, the new indictment charges White with:
• Threatening a Citibank employee he was having a dispute with.
• Attempting to extort that Citibank employee by demanding she send him a certain legal document related to the dispute.
• Attempting to prevent court testimony through threatening letters sent to black tenants in a housing dispute in Virginia Beach, near his hometown of Roanoke.
• Threatening Leonard Pitts, a black Miami Herald columnist. (The indictment does not identify victims, but several have been known for months.)
• Threatening a professor who administered a diversity training program at the University of Delaware in Newark.
• Threatening Richard Warman, a Canadian civil rights lawyer who has brought actions against numerous white supremacists in that country.
• Threatening the South Harrison Township, N.J., mayor, a black man who has been subjected to other threats in the past. White apparently read about a Town Council resolution offering a reward for information about those people who earlier threatened the mayor and was enraged.
“I’m very relieved,” Warman said after being informed by Hatewatch of the new indictments. “Having someone repeatedly counsel people to murder you is a grave cause for concern, especially when it’s connected to your home address. It’s been a long two-plus years. I’m very much looking forward to the legal process running its course.”
White founded his group, the American National Socialist Workers Party (ANSWP), in 2006, after quitting another neo-Nazi organization, the National Socialist Movement (NSM). Today, the NSM is the only other major neo-Nazi group in America besides ANSWP, which is believed to have fewer than 150 members. Just a few years ago, there were three additional major neo-Nazi groups — the Aryan Nations, the World Church of the Creator (renamed the Creativity Movement after a non-racist church of the same name sued), and the National Alliance — but all three have virtually disappeared in recent years as their leaders have died or been sent to prison.
on December 11th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Here we go again…..
on December 11th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Jeez, between Bill White and our recently indicted Governor, people are going to get the wrong idea about Illinois generally and Chicago in particular. We really are nice people, by and large!
on December 11th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Sorry to inform you but there is no walking any line of the Constitution. Freedom of speech is exactly what it says and any law made that contradicts it is bogus.
I see you have many people listed above that he did not threaten. Why are you telling lies? Were your feelings hurt by Bill so you are trying to get revenge?
on December 12th, 2008 at 1:13 am
Cool to read that this little dumb ass punk Billy is going to get locked up where he belongs. Justice will be served. He’s such a luser :-)
on December 12th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Why is the SPLC referring to Bill White as “the most important neo-Nazi in America?” He’s no more than a loud crybaby. The ones we need to worry about are those who are quiet, those “lone wolf” types that Tom Metzger keeps gabbing on about.
on December 12th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Joining in with the last comment, I question how “important” Bill White is. News items repeatedly refer to him as a “leader” of a purported party or group, but where are his followers? Anyone have analytic statistics on his Web site? Circulation numbers for his mail, if any? Has he ever been applauded at a rally? I am beginning to wonder if he might have more hate-watchers in his audience than followers. That would be a good thing, of course, and we ought to know it.
on December 12th, 2008 at 11:23 am
I would assume they meant “important” as a sarcastic remark, considering how much they’ve documented him being more of a lunatic than charismatic.
Either way, I hope that his conviction is step one in outlawing this kind of cyber-terrorism. Philip Eide, you’re next!
on December 12th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
If somebody really wants to do some good, they’ll find some legal dirt on Alex Linder and the other fine folks over at VNN
on December 12th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
From what I understand, the VNN is full of has-beens, homosexuals, wannabe`s and other sorted “rejects” who could not fit into the mainstream WNs.
on December 12th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
To be fair, all the WN groups are full of has-been’s, homosexuals, wannabes and other assorted rejects. That’s just the nature of the beast.
on December 13th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
The SPLC is attempting to devalue the importance
of the National Alliance, because it knows full well
that even though the organization did of course have
a set-back in the death of Dr. Pierce and some internal
problems that was to be expected, it is by no means
almost non-existent. The National Alliance, partly because
of the resulting failure of these off-shoot groups, has
been able to rebuild its membership back too and beyond
those numbers that existed at the time of Dr.Pierces
untimely death and continues, because of its solid world
view and philosophy of life, to recruit those who see the
writing on the wall, especially since Obama and the
left-wing liberals are to take power in January. The NA
has been around a long time, perfecting its program and
preparing for future events, to redeem its efforts towards
realizing a separate racialist state that will advance our
people beyond the now existing limitations and barriers
that the present democratic process now imposes upon
us.The NA represents the only viable fighting force to
oppose the Leftest marxist assault upon our western
civilization and the survival of the Aryan race.
on December 15th, 2008 at 1:51 am
Just give these creeps like Bill White enough rope and they will eventually hang themselves. It would be nice to see Bill White put in a prison cell with a great big African American guy that thinks Bill would make a nice “prison wife!” That would be justice and serve as an example to all of these neo-Nazi creeps that joining hate groups and harassing others does not pay.
on December 15th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Will this ever end
on December 15th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
When I hear/read about people like Bill White I think that they must have had a lousy and abusive childhood. Why else would they, if, in fact they are sane and no one has said any differently, be so vicious?
on December 15th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Johnny Lee is a criminal just like he says Bill is. Johnny wishes that Bill gets raped in prison. Bill wished a crime upon someone as well.
on December 16th, 2008 at 7:32 am
Hallman, first I refer you to this posting:
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/...../#comments
so you can see how easily your arguments and claims are destroyed. It should give you pause to think about the information you have been receiving.
