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SPLC Asks CNN to Remove Dobbs
As regular readers of this blog know, we’ve had a tangle or two with CNN’s in-house immigrant-basher, Lou Dobbs. In 2007, we had a major dustup with the host of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” over his wholly false claim that 7,000 new cases of leprosy had appeared in a recent three-year period in the United States, due at least in part to immigrants. (The reality was that about 400 new cases appeared during the period, and it’s not known if any of them were linked to immigrants.) The battle subjected Dobbs a series of humiliations, including being described by The New York Times as a man with “a somewhat flexible relationship with reality.”
To the surprise of very few familiar with Dobbs, the CNN host is at it again. Now, he’s joined with the conspiracy nuts pushing the wholly unsubstantiated claim that Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and therefore cannot legally hold the office of president. The fact that this claim has been disproved by CNN’s own reporters seems to mean nothing at all to Dobbs, who has come in for criticism in recent days from all kinds of quarters for joining hands with the “birthers.”
Today, Richard Cohen, president of the Southern Poverty Law Center, sent a letter to CNN President Jonathan Klein asking for action. “Respectable news organizations should not employ reporters willing to peddle racist conspiracy theories and false propaganda,” Cohen concludes in his letter. “It’s time for CNN to remove Mr. Dobbs from the airwaves.”
Cohen also wrote Klein in 2007 about Dobbs’ leprosy claims, but CNN took no action. Dobbs has also promoted a series of other falsehoods and conspiracy theories about immigrants.
on July 24th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Praise the SPLC for asking CNN to remove the lie vomiting host everyone loves to bash–Lou Dobbsy. Even if CNN doesn’t remove Dobbsy. At least keeping the pressure on them will do over a period of time some damaging interference, eventually, they will start to hear the legions scream for the usurpation of Lou Dobbsy. CNN is quite stubborn on this subject. But if Glen Beck was removed previously, then so can Lou Dobbsy.
Then he can go over and join his suckbuddy–Bill O’Reilly on FAUXnews Network.
on July 24th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Yes!
on July 24th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
As hateful and mean-spirited as Lou Dobbs and all the other hate-talkers are, they are covered by the First Amendment. It is up to readers and listeners to evaluate information they get from “entertainers” posing as journalists very, very carefully. The best way to defeat Lou Dobbs is to not watch him. No entertainer can last long if he/she has no audience.
on July 24th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I am just curious, has the SPLC ever asked Keith Olberman or others of his hate speech to be removed from the air. I am not a fan of Lou Dobbs but censorship?
on July 24th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Joking right?
BO could be born in the White House and he is STILL NO eligible to be POTUS…have you ever ever heard of the CONSTITUTION…H E L L O ?
He is not a natural born citizen whether he was born in Hawaii or not it DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL since his father his from Kenya= not natural born citizen= NOT ELIGIBLE!
on July 24th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Hey, I hear that Lou Dobbs isn’t a citizen of the US. He has fake ID and is a terrorist mole. Pass it on…
on July 24th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Has Mauka READ the law? A natural born citizen is ANYONE –regardless of parentage — born in the territory of the United States.
on July 24th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Whoa! “Mauka,” who links to lawyer/dentist/real estate agent Orly Taitz (no joke), needs to do some serious legal research on the meaning of “natural born citizen.” Or, just take a passing glance at the 14th Amendment. Anyone born in the United States is a citizen, irrespective of the citizenship of his or her parents. That’s basic constitutional law.
If Ms. Taitz is making that argument in federal court she may want to familiarize herself Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
on July 24th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
It’s funny that the SPLC believes it needs to “tussle” with Lou Dobbs over a mistatement he made concerning leprosy. Maybe you should “tussle” with Obama for saying that 10,000 people were killed in a tornado in the midwest – when, in fact, there were only a few casualties in a town of 10,000. Or how about when he said that he’d campaigned in every one of the 57 states.
But on to the point of this blog entry – Why won’t Obama produce his birth certificate? Why has he spent ove $800,000 to fight having to produce it?
on July 24th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
If Lou Dobbs is removed due to the demands of splc and other pro-open borders groups, Americans will lose more freedoms– as it is, the mainstream media, such as the New york times, is slanted as far to the left as it can go. Americans who speak out against illegal immigration are all branded as racist xenophobes and are constantly being shut down when they try to speak out.
on July 24th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
YOU all need to READ the constitution once and for all. A naturalized (US Citizen) citizen is not the same as a natural born citizen…BIG DIFFERENCE….THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS you either too dumb to understand the difference or you don’t want to understand it, plain and simple.
on July 24th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Contrary to the wing-ding’s argument, say if Old man John McCain were our president. He doesn’t qualify to be our president. As stated in the U.S. Constitution Article II Section I reads in part–
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen at the time of adoption of this Constitution…: should be eligible for the office of the president.”
So heretofore, Barack Obama was already a “natural born citizen” at the time of adoption of the Constitution as stated therein.
John McCain on the other hand, was born in 1936 on a U.S. Military base in the Panama Canal Zone, which btw, isn’t within the U.S. territory, hence as the Constitution notes.