The other thing I wanted to ask you about personally, is whether you are actually aware of the situation with the NA or not. See, the SPLC for a long time has in fact over-estimated the NA. In fact, the NA reached its peak of members somewhere around the 80s, and this was most likely under 1,000 people. Think about that for a second when you consider what happened after Pierce died.
Logically, there are two explanations for your claims about the NA.
1. Ignorance. In this case, perhaps you found the NA online, use the Resistance forum, and talk to members on the internet. Or perhaps you know a couple NA guys in person but it’s a small group, probably about two or three people, perhaps calling themselves a proto-unit. Because of your lack of experience in the movement and outside information, they have probably led you to believe that the organization is much bigger.
In fact, if you are a spokesman, you might find the following words familiar: “We don’t count numbers. We estimate we have several thousand members in the US, and around ten thousand supporters. We don’t give out our numbers, only estimates. We look for quality, not quantity. The NA is growing.” Any of that sound oddly familiar to you, Hallman? Perhaps Gliebe has decided to decrease those numbers for the sake of believability(to outsiders that is), but the idea is the same.
If ignorance is the cause of all this, I suggest you start doing some research, and start asking questions. But I warn you ahead of time that asking the wrong questions about the NA is likely to result in you being kicked out. However, in time you will realize that would be a good thing.
Now there is another possible reason for your claims about the NA, and that is simply that you work at the head office in West Virginia, and that you are simply a liar. I hope that’s not the case.
Now for another step on your journey to enlightenment, would you please substantiate the claim that Obama and the “liberals” in congress are Marxists. Show your work.
on December 16th, 2008 at 8:17 am
It appears that Southern Poverty Law Center is inciting criminal activity against people. Proof of this has been saved via screen capture and will be reported to the authorities.
You people are evil and will be punished.
on December 16th, 2008 at 11:03 am
‘If ignorance is the case in all this, I suggest you do some research, and start asking questions.”
Asian,
I think you are wasting time with Hallman and I’m sure that those with a rationale independent thinking minds would agree.
“Ignorance” doesn’t suit itself with researches, instead there is only 2 possibilities into Hallman`s lack of credibility regarding the current vapid state of the NA;
1.) He’s a retard, plain and simple.
2.) Or in your words of what you just stated above, he could be a psychopathetic “liar”.
What ever the case is with Hallman. I figured the best way to beat “ignorance” is to simply ignore his nonsensical ramblings. He hasn’t been able to post credits to his arguments or “claims” to back them up. So basically, he’s refuted to be at a loss here.
on December 16th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
keep up the good work with reporting the activity of these individuals. Keeping us informed lessens their effect.
on December 16th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Call me a humanitarian GENO(by the way, it’s AsLan!!!#$^), but I think I am helping this guy. If he is just a liar, it could be because he has a vested interest in the NA, like someone who works for them. Another possible reason is that he is one of those movement cheerleaders- who sits behind a keyboard and praises anything that calls itself “pro-white”. Such people tend to be disconnected from reality, such as Uber-nutcase John de Nugent.
But judging from his poor grammar and spelling, it is likely that he is somewhat young, and simply knows the alliance through the internet. Thus he doesn’t know better.
on December 16th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Sorry Aslan, I kept saying “Asian” the whole time. I kept typing in the “i” instead of the “L”. I will make sure its Aslan next time. My bad.
Anyhow, I beg to differ. I don’t think Hallman is a “young man” he certainly doesn’t sound like one. Many White Supremacists regardless of their age, tend to be uneducated individuals, high school drop outs, ex-cons and criminals, the sorts that are easy prey by WN`s recruiting methods. Many of them are brainwashed in a world surrounded by fear and lies in terms of race relations, in an effort to drive them into violent acts for someone else`s own discord. Such as this “Pierce” fella Hallman keeps referring to. Nimrods like him won’t fall for anything to the contrary unless its “pro-White” and anti-Semitic.
Likewise.
But if you think you can “help” this poor White guy refrain from falling for something that’s based entirely upon a fallacious concept. Then carry on. Since you have more knowledge into the NA/WN`s perceptional dogma as you were once a member yourself. And I say you are more accurate in your assertions to pointing this out about the WN than those purportly to be “members” themselves.
I’d rather stick to the insinuation that Hallman is a “Johnny come lately” because he thinks its cool to be a part of something that’s timeworn and ineffective.
on December 16th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
I had the occasion to have a conversation with White.
It was short at my choice.
When I questioned his relevance and goals he stuttered.
That’s enough for me I said, and as I left I promised to kick his ass if he came to Alabama.