I suggest the wing-nutz better lay off their METH pipes and start reading the U.S. Constitution.
on July 24th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
I have been fed up to my neck with The Honorable Lou Dobbs, Hannity. He will do an outstanding job on FOX. He is already in the hen house and eating eggs that belongs to others. No. really just remove him.
I started turning the channel from CNN When Fox Dobbs comes on CNN. He is really a joke and should have been removed a long, long, time ago. I guarantee you that he will not have a problem finding a job.
He is 900 percent qualified for FOX, and everybody knows it. I love his mile but I hate to see him on CNN or any other channel except FOX. Please allow him to go home.
GEORGE BOSTON RHYNES
Retired United States Amed Forces Veteran
A concerned citizen and brother of humanity
on July 24th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
With regard to my comment, above, I should have quoted the specific language of the Fourteenth Amendment – Section 1 to be precise:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
The “natural born” language in Article II, Section I, refers to the fact the president has to be a human being, rather than, say, a corporation, partnership or other entity, which, under the law, also can be “citizens” of the United States; it has nothing whatsoever to do with one’s parentage.
on July 24th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Seriously… a letter about Lou Dobbs??? Why not Chris Matthews or Keith Olbermann?? How about bogus websites like mediamatters/salon/dailykos for the absolute CRAP they post constantly.
Lou Dobbs doesn’t represent CNN’s views he represents his OWN views and he is granted that from our Constitution. Just because you don’t like what he says regardless of whether it is the truth or not doesn’t mean he should be fired (or whether you can’t handle the truth).
I would bet money you didn’t write a letter to the head of NBC regarding David Letterman and his sick joke about Sarah Palin’s 14 year old daughter did ya?
on July 25th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Leave Lou Dobbs alone. Obama isn’t an American and shouldn’t be president. The SPLC should be put on the “hate list”. Since Dobbs is white it’s ok to hate him. They only attack whites (of course that’s not racist). I find it funny that the senate questioned McCain’s citizenship, but to ask the same of Obama is racist. When I served in the military it was to defend all Americans rights to question their government. I guess I was wrong, thanks SPLC and all the racists who support them.
on July 25th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
I’d like to see some examples of Keith Olbermann’s “hate speech” from Mr. Zucker please.
And Mauka, before you tell others in a sarcastic manner to read the Constitution, you might want to make sure you have a clue what you are talking about. You just blew off your own foot there.
on July 25th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
As far as wanting Dobbs fired for giving some credence to the Obama citizenship issue, thats just sad. Whats wrong with a debate on the issue? There are some legit questions involved…
…Obama could end this once and for all by releasing a more credible birth document, one that shows which Hawaii hospital he was born in, who the attending physician was, etc. He has not done this.
The Kenyan ambassador says that plans to build a shrine to Obama’s birthplace-in Kenya- are in development…
…this issue matters because the Constitution matters- all of it.
If he was born in Kenya, US law at the time would not allow his mom to convey to him US citizenship- she was too young, vs. her residency, to do so……
To digress- Dobbs wife is Mexican, or of Mexican descent. I dont think hes racist, at least hes not opposed to her, or her being in the US (for now, lol)
on July 25th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Uh, the Senate didn’t question John McCain’s citizenship. The Senate passed a unanimous resolution stating that McCain was a natural born citizen and therefore qualified to be president. By the way, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were among the five co-sponsors of that resolution.
But facts, as Stephen Colbert once observed, have a well-known liberal bias.
on July 25th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
I found it funny that Barry “I never served in our military” Obama was fast to call the Cambridge Police department Stupid. I wonder who Mr. Gates will call the next time someone has him at gun point in his own house, the police. How fast do you think they will get there? He might just want to make a second call to the Corner’s office, because by the time the cops get around to his house, that is who will probably need to be there!
This race problem is tearing this country apart, and folks it is not getting any better. Young white males are coming home angry from Iraq and Afghanistan because they are seeing only a majority of there peers coming home in body bags (83% white males). They see no change in this percentage even with a black Commander in Chief! Blacks and Hispanics are not embracing the long tradition of military service and sacrifice, but yet they want to remind everyone of their struggles.
Enjoy our times, because we are declining, Russia and China just this week are having military maneuvers together; we are ripe to have asses snatched up by those two powers. We are always talking about race; Karl Marx was right when he said we will defeat ourselves.
Our days as a great nation are numbered, oh well our fore fathers warned us!
on July 25th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
I’ve watched conspiracy theories come and go for years but I have to say that the Birthers really bring out the mouthbreathers. The idiotic hyperventilation would be amusing if those involved weren’t so seriously deranged. Without naming names, I think this thread contains examples of my point.
on July 26th, 2009 at 8:53 am
I am so glad you wrote a letter to CNN i thought i was the only one that thought his comments were totally uncalled for and irresponsible. Being someone of dual citizenship I personally have felt the pain of being racially profiled by these crazy people as not being a citizen. Even when i have the original birthcertificate to prove it. For him to continue to promote this on mainstreet media is truly a shadow on CNN’s reputation. I dont watch that channel anymore. I have no more documentation than the president does as do many millions of legal american. It is an insult to all of us. Lou dobbs can promote his crap on this radio show but to promote it on a Network that claims their reporting “is keeping them honest” is hypocritical and unbiased. News should not be biased it to show the facts. This citizenship questioning is neither.