That threat was in person and for the benifit of many.
on December 17th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Another threat of violence. Ken you are very similar to Bill in character and nature.
on December 17th, 2008 at 10:53 am
You anti racist activists are a very odd bunch. You’re very similar to the anti abortion activists where you are willing to kill or hurt someone for your cause.
on December 17th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Aslan, GENO:
I really have better things to do than try and convince
people such as yourselves that the so-called civil-rights
movement as it stands today, if not through intent, has
had the effect of reducing the political, economic, and
cultural influence of whites in this country,if not destroying
us bilologically through open border policies in which
non-whites are flooding into our country essentially commiting democraphic genocide. There is absolutely
no nation on earth made-up of non-whites that would
allow their population to be essentially displaced as ours
is today.
on December 18th, 2008 at 2:14 am
Actually Jim, White has received similar threats from within the WN movement. Will Williams offered $1000 to anyone who would go and kick his ass.
on December 18th, 2008 at 9:45 am
“the so called civil rights movement as it stands today, if not throught intent has had the effects of reducing political, economic, cultural influence of whites”
Wow…..(sigh) that’s retarded. Let it be known that as grossly ill-informed as you already are, my foe, is that the true purpose of the Civil Rights movement isn`t about “reducing” anything you assinine implied above, but rather to preserve the Rights of non-Whites which was very limited and copiously violated by Whites. The Civil Rights has nothing to do with the “economics” and “cultures” swayed in by Whites but instead to “influence” the bipartisan politics by eradicating biases, bigotry injustices and discrimination practiced by Whites in the last century. So basically, you have your head on backwards regarding the Civil Right`s true definative terms. So what I’m led to believed is that you were fed with the fallacious concepts that are based entirely upon lies, as I stated before. Such as the true “intent” of the NA/WN.
“destroying us biologically through open border policies in which non-whites are flooding into this country essentially committing democraphic [sic] genocide.”
You sound weak, inept and pathetic as if Whites are incapable surviving such a non-existent “GENO”cidal campaign. But alas, I and my people as a Native Americans were able to survive the White Man`s “Manifest Destiny” or their obliterational attempts for the last 400 years, and yet our population continues to grow and maintain preserverance which proves that we are survivors. Enabling to prove the White critics wrong that we are not a “vanishing race”. But in reality of all this, what you are saying isn’t true. Its your inability to produce adequate children and race-mixing which is a givin choice between 2 couples are said to be popular factors into your racial demise. “Open Borders” doesn’t play a role. The Civil Rights movement had nothing to do with the border agendas nor does it creates such policies for “open borders”. I think you are in serious dire need of help. Sounds like I’m talking to someone with a severe case of paranioa episodes, like the assumption that black helicopters are following him….
on December 18th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Understanding the psychological underpinnings of conservatism
and right-wing ideologies has for centuries posed a challenge for historians, philosophers, and social scientists. By now, hundreds of empirical investigations have been carried out worldwide, and at least three types of theories have been offered to explicate the psychological bases of conservative and right-wing ideologies. Many different theoretical accounts of conservatism over the past 50 years have stressed motivational underpinnings, but they have identified different needs as critical. Our review brings these
diverse accounts together for the first time.
Variables significantly associated with conservatism, we now know, include: fear and aggression, dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguous knowledge or situations, fear of uncertainty and avoidance of such, need for cognitive closure, personal need for structure (rules, laws, authority figures), excessive fear and need to manage terror, group-based dominance, and system justifications that rationalize the status quo.
From: POLITICAL CONSERVATISM AS MOTIVATED SOCIAL COGNITION
DHS Center For Excellence In Terrorism/Counter-Terrorism Research
on December 18th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
That is quite interesting, but I would warn against one thing: a commonly held belief about right-wingers is related to the so-called authoritarian personality. This is based mainly on Freudian theory which somewhat faulty. As an ex-right winger, I can say that theories about the authoritarian personality are not accurate, and may serve to make liberals and certain progressives feel superior or elite(this is actually a common idea, which right-wingers use as well).
The right has preferred for at least 20 years to portray itself as a small group of rebels against a liberal dominated, “politically correct” establishment. They are not motivated by a desire to conform to anything(at least not consciously), but rather a desire to stand out from the crowd.
on December 18th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
I think most of U.S. hate groups just need a way to be heard, before they get to the point of Murder, or other sin. All reality becomes too distorted, to go back to what started it all, then at that point. Also without education, they can not effectively get their point across, and Time is a whole other factor. People get nerveous, on that fine line where 2 points meet, and intersect. No matter how hard we think we have it, the poverty stricken countries have always lived with war longer than we have. Our innocence, or ignorance will be the death of us, in many cases.
on December 18th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Just pickin’ a nit here, but it’s a bit of a stretch to describe Virginia Beach as near Roanoke: OK, it’s closer than Montgomery, but still . . . there’s about 250 miles between the two cities.
on December 18th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
I would expect the pre-trial motion to dismiss will be denied. He will need to prepare for trial, especially the jury charges:
[1] The standard 5th Circuit jury instruction on “true threat” in an 18 U.S.C. Section 876 prosecution should be consulted, the one I found back in 1990, anyway;
[2] A 7th Circuit decision perhaps from early 1990s, entitled U.S. Schneider, does have a phrase: “…the rhetoric of hyperbole that comes so easily to the lips of angry Americans…”;
[3] The late 2nd Circuit Judge Harold Medino wrote a poem you ought to read, the relevant part of “The Anatomy of Freedom” of which you would fine by looking towards the bottom of the side of every Federal Reporter Second Series, for either Presentation of Portrait or In Memorium, dated some time between the 1960s and 1980s.
[4] “If you don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.”
Noam Chompsky, College Professor, posted on http://www.rense.com.
[5] The First Amendment is a “safety valve” to allow people to express our anger in words to reduce the amount of physicial violence. Whitney v. California (Dissenting opinion by Justice Brandeis)(circa 1928); http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org.
[5] Ask the trial judge to instruct the jury that they may decide the fairness of the law as well as the facts in determining their verdict. [WE ALL KNOW THE TRIAL JUDGE WILL DENY THIS MOTION AND WILL LIE TO THE JURY THAT THEY SHALL CONSIDER THE TRIAL COURT'S INSTRUCTIONS OF LAW EVEN IF THEY DISAGREE WITH THE LAW. BUT IT IS AN APPEALABLE ISSUE WHICH NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT MORE! ONLY TWICE HAVE THE U.S. SUPREME COURT ADDRESSED THIS FRAUD UPON THE JURY ISSUE: SPARF AND HANSEN V. UNITED STATES (1895); AND A CASE SOME TIME AROUND 1994. LET US BRING THIS ISSUE UP MORE OFTEN! DON'T FORGET: THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE NOT TEACHING THE LAW AND CERTAINLY DO NOT TEACH JURY NULLIFICATION. NOR DO PUBLIC SCHOOLS TEACH THE STATE CONSTITUTION!!
During Closing Statements/Summation to the jury, remind them that they have the unreviewable authority to decide the validity of the law as well as the facts in determining their verdict! [Even if the trial judge refuses to instruct the jury for this!! Wave a Governor's Jury Rights Proclamation of September 9 to the jury and read it to them. http://www.fija.org would have one. I have a couple of them! In addition, read the "power to the people" provision of your State Constitution to the jury, which usually states to the effect that the people are soverign and the people have the authority to alter or reform the government when the public good requires it and that their unreviewable authority to veto a prosecution makes them more powerful than the U.S. President and Congress!!!].
on December 18th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
S’ok. Bill was a loudmouth hypocrite that makes the rest of us look bad, we won’t miss him much. What will be more satisfying will be seeing Morris Dees and Mark Potok indicted for the crimes they’re committing. Only difference between them and Bill is they haven’t been caught. Yet.
on December 19th, 2008 at 2:51 am
Geno:
How you can deny the effects that immigration can
have on the future of white people reveals not only
ignorance but a vile hatred towards white people in
general. As for Native Americans, yes, we can see how well they’ve survived, being relagated to reservations
that would make Harlem look like Disneyland. No
civilization has ever been established without force
and bloodshed, and in the case of the indian, they
were inferior to the whites in every respect. Of course
when whites first came to America we were the minority
looking for a better life, and in the case of those first
Christian whites from England were actually trying to
make piece with the native, and what did thay recieve
in return, their womean were gang raped, their children
kidnapped and their menfolk tortured, murdered and
then mutilated. It was only after our numbers increased
that we were able to start giving as good as we had gotten,
and only then did the indian suddenly want to smokem
piece pipe. The myth of the noble indian is just that, a
myth, and for those whites that seem to think it some-
thing to be proud of to brag about being one-quater creek,
chocktaw or what-ever is stupid. You don’t see whites
going around boasting about being one quarter NEGRO
do you!
on December 19th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
FreeSpeechAdvocate, Good stuff there but these liberal extremists don’t give a crap about the constitution or rulings of it’s meaning. They feel the Constitution is a “living breathing document” that should be changed.
There is no group of people are more pro establishment, pro political correctness, pro big government than these radical liberals.
on December 19th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
James Hallman: said, “in the case of the Indian, they
were inferior to the whites in every respect”. It’s pathetic and asinine for you to make such a comment. You are truly a dyed-in-the-wool racist! The American Indian had their own culture and lived in peace prior to your invasion of their land as so-called Christians! The Indians helped these “superior” individuals survive the most harshest of winters and in return for their kindness, these “superior” beings repaid them by giving the Indian’s blanket’s infected with small pox! You gentiles are the most vicious, treacherous creatures on this earth. Not all, but the uneducated and ignorant inbred’s. Typical of the likes of Jeffery Dahmer, John Gacy to name two of countless many, a very sick people. It would have served the likes of you to be jettisoned through the seating hole in the outhouse during labor. Apparently many of you survived after lying in the fecal matter many hours until the birth giver realized it wasn’t a constipated bowel movement, the toxic fumes exacerbated the incestuous brain damage. Where ignorance is tolerated, intelligence cannot prevail!
on December 19th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Bill White should spend the rest of his natural life in solitary confinement with insects as companions.
on December 21st, 2008 at 10:57 am
Immigration by “others” doesn’t bother me so much as the rantings and ravings by the xenophobic lunatic fringe.
on December 21st, 2008 at 6:32 pm
More paranoid nonsense from “the other guy” in the NA.