News should be unbiased not biased. Cnn Lou Dobbs comments are neither
on July 26th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Obama is most certainly American, Devin, born in Hawaii, whether you like it or not.
Send Dobbs to join Beck at Fox. He is a lying buffoon who confuses reality w. fantasy or who choses to confuse fact w. wishful thinking. And Beck is so gone from CNN — thank goodness. I never knew whether I wanted to slap him or break out in uncontrollable laughter when he got on his little soapbox.
What is wrong w. Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann? Not jingoistic or hateful enough for you, Kimberly?
on July 26th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
The main problem, and Dobb’s has been consistent in speaking out about this, is that SPLC and others insist on blurring the distinction between legal and illegal immigration, and therefore summarize their criticicisms under the all inclusive “Anti-immigrant” category. This is not honest, to put it bluntly. It does not move the debate over legal or illegal immigration, or hate-prevention, forward. The New York Times, since you mention it, in particular its editorial board, has done as much as anyone to nuture this folly, in addition suggesting that fringe element hate groups are representative of the broader group of conservative Amercans, that racial inuendo and hate are the basis for supporting immigration law enforcement, and that the right is blatantly anti-immigrant.
These are gross distortions. SPLC would do better to explore its own motives and agenda in perpetuating such stereotypes, lest it squander whatever respect in holds with reasonable people everywhere.
on July 26th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
CNN would be so much more respectable if the network would give Dobbs the boot.
Beck went away. Can’t Dobbs? At least, I never see him on HLN anymore; thank goodness.
(Take Nancy Grace w. him when you go, Lou. She is rude and obnoxious w. so many of her guests.)
on July 26th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Devin, I’m white and I think Dobbs deserves to be raked over the coals. He makes me cringe, he’s so ignorant.
The SPLC isn’t racist. You don’t know what you are talking about.
on July 27th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Obama has broken just about every campaign promise he made- he loaded his cabinet with lobbyists; the same individuals who took the rules down that allowed the banking crisis to erupt were put into positions where they are suppose to try to fix the economy that they themselves damaged ( Summers, Cass,
Geithner )…
Obama is a slave- a slave to special Wall Street interests- Just like the usurper Bush. Obama proved this by giving the big banks trillions, and then refusing to hold them fully accountable
Rising to defend such a sell-out by trying to clamp the Constitutional rights of Dobbs isn’t right ( Just why wont Obama release any of his school records? Was he in Occidental as a foreign student? Did he really go to Pakistan in 1982 with an Indonesian passport? My senator directly implied to me that he did…)
on July 27th, 2009 at 11:26 am
It is possible to talk about race without being racist. My view is that the people who have generally been the beneficiaries of racism interpret the advances in civil rights to this point sufficient and are quick to villify any attempt to show bigotry is alive and well by brushing the facts aside as an attempt to “play the race card.”
Nobody who has ever suffered from racism or prejudice in this country would equate this social problem to playing cards. The “race card” concept seeks to hold back discussion on race. Now why is that? Guess who does not want to talk about race?
on July 27th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
We all know the truth. Obama walks through all these doors (just like on Get Smart) to get to a secret room where he keeps is various passports, decoder rings, and shoe-phones (gotta’ watch the dog crap!).
I was playing with plastic dinosaurs in 1962 in the back of a culvert when who should I meet? You guessed it… Obama’ Dad! He told me that one day his kid be president & all us kids in our Club would get to light firecrackers without permission.
Sure as I’m sitting here; any kid in our club can tear open a pack of Black Cats & light them up & throw them down the drainage ditch!
You don’t want to grow up? Fine….Just don’t post juvenile blatherings that have little impact on everyday life!
The SUBJECT was DOBBS; not Obama’s secret decoder ring!
SPLC is pressuring CNN because it’s the natural chain of events – given Dobbs “one drum band”.
on July 27th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
The Honorable Lou Dobbs Is Not A Problem For Me!
I simply turn the channel away from CNN and watch something else. Moreover CNN is my main news source until Mr. Lou Dobbs comes on with his well?
If CNN want me to tune in they must send a good letter asking FOX to accept their man. He is more than qualified to fall into the slot and do a Hannity, Rush, Savage, etc., type Job. And he can truly be himself…… Kind of come out of the closet type ….you know…..
Sincerely
George
Retired United States Armed Forces Veteran
A concerned citizen and brother of humanity
on July 27th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Dobbs has a constitutional right to expresss his opinion. The birth certificate issue is byzantine- the Kenyan ambassador says Kenya will construct a shrine on Obama’s birthsite in Kenya. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother says she was in the deliveryroom and assisted the birth of Obama-in Kenya. Obama has spent millions of dollars resisting legal discovery, regarding the release of any of his school records, which might show the receipt of foreign student aid (an active cover-up?)…wheres the real long form birth certificate, or copy thereof?
.If any one criticizes Obama or raises the birth issue, he’s often accused of being racist. Yet most Republicans would welcome a conservative black in the White House.