“How you can deny the effects that immigration can
have on the future of white people reveals not only
ignorance but a vile hatred towards white people in
general.”
Irrational paranoid fear- I lived in America all my life and never experienced some kind of collective hatred toward white people.
” As for Native Americans, yes, we can see how well they’ve survived, being relagated to reservations
that would make Harlem look like Disneyland.”
Whose fault was that?
” No
civilization has ever been established without force
and bloodshed, and in the case of the indian, they
were inferior to the whites in every respect.”
Just as many “whites” were when the Turks or Mongols arrived in certain areas. These things aren’t a matter of genetics.
“Of course
when whites first came to America we were the minority
looking for a better life, ”
What do you mean “we”? There is nothing siginficant in common between you and those people, and those early pioneers may have had no connection to you.
“and in the case of those first
Christian whites from England were actually trying to
make piece with the native, and what did thay recieve
in return, their womean were gang raped, their children
kidnapped and their menfolk tortured, murdered and
then mutilated.”
Uh…no. Perhaps in fantasy land- yes.
“It was only after our numbers increased
that we were able to start giving as good as we had gotten,
and only then did the indian suddenly want to smokem
piece pipe. The myth of the noble indian is just that, a
myth, and for those whites that seem to think it some-
thing to be proud of to brag about being one-quater creek,
chocktaw or what-ever is stupid.”
There are many myths about Native Americans, but your alternate history here is simply laughable.
” You don’t see whites
going around boasting about being one quarter NEGRO
do you!”
So would such a person be considered white by you? Because 1/4 is enough to be considered a Jew by you folks.
on December 22nd, 2008 at 11:24 am
‘How can you deny the affects that immigration has on the future of White people reveals not only ignorance but a vile hatred towards White people in general.”
First the SPLC did not forward me the response from Hallman until I had to check back and read the comment section since I already checked in the box on my first post in here. Perhaps they’re trying to prevent me from responding to Hallman`s lame and puny arguments? That’s why I stated before that the Jews censorship works both ways, on Whites and non-Whites alike.
Hallman first ask your sorry self on who is to blame for the poorly enforced immigration laws? The White Man`s Government both left and right. And I don’t deny anything other than the fact that what you say is entirely wrong and laughable. It doesn’t “reveal ignorance’ to see the truth of the matter, its only ignorance to deny the truth as you always do. And as for your idiotic assumption that I hate White people in general is downright incorrect. I can prove to you that I do have a lot of White friends anymore than you can prove to me that you have non-White friends to which you do not. That would be too easy for me to prove you wrong. But yeah, what you don’t understand, is that White Supremacists such as yourself are *not* the general White population but an insignificant few, you know, like a minority. So allow me to put it this way for your low functioning mind–
Its the White Supremacists that I careless about. Plain & simple.
“And in the case of the indian, they were inferior to Whites in every respect.”
Lol. Wow you White Supremacists are so funny.
As far as “respect” goes, there’s nothing “respecful” about the fact that Whites were superior or non-Whites are “inferior”. Thats the only antiquated and outdated notiion I keep hearing, is that the best you can say? Its sort of like a bully saying he’s bigger than the little one, at least the little one has more balls and courage to stand up to the cowardly bully. So basically the little one has got heart and other valuable traits that the bully doesn’t have. So in other words you only see everything in racial terms but nothing beyond. “Respect” comes from integrity, wisdom and knowledge, not from who’s “superior”. That’s poor excuse of an argument there.
“As for the Native Americans, yes we see how well they have survived being relegated to reservations. That would make Harlem look like Disneyland.”
Blah! Hahahaha….
Yeah sure buddy, with all that bad air quality, filth, pollutants, gang homicides, high crime rates so on and on, not to mention terror targets, at least when a castrophe were to strike, you’re basically trapped in the city. Its better to survive in the country such as the reservation or small town than it is in the city. The chances for survival on the rez or a small town is 10 times greater than that in the city. Seriously I could careless about living in the city. That’s retarded!!!
“in the case with the first Christian whites from England were actually trying to make piece[sic] the natives and what did they receive in return, their womean[sic] were gang raped, their children kidnapped and their menfolk tortured, murdered, and mutialated.”
Yeah like after you started committing atrocities on the Natives who welcomed you in the first place. But of course, you don’t know hoot about the true historical aspects regarding the first arrivals. You only know the murders, mutialations and tortures of Whites part of it.
“and for those whites that seem to think its something to be proud of to brag about being one quarter creek, choctaw or whatever…”
LOL….
Seriously I could careless about those “Whites” and to me, they’re are as “White” as the next White Man and I think they should be themselves by being “White”.