Obama’s arrogance and disregard for the law will severely damage the nation.
on July 27th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
News should report facts, not conspiracy theories, period. CNN is a private corporation and they have every right to fire Dobbs if he does not report facts, particularly just DAYS after someone hired to fill in for him on HIS OWN SHOW provided proof debunking the “birther” conspiracy theories, that is statements from the Governor of Hawaii, the State Secretary of Health Services, not to mention annoucements of Barack Obama’s birth in TWO major newspapers in Hawaii from that date. If someone screws up at their job, they get fired. Dobbs is supposed to report facts, he has had ample access to them, and he chose not only to continue reporting lies but lied and claimed that the “questions” about Obama’s birth were “never answered”. In other words, he screwed up, and it would be right to fire his ass.
on July 27th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Anyone can call a newspaper to have a birth reported. Thats what Obama mom apparently did. A few sentences in a newspaper or two does not close the case. In 1961, a mothers overwhelming motivation might be to have a foreign birth reported as happening on US soil.
When you read the transcript…you see that the gov. and health director of Hawaii specifically did not mention what country his birth certificate came from- they took pains to avoid saying which one it was.
the citizenship issue is real, its a legit story, stop trying to muzzle the first amendment., drop your infatuation for Obama.
on July 27th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Richard Cohen…Don’t ever be afraid of the truth! Even if Lou Dobbs is the messenger.
God Bless.
Don Sweet
on July 27th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
I was born (Jewish) in Kentucky. Richard Cohen is an enormous embassment to me in both respects. I call for the SPLC to remove him!!!!!
on July 27th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Why is “hate” only spewed from the right? It is amazing how left thinkers will go to extreme lengths to silence those who do not agree with them. Your organization is racist and small minded by it’s own mission statement. Amazing
on July 27th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
There is a huge difference between pointing out the fact that there are groups and extremists that still keep the Obama residency controversy alive and actually initiating the story.
Dobbs pointing out the fact that the story is still alive is in fact very appealing and falls under the category of responsible journalism. Accusing him of initiating the story is wrong on your part. You and Bill O’Reilly completely sidestepped the idea of pointing out that fine line while you were busy kissing each other’s ass.
Why can’t you publish your e-mail address on your site? What are you hiding from?
Where were you when Olberman was going through HIS antics during the election?
Dobbs isn’t the one seeking ratings and publicity. You are.
on July 27th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Lou is right we need to do the following.
1. Enforce 1986 IRS and Immigration Laws.
2. E-verify for all employment.
3. Strict enforcement on Student visa’s.
4. No State/Federal social programs for all illegal families including medical care, daycard, public school enrollment or colleges. Pay as you go. No public housing..
5. Change US constitution if Parent is illegal child is not a citizen unless one parent is a US citizen.
6. Deputize all Law Enforcement to arrest detain and deport all illegals parents and children.
7. Change all laws so illegal immigrants that are injured or killed and are not insured cannot sue or collect back wages, medical benifits etc.
8. In the 1950 we paid informants to turn in communists why not do the same by paying people for turning in companies that abuse system.
9. Send all people that aid illegal citizens with false documents seize their property, send them to jail.
remember this is not about discrimination. We have people form Russia, Poland, Romania, arab countries, China, Korea, Mexican, Central America and South America. I am all for anyone with a skill america needs to be allowed to immigrate here. Yes we are a society of immigrants but we have laws rules like anywhere else. Let me try to go to work in China, Russia, Poland or Mexico with a college degree and wanted job skills and watch how quickly they will put me in jail. Why don’t we do the same???? European countries do, Canada do. Arab countries may kill you.
on July 27th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
President Obama can close this issue by furnishing a certified long form birth certificate….I believe he is an American citizen. I believe he just doesn’t want the country to see what religion his mother put down on the birth certificate…back then religion was listed. Now what religion do you think his mother, who was married to two Muslim men, put down….Islam. I also believe that is why his college transcripts aren’t available….religion was listed back then.
on July 27th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Sounds like Mr. Coen wants sensorship for Mr Dobb.
I have not been a real fan of SPLC myself, but I had to comment on this. you are entitled to your first ammendment right and would be the first to scream if your right was infringed upon. I can’t believe o’Reilly on Fox News allowed you air time for your dispicable remarks.
Tolerence Anti hate B.S.
on July 27th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
And why shouldn’t Lou Dobbs and all American’s question the legitamacy of Obama’s birth? Must we all bury our heads in the sand and believe the Washington political machine? And I question this liberal, leftist. radical involvement in this issue. As a 50 plus year old American woman, why should I not know if this person that has been elected to be the leader of our country actually be a natural born citizen? You tree hugging liberal lunitics need to go away, just as the free love, free sex movement went away many years ago.
on July 28th, 2009 at 2:09 am
David, I am sorry but you are clearly a moron. You have not one shred of evidence that the birth was reported in 1961 as some kind of scam. “Clearly that’s what Obama’s mom did”….ridiculous. It is equally idiotic to act as though the health director and governor would speak on the subject of the birth certificate, and not specify what country it was from. They were specifically speaking in support of the position that Obama was born in Hawaii. Imagine this exchange:
A. Was “so-and-so born in America? Was he born in your state?”
B. I have seen his birth certificate…yes.
A. BUT WHAT COUNTRY IS THE CERTIFICATE FROM?
B. You’re a moron, go away.
You see David, it’s called CONTEXT. If someone is trying to assert that X was born in the state of Y, and they speak about his birth certificate as proof, there is no reason to specify that the certificate was from that country- since that was essentially the main question.
And get ready for this real shocker David- I don’t have an infatuation with Obama. I didn’t vote for him, I didn’t support him, and I am not impressed by anything he has done or did. And yet still, your little theories are completely idiotic.
Your side lost the election, Obama is your president, get over it.
on July 28th, 2009 at 2:12 am
Folks, as David proves, when presented with inconvenient evidence, the conspiracy theorist is unfazed. Contradictory evidence is explained as being fabricated; a malice scheme, for some unknown reason, is posited as precisely what happened, without any proof. Ridiculous for normal people, par for the course amongst conspiracy nuts.
If the governor and state health director contradict the claim, then they are part of the conspiracy. The judges who refuse to hear lawsuits, part of the conspiracy. All the Republicans and their pundits who don’t support the theory, part of the conspiracy. No amount of evidence otherwise, and no lack of evidence on their side will convince them that their theory is false.
on July 28th, 2009 at 7:49 am
All our president has to do is show the conspiracy folks what they want. Show them the longform birth certificate and get on with business. If he was born in Hawaii, like he says then the longform will show the hospital and doctor and all th conspiracy folks will be debunked. Its that simple. Just end all the secrecy. Put it out there, then try to fix the country.
on July 28th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Do you see how the topic of SPLC asking CNN to remove Dobbs because of his (unsubstantiated) remarks that generate an attitude toward a group is no longer at issue? Now we are discussing something about what ancestral issues our President may or may not have…..
The best one I had heard was a Canadian debate between the “911-Truthers” and a man from the International Association of Explosive Engineers” (ISEE). The 911 conspiracy fellow was an Architect & the ISEE fellow was a explosive engineer with a doctorate in chemistry. The conspiracy guy got torn to bits & it was a good debate. {Well it was a good lesson on how to loose a debate.}
But the significant issue was that the conspiracy fellow kept on getting OFF TOPIC….
Here we have an issue of Dobbs’ having said things on national television that had proven to be false & affect the way a group of people are portrayed to the public, etc. To really understand an issue – it’s important to stay on topic.
on July 28th, 2009 at 11:04 am
The sad truth is that people want to believe Dobbs and Fox news (and I use the term news lightly). People who want to hate are going to find a reason. My ex-inlaws use the term “dirty democrates”. Everytime my 15 year old son comes back from a vist with them, I feel the need to de-program him. I have told them that there are certin words and phrases they are not to use in front of my child. Who knew I’d have to add dead Presidents to the list. I’ve kept them from seeing my son before and I’ll do it again if they forget my rules. They laughed and told me Obama would never live to take the oath of office. Racism may actually be worse than it was in the 60′s because it’s subversive. They’re not quiet as vocal but they’re still the same. If I knew what the SPLC knew, I probably couldn’t sleep at night. Keep up the good work. Somebody has to watch the idiots.
on July 28th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Mauka, if ignorance is bliss, then you must be orgasmic!!! Being “natural born” has nothing to do with where one’s parents were born. It has to do with where the subject person was born. Hence, the citizenship of President Obabma’s father is of no consequence in any argument about his being a “natural born” citizen since he was unquestionably born in Hawaii, and the evidence is clear on that point. Oh, and Hawaii is a part of the United States, so it is redundant and unnecessary to impugn an offical of the State of Hawaii to have to declare the country of birth when they have alrady declared the STATE of birth.
And for those who theorize that President Obama is actually triing to hide what religion was put down on his birth certificate by his mother, what difference would that possibly make? For one thing, not all jurisdictions required that information. And even if they did, it has no bearing on the religion he actually practices or declares now. And it shouldn’t matter anyway, since religion is not a criteria for any public office, nor should it be.
on July 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
The whole obsession with documentation is unhealthy for those of the right-wing/conservatives.
He could of lost it in the mail.
For a true right-wing/conservative, citizenship should be based on skin-color and ethnicity, not documentation.
So it is true that while Obama is not a citizen of the country that really matters: White-America, that does not mean he is not a citizen of the judeocapitalist Babylon writ large, the more commonly refered to “America”. And who cares if he is a citizen of Babylon-America or not? A country whose citizenship test is based on consumerism and capitalism, and empty platitudes and slogans (“Freedumb”), who cares if he has documentation?
The “birthers” consist of neocons, mostly of jewish ancestry or gentile “Shabbos Goyim” akin to their vampire familiars. They view Obama as bad for jews. Really it is a conflict between two jewish factions, these right-jews and the “left”-jews of the pro-Obama camp.
These right-jews want a 24 hour survailence state where there are roadblocks checking for ID every 10 feet, just like in Israel.
on July 28th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Its not moronic to suppose that someone would be motivated to list a birth as happening in America, as opposed to happening in a foreign third world nation. Being an American citizen by birth would convey to you enormous benefit, while being born a third world citizen in 1961 would hurt, compared to being a US born citizen. The psychology is obvious. Any mother would attempt to have their child listed as being born in Hawaii as opposed to being born in Kenya, in 1961, if they had the opportunity to do so. Its called ‘looking after the best interests of your child’…A newspaper account is evidence, but would never ‘prove’ anything in court.