The rest of your argument makes no sense, you garner no education whosever, that includes, writing, spelling, literacy, history, the whole bit. But alas, that’s what being a White Supremacist is all about right?
on December 22nd, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Another misconception about true Natives, I like to point out is–
What’s with this “Noble” talk coming from the White Man the Anglo-Saxon? Its was the White Man that gave this “Noble” image to the Natives. Hence, the Natives never referred or regarded themselves as “Noble” by any means. That’s all B.S to begin with. Blame that catch phrase on the White Man if you don’t like the ‘Noble” image of it.
on December 23rd, 2008 at 7:51 am
True, the white man concocted many positive myths about the Native Americans as well, only to later get pissed off about them as though it were the Natives that made them up. Just like the myth of black sexual supremacy- whites made it up, and then get angry about it.
on December 23rd, 2008 at 11:10 am
Geno:
The very people that gave the Indian the label ‘Noble’, are the very people who today gives the blacks
the idiot notion of ,’equal’. If you were to give whites their own living space, independence, and a government check as we have given the indians today, I’m sure we would have faired better than these indians, who supposedly are so proud of their heritage ,who have chosen to stay drunk, unemployed and blame the white man for all their problems.
And as I said before, it was the white people who were outnumbered and at a disadvantage in the beginning. If the indians were not inferior in many respects, it would be us on the reservation instead of the other way around.
The fact, is that I really don’t have a problem with the indian or blacks, it’s all the belly-aching and twisted historical revisionism that trys to make the whites feel that we owe them something, all the while they doing absolutely nothing to reveal themselves to be the equals they claim to be.
Whether it’s a town,city or nation, if blacks dominate it, it sucks and you know it. The reason Africa is in the shape it’s in today is because of the people who inhabit the continent, not because of the whites. In fact, anything you can think good about Africa other than it’s wildlife is a direct result of European influence.
The reason AIDS is so bad in Africa today, is the direct result of their leaders ignorance and corruption and the peoples natural inclination to breed like rats. And Bushes giving them 50 billion dollars of our money to try and improve his sorry legacy isn’t going to change anything.
I’m not trying to be mean spirited or hateful, I’m simply giving the facts that people do not want to except as being the truth.
on December 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 am
Aaron:
The European survived the Ice-Age to become
a dominate force in the world. We would have made
our way in this hemisphere with or without the indians
asistance. As for living in peace. The Indians were at
war among each other long before we came here. So
much for that bit of liberal/Jew mythology
There will always be conflict between races of man when
trying to inhabit the same living space, whether it’s one
indian tribe against another tribe or whites against indians
or whites against blacks for that matter. This is why the
NA feels that it would be best for whites to live among themselves in peace without the burden and exploitation
of non-whites.
on December 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Enough of the anti-Caucasian hate speech. You liberal extremists need to control yourselves.
Whites are different than blacks that are different than orientals that are different than Indians. It’s just like the different breeds of dogs. There are smart breeds, there are dumb breeds, there are fast running breeds, there are slow breeds, but they are all dogs.
In the case of humans, there are even genetic differences. For example, blacks can get sickle cell anemia. Whites can not get it. Yes, we are different and anyone who says we aren’t really needs to open their eyes.
These differences even lead to reasonable explanations of why, where the first man walked, in Africa, is still so far behind from an evolutionary standpoint. In all reality they should be the most technologically advanced civilization.
Look at the planet at night. The entire continent of Africa is almost completely dark. Almost every country in Africa is in a civil war and punishment for crime is to chop body parts off or set them on fire while kicking them to death. The ignorance runs so deep that they feel the way to heal yourself from AIDS is to rape a child.
You radical liberals really need to drop the white hate speech. I don’t think you will get the average “Joe” to buy it. Most of us are proud of who we are and have come to a limit where we feel that there is too much reverse racism in the United States and are simply sick of it.
on December 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm
“The very people that gave the indians the label “Noble” are the very people who today gives Blacks the idiot notion of “equal”.”
They are the “very people” with whom you stated ealier as purported to be the first “Christians” from “England”, who were spreading the rumor all over England regarding the Natives of the “New World” as “Noble Savages”. They are the “very people” who brought in Black slaves from Africa including Irish slaves, only to later whine and complain about the presence of Blacks today.
“And if you were to give whites their living space, independence, and a government check as we have given the indians today,”
And the Whites already have all 3 of them and don’t try to play that denial B.S. In fact, Whites already collect more SSI, Disability, and other “government checks” than do non-Whites.
“And I’m sure we would have faired better than these indians,”
And its highly unlikely since Whites have the tendency/desire to be greedy which then leads to frauds, scams, corruption, and malfeasance. Just what we are seeing today and its all too common citing the famously recent Rod Blagojevich case.
“who supposedly are so proud of their heritage,”
That’s right! We got pride, baby! Lol.
And it shows.
“Who have chosen to stay drunk, unemployed and blame the white man for all their problem.”
Actually that’s a ancient stereotype about indians being drunk as the same as viewing trailer park hill billy`s as METH addicts and incestuous.
“Unemployment” rate is high everywhere in the world because of the White Man`s Government had failed to de/relgulate Wall St. & big corporations and promoting capitalism. Blame the high unemployment rates on the White Man. Also, I don’t blame the Natives for being upset witb the fact that the White Man has broken every treaty in the book, the treaties which were created/designed by the White Man is the epitome of betrayal, mistrust, and mismanagement.