The idea that only two or three people are allowed to personally examine the primary document, or copy thereof, is odd. People with nothing to hide do not spend millions of dollars trying to hide things, a possible listing of being a ‘muslim’ notwithstanding (He’s already in office, his re-election is a good bet, since he’s mainly opposed by dufus Republicans)
Did Obama got to Pakistan in 1982 on an Indonesian passsport? (In 1982, it was illegal for American citizens to go to Pakistan)…My US senator seems to think so…his return letter to me was revealing…
My side did not lose the election in the sense that my critic thinks…I voted, but I did not for McCain.
I will refrain from using any ad hominen attacks or personal insults, unlike my critic.
on July 28th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Does the SPLC want to remove any liberal talking heads from ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, HN, etc who are all in the tank for pushing Obama on America?
Lou Dobbs is a commentator who is welcome, given his radio and TV shows, to voice his opinions. Why would people want to silence him? This is America, land of the First Amendment — freedom of expression…
And to those claims of Dobbs siding with the “birthers” — he is right, as Obama’s own family has stated as much over the years in interviews, which are now being withheld from the biased media coverage to hide the truth. Americans are living in a terrible age when an ILLEGAL man has become President of the United States of America, and uses his power to diminish and ridicule the prestige of this great nation to suck up to Muslim countries by constantly apologizing for this country.
on July 28th, 2009 at 11:22 am
If this was not an issue then why does Obama have a team of lawyers that intercept all attempts to get documentation about his birth, his attendance at certain universities (which would show if he attended on a foreign student visa), and many other documents.
This creep – OBAMA – has allot to hide and his media machine and blind followers will stop at nothing, even branding people as “racist” and calling for firing certain people that demand proof.
Someday all will be proven but then it will be too late and grave damage will have been done to the USA – as it has already.
on July 28th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Lou Dobbs has the right to free speech. That doesn’t mean that CNN is obligated to broadcast his speech for an hour a day, nor that the SPLC is prohibited from asking CNN to stop broadcasting his speech.
on July 28th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Frank F. O’Barski said,
Has Mauka READ the law? A natural born citizen is ANYONE –regardless of parentage — born in the territory of the United States.
Has O’Barski READ the law? There isn’t a law that says that! Open border fanatics use the 14th Amendment for that purpose, but it isn’t a law. The U.S. Supreme Court has never made a ruling that states it is and Congress has never passed a bill that says it is. So you Sir! Are wrong. All it takes to stop this insanity is for the Congress to pass a resolution stating the 14th Amendment DOES NOT give Birthright citizenship. Guess what Pal, it’s being considered now. Read the 14th Amendment. It was brought into being by REPUBLICANS to give the Former slaves and their children citizenship. Not every Tom, Dick, and Harry freeloader!
on July 28th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
I’ve always supported the SPLC but when going up against the likes of Dobbs, one of the most prominent leaders of the rapidly expanding AWM (Angry White Male) cartel, I always think of one of my favorite quotes:
“The most dangerous idea is the only dangerous idea: The idea that ideas can be dangerous.
We live in a world in which people are beheaded, imprisoned, demoted, and censured simply because they have opened their mouths, flapped their lips, and vibrated some air. Yes, those vibrations can make us feel sad or stupid or alienated. Tough sh-t. That’s the price of admission to the marketplace of ideas. Hateful, blasphemous, prejudiced, vulgar, rude, or ignorant remarks are the music of a free society, and the relentless patter of idiots is how we know we’re in one. When all the words in our public conversation are fair, good, and true, it’s time to make a run for the fence.”
– Daniel Gilbert, Professor of Psychology at Harvard University and Director of the Social Cognition and Emotion Lab, answers The Edge’s Annual Question for 2006: What is your most dangerous idea?
I feel the SPLC is exercising its own free speech in requesting Dobbs’ firing, but when it comes to censorship, it is better to err on the side of allowing hateful speech. These tactics can backfire. Many reasonable compassionate and moderate conservatives are being turned off by these commentators and are turning away from the GOP. Allowing Dobbs, et.al. to flap their lips actually helps SPLC’s cause.
on July 28th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Dobbs started losing his mind when he became a radio talk show host. Now he wants to be another limbaugh or mike savage. Take your pick.
on July 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Stu Zucker: President Obama is a citizen of the U. S. A. so Dobbs is lying, and creating a platform for the racist radical right-wing fringe.
WHY don’t people get that.
People are being murdered because of the color of their skin, or their personal views, and Dobbs, palin, limbaugh, hannity/coulter/faux hate news, are creating more problems in this country by getting on national TV and lying.
Journalists must tell the truth AND cite their sources, and we should accept nothing less. Public commentors need to either state their comments to be personal opinions, or tell the entire truth.
Dobbs is backing up the lying domestic terrorist right-wing fringe in our country. THAT is unacceptable.
on July 28th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Yes, yes, yes! It’s about time someone spoke up against Lou Dobbs. I am all for Mr. Dobbs having “free speech,” bukt he tends to go off on tangents (like his going along with the “birther” B.S. recently promoted by wacko Republicans) and making an a** of himself. He hasn’t quite reached the low-life levels of Limbaugh or Savage yet, but he’s not far behind.
on July 28th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Section 1, Article 2 of our Consitution states: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Although only dealing with the concept of citizenship and not necessarily natural born citizenship, the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides an additional source of constitutional doctrine stating that birth “in the United States” and subjection to U.S. jurisdiction at the time of birth, entitles one to citizenship.