“As I stated before it was the white people who were outnumbered and at a disavantage in the beginning.”
Yes, poor you, which is why the Natives did a ‘noble” thing, by helping the “disavantaged” Whites, who could not survive in the New World “in the begininng”.
“And if the indians were not inferior in many respects,”
And unfortunately for you, we`re not. We are flourishing.
“The fact is I really don’t have a problem with indians or blacks,”
Oh, what a crock…..yeah right.
“Its the belly-aching and twisted historical revisionism that makes whites feel that we owe them something.”
Why of course, you stole our land you dummy, draining the land of its resources without paying the orginal Native owners. And as for the Blacks, maybe you owe them Equal Opportunities.
“While they doing absolutely nothing to reveal themselves as equals as they claim to be.”
Sorry but MLK has garnered more respect and praise amongst different racial entities than did George Lincoln Rockwell and David Duke combined. Plus there way too numerous non-Whites who have accomplished a lot. The names are is almost endless. Its too bad you feel sorry for youself, you lack pride and basic wisdom because all you ever do on here is nag, whine, and complain like a little old hag. I can only assumed that it must suck to be you. Lets hope you don’t go on to hurt yourself or worse.
Adios amigo.
on December 23rd, 2008 at 3:14 pm
“The European survived the Ice-Age to become
a dominate force in the world.”
Actually pretty much everybody survived the ice age, genius. Plus, Europeans have been a dominant force off and on only for a few hundred years. Large groups of Europeans came under the domination of non-Europeans several times in European history, and European empires lost quite easily to the Arabs and Turks at various times.
“There will always be conflict between races of man when
trying to inhabit the same living space, whether it’s one
indian tribe against another tribe or whites against indians
or whites against blacks for that matter. ”
Have you ever heard of Bosnia and Herzegovina? Same race, virtually the same three ethnic groups. How much harmony did they have there? How about Georgia and Abkhazia? Ireland and England, Scotland and England, France and England, Russia and Poland, ad infinitum. There is no historical evidence of European peoples banding together around this idea of “race”, much less “white race”. White is largely an American invention.
on December 23rd, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Busy day today…
“Enough of the anti-Caucasian hate speech. You liberal extremists need to control yourselves.”
WHAT ANTI-CAUCASIAN HATE SPEECH? Be specific for a change instead of acting as though we all accept your flawed assumptions about life in America.
“Whites are different than blacks that are different than orientals that are different than Indians. It’s just like the different breeds of dogs. There are smart breeds, there are dumb breeds, there are fast running breeds, there are slow breeds, but they are all dogs.”
First of all, this is a bad analogy because dogs in general and all their breeds are largely the product of human design, not nature. You say “whites are different than blacks”, for example, but were you aware of the vast genetic differences in Africa between groups that for all intents and purposes, appear to be black?
Indeed genetics play a factor in someone’s ability, but what research has shown is that these kinds of markers do not cluster or group around people with the same markers causing them to be labelled “white” or black. In fact, many people you would call white have a VERY different genetic ancestry than you. They could be Arab, Turkic, or even from the Indian subcontinent.
“In the case of humans, there are even genetic differences. For example, blacks can get sickle cell anemia. Whites can not get it. Yes, we are different and anyone who says we aren’t really needs to open their eyes.”
How does this justify segregation?
“These differences even lead to reasonable explanations of why, where the first man walked, in Africa, is still so far behind from an evolutionary standpoint. In all reality they should be the most technologically advanced civilization.”
Why should they be the most technologically advanced? Do you know what the silk road is? Were you aware that civilization started in Sumeria?
“Look at the planet at night. The entire continent of Africa is almost completely dark. Almost every country in Africa is in a civil war and punishment for crime is to chop body parts off or set them on fire while kicking them to death. The ignorance runs so deep that they feel the way to heal yourself from AIDS is to rape a child.”
In lily white Eastern Europe they sell their people as slaves, and people die on the streets, what is your point? HIV in Russia alone is said to be comparable to Africa.
“You radical liberals really need to drop the white hate speech.”
WHAT….WHITE…HATE…SPEECH?
” I don’t think you will get the average “Joe” to buy it. Most of us are proud of who we are and have come to a limit where we feel that there is too much reverse racism in the United States and are simply sick of it.”
You can feel that way, but you would be wrong. The fact that this idea is so popular still in America today is a testament to the fact that reverse racism does not exist in any significant or institutionalized way.
Well, that’s two down.
on December 23rd, 2008 at 7:15 pm
‘You liberal extremists need to control yourselves.”
Only retards would think this is a “left” and right” argument. Why is that?! Ever since I became aware and interested in politics nearly 4 years ago, I have never registered myself as a Democrat or Republican(despite the fact that I did vote for Barack Obama). I don’t fit in neither party. Whatever happened to the Independents and “Lone Wolves” like myself?!
on December 24th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Sorry, but I can not respond to you. My rebuttal made you look foolish for the responses you gave. The blog owner is protecting you and censored my post. This is strange as you are an adult and I think that you would be able to take criticism of your post.