The requirements for citizenship, and its very definition in American statute law, have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.” However, this last part does not directly apply since Barak Obama was actually born in the State of Hawaii, and his mother was a full citizen of the U.S. i.e., he was not born overseas.
Since there was no definition of “natural born citizen” found in the constitution, the majority in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) adopted the common law of England that was a carry over from feudal times. The court ruled:
It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born. III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.
We are a nation of laws, and the laws are clear, no matter what spin the ‘birthers’ might like to put on the facts. Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen within the commonly held legal view, and is in fact OUR President.
on July 28th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
David, your claims are called “idle speculation”. The evidence shows that Obama was born in the US, and the newspaper announcements support that evidence. Just because you can daydream reasons why someone might want to lie about that doesn’t mean it actually happened.
on July 28th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
What amazes me here is the number of people that make this issue all about Obama. The issue here is Lou Dobbs and is lack of integrity, no his complete lack of honesty. His desire to out and out lie and distort when the facts clearly show another story.
This means he must have a motive to what he is doing. Either it is ratings, right wing conspiracy hyping, racism, fostering his anti-immigration agenda or some combination of all these. Whatever the motives are many of the postings on this site are nothing more than Obama attacks. Some of the posters don’t even defend what Dobbs has said, they just defend his right to tell lies.
Try and remember that Lou Dobbs calls himself a “newsman”. He reported the leprosy story as news even after it was debunked and never refuted it. It is still an urban legend. Thanks to “newsmen” like Dobbs the false Obama birth story is now an urban legend as well.
Hate, intolerance, poor losers, wishful thinking, and ignorance of the law (not knowing for instance what constitutes a native born citizen), have generated this lie. Hopefully this same thinking won’t generate an assassination.
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on July 28th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
I was under the understanding that Barack Obama’s mom was an American – a Dunham in fact. Is that incorrect? Wait a minute . . . do you mean to tell me that a woman who is an American citizen can not give birth overseas and have that child be an American citizen?
Okay, if that is so we need to keep all women who are citizens from leaving this country till they hit menopause or are sterilized. The risk to their child’s future is too great if they should happen to give birth someplace other than in the US and then come back to this country. The way ICE handles immigrants, legal or otherwise – no one should risk a future like that for their child.
I’ve spent 8 to 14 hours a day for eight months, along with thousands of dollars I don’t have, sold some of my belongings and gone through hell just trying to get a friend who was picked up by ICE a chance to prove his case that he would be tortured and killed if they deported him back to his country of origin – just to get him a little justice. I know what lies in wait for anyone who is not a citizen in this country.
We can’t have our women risking putting their children through what my friend is going through. We need to close our borders going out of the country – no more American women of childbearing age allowed out for any reason!
You think I’m kidding? Well yeah, it’s ridiculous, but these crazy conspiracy nuts may have something beyond loosing the Presidency in mind for Obama. I know of a man who was not a citizen, was here legally, who is locked up awaiting deportation because he had a little pot. You admit to using drugs and you aren’t a citizen – you’re deportable. Obama admitted he’d once smoked pot. If he weren’t a citizen he’d not only not be eligible to be the President – he’d be deported the way ICE is doing things these days.
Lou Dobbs is detestable, but maybe he’s performing a public service – keeping us reminded of the dangers to our greatness as a nation if we aren’t careful – that there are people out there that would dismantle the Statue of Liberty and all she stands for if they had their way. We must be ever vigilant to preserve and protect our freedoms. Lou Dobbs on the air reminds us by example.
That said, I wrote in to CNN and protested his drivel. It insults our country.
on July 28th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
I think to those who feel that Dobbs Constitutional rights are in jeopardy if CNN would fire him need to understand that CNN is not bound to keep ANYONE on their airwaves. He is allowed, as are the rest of us to say anything he wants. He does NOT have a Constitutional RIGHT to being on TV anymore than the rest of us.
WE, however do have the right to tell TV stations what we want from them. In fact they spend big bucks sometimes to know what we are thinking. WE are their customers and we have a right to ask for what we want.
on July 28th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Reading the comments on this post makes me despair for humanity.
on July 28th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Obama and his supporters are helping to create this issue- by not insisting that the primary document be released to the general public. A presidential executive order can override any Hawaiian law.
Obama is spending millions of dollars to prevent legal discovery. He behaves like someone who has something to hide. Release the document, and quell the tempest.
The 1898 law cited refers to aliens being able to convey citizenship…in this case, we have the reverse situation- its not about Obama’s dad in Hawaii, but a US citizen possibly in Kenya.
Obama’s mom could not convey citizenship, US law at the time would not allow her to do so- she was too young and lacked enough residency. Nobody knows if Obama was born in Hawaii or not.
The Kenyan ambassador says Obama is Kenyan, Obama’s grandmother says he is Kenyan by birth, and a personal letter to me from my US senator very strongly implies that Obama does not have proper US citizenship. All these people are Obama supporters. Are they mistaken liars?