Once this web site is open to free speech I will post. It is clear that the blog owner wants to direct communication in a mannor where strong arguments do not get through and the only ones that do are easily defendable. The same thing that radical liberal television does. They will allow a token republican on but they must have weak views.
on December 24th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
“The indians were at war amongst each other long before we came here.”
True. But you’re speaking about something that happened like over 3 centuries ago. But at least the White European continued to fight amongst each other through the “7 Years War”, “The Revolutionary War” and “The Civil War” and many other wars in Euorpe before that.
And here we are today, centuries later the entire WN/White Supremacist Movement is still imploding and fighting with one another……
on December 29th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Yeah Hooch, I’m sure you made us all look foolish. For the record, some of my posts have been deleted as well. Also, in case you haven’t lurked enough, you might note that open Neo-Nazis are allowed to post- far from featherweight republicans.
It is probably best for your ego that they censored your post- lest it be turned around on you.
on December 30th, 2008 at 11:18 am
After reading the comments here I can only say, Here’s to the Leftist Marxist Assault…hip hip hooray!!! And to the Aryan race..Booo!!!
on December 31st, 2008 at 9:21 am
“My rebuttal made you look foolish for the responses you gave.”
Actually its names like “Hooch” that makes one “look foolish” already….
It reminds of that nasty foamin rabid chow in that Tom Hanks hit movie “Turner & Hooch”.
If you think you are the only one who believes his posts are deleted or not posted at all, then you really must be foolish to begin with. Its the Jews that run this forum and they are known to censor everyone`s posts regardless of your stance, it is not limited to the White Supremacists like yourself. But since you may be new here, I won’t hold that against you.
“This is strange as you are an adult and I think you would be able to take criticisms of your post.”
Dude are you blind? Or did you just come up with that lame concept? Just wondering. Why didn’t you read the entire posts before saying something to the contrary? I and Aslan probably take in the most “criticisms” than any other poster on here. But since you are new and haven’t a clue, i`ll just dismiss this nonsense coming from another “Johnny Come Lately.”
on January 1st, 2009 at 10:58 pm
I’m glad this little pissant’s getting what he deserves!
on January 10th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Just so everyone’s clear on why we sometimes delete posts: We don’t want the comment section to descend into simple name-calling vitriol. I’ve generally left in the less egregious name-calling, but when the posts are simply nasty personal attacks or include real racial slurs and the like, I tend to delete them. We are not trying to censor political arguments, including white nationalist arguments, at all. In fact, we’ve tried hard to err on the side of free and unrestrained speech.
on January 15th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Mark
I have fallen prey to your moderation, and in my case I understood that the term I used was inappropriate.
However, I tend to agree with the lady Lisa from above. If hatewatch is an open line of communication that we from each exaggerated side can come together and voice our opinion then so be it more power to this effort.
This weekend the ACK will be attending the inaugural at the Birmingham Boutwell auditorium. We have also notified the 16th street baptist church by mail as to the sincerity of acceptance of the changes we have all begun to realize and appreciate as freedom from the bondage of mistakes of the past..
There must be a legitimate group of representatives for all beliefs and inherited cultures.
When the idea of such a profound forum is accepted then maybe we can have meetings at your Montgomery headquarters.
I advise all Klans People should re-evaluate their lives and promote racial acceptance as we have much larger internal American issues to address as the Israel/Iran conflict dumps the next wave of middle east immigrant/refugees on our shores.
We, all have one bond during the old civil rights era, that’s old time christian religion, we all pray thru the same Savior, he is who we should defend, color of skin has nothing to do with in God We Trust.
I miss those old one room sundy school churches that were anxiously filled with believers and witnesses of all God People.
on January 16th, 2009 at 8:22 am
What does the ACLU think about the Southern Poverty Law Center’s attacks against our freedom of speech?
on February 15th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Bill White’s group NEVER had as many as 150 members……..15 at the most! He’sa fraud and a traitor.
on December 7th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
OK so i just want to make something clear. Anyone who claims faith in God would not write racist things. Jesus was born in the middle east….. Meaning he was probably NOT white. God loves all of his children, not just the whie ones. Its nobodys fault what kind of parents they were born too. BLACK WHITEW BROWN GREEN PURPLE the color does not matter. A person is a person. There are good and bad in every race. We all bleed the same color, cry, feel pain, joy, love, pain, and thats regardless of the color. Experience has taught me that anyone who is racist is narrow minded. They have far too much hate in their hearts. I was born into a family who was moderatly racist. I have learned that racism is in excusable. Remember the person you consider lower is literally the same genetic make up as you. If you dont believe that look up DR. Templetons study on Genetic differences between races. You will find there is no such thing as race. We are truley the same regardless of what your beliefs. The people you ridicule for being different just might be the greatest people you ever had the chance to know. But rather than trying to get to know them you turned them away the first chance you got. WHY? Because your under the impression your better than them? Well your not better than anyone. If you dont pay for your cruelties in this life you will for sure in the next. Remember that next time you think your racism is warrented.
on April 21st, 2011 at 2:48 pm
I was white. I was a Jew. If you want salvation, I can help you. Love,
Jesus