Fuel is on the fire, put there by Obama himself. Since the issue is uncertain, Dobbs has the right to ask questions.
on July 29th, 2009 at 3:50 am
Keith Olberman does NOT engage in hate speech and I defy anyone to prove otherwise. This is just another LIE from the Reich Wingnut Racists.
on July 29th, 2009 at 3:53 am
Why won’t Obama produce his birth certificate? Why has he spent ove $800,000 to fight having to produce it?
More Reich Wingnut LIES. Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate has been available online for some time, and the original has been verified as authentic.
Put down the meth pipe.
on July 29th, 2009 at 3:57 am
“I would bet money you didn’t write a letter to the head of NBC regarding David Letterman and his sick joke about Sarah Palin’s 14 year old daughter did ya?”
The joke was about Palin’s OLDER daughter, who is an adult. Another Reich Wingnut LIE.
on July 29th, 2009 at 4:06 am
“Journalists must tell the truth AND cite their sources, and we should accept nothing less. Public commentors need to either state their comments to be personal opinions, or tell the entire truth.”
As a former journalist, I agree.
Unfortunately, FOX News has already gotten a court ruling that it is OK for them to knowingly LIE on their newcasts. Until this is overturned, we have no legal protection from their lies. The FCC refuses to regulate this.
on July 29th, 2009 at 4:13 am
“Obama has broken just about every campaign promise he made- he loaded his cabinet with lobbyists; the same individuals who took the rules down that allowed the banking crisis to erupt were put into positions where they are suppose to try to fix the economy that they themselves damaged ( Summers, Cass,
Geithner )…
Obama is a slave- a slave to special Wall Street interests- Just like the usurper Bush. Obama proved this by giving the big banks trillions, and then refusing to hold them fully accountable”
I agree. I voted for Cynthia McKinney the Green candidate, because Obama (and most Dems) sold us out by voting for the Bush Bailout last October.
However, Obama IS a natural born American citizen and you are wrong to suggest otherwise.
If you don’t like Obama’s sellout economic policy, fine. But making up garbage about Obama will backfire on you.
Republicans have NO chance of beating Obama in 2012 if they persist with these “birther” LIES.
on July 29th, 2009 at 11:25 am
We dont know if he was born in Hawaii or not. The document his campaign put online is not the long form birth certificate. The primary document still exists, and only two or three people have been allowed to see it, its not “online”. Obama could end most of this right now by acting appropiately…He can issue an executive order and release the document to the general public. Instead, he acts in a very suspicious manner by doing everything he can to prevent legal discovery.
on July 29th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I say boycott ALL the tv networks and get your news on the internet! Hit them where it HURT$!!!
This used to be the land of freedom but it’s turning like China!
on July 29th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
David, we do know he was born in Hawaii because his birth certificate has been certified by several parties. His birth was announced in the two papers.
Burden of proof is on you to show he was born in Kenya. Since you allege that a Kenyan ambassador claims he was, and that his grandmother said so, you go ahead and provide the sources for those claims.
on July 30th, 2009 at 1:26 am
Birthers are all cuckoo bananas.
They’re proving it in here.
on July 30th, 2009 at 1:30 am
“a personal letter to me from my US senator very strongly implies that Obama does not have proper US citizenship”
Ooooooh, very STRONGLY impllies…LOL!!!
on July 30th, 2009 at 9:16 am
“The document his campaign put online is not the long form birth certificate.” So what.
The short form one is just as legal as the original. When I wrote for my birth certificate for my passport, they sent me the short form. The feds had no trouble accepting it as genuine.
They sent it back to me with my new passport. I’m looking at it right now. But I guess it doesn’t count and I was really born in Kenya, not Connecticut. LOL!
Obama WAS born in Hawaii. The state verified this with the short form certificate of live birth, which is just as legal as the original long form.
You birthers are all insane.
on July 30th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
You people need to stick to the facts and grow up. My letter to my senator asked him to refute the pro -”birther” argument. instead he almost confirmed the pro birther argument.
Going “OOOOOHH” and giggling is uncalled for.
on July 30th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Look- at first I laughed at the claims of the ‘birthers.’ It was the behavior of Obama and his supporters that made me research this.
Their behavior makes them look guilty- the shrill cries of racism, the expenditure of a million dollars to hide a document, the reliance on a sympathetic institute for verification of another document, the steadfast refusal to stay on topic, or personally attack questioners, etc.
on August 1st, 2009 at 6:44 am
David, you’re still wrong.
The state of Hawaii issued a certificate of live borth which is on the internet. Although this is the so-called “short form” birth certificate, it is genuine and is regarded as a legal birth certificate
When I got my passport, I wrote my state for my birth certificate and they sent me the short form. The feds had no problem accepting it as genuine.
I have seen absolutely no evidence of your assertion that Obama paid a million to suppress his birth certificate. And he has provided a short form, which is legally acceptable. So he is not suppressing anything.
David, your birther garbage is the only thing in here that is uncalled for. You are a fool like Dobbs.
on August 1st, 2009 at 7:18 am
“You people need to stick to the facts and grow up.”‘
No, you birthers need to stick to the facts and grow up.
You’re a bunch of lying crybabies.
on August 1st, 2009 at 9:29 am
In our mad rush to judge Lou Dobbs as a ‘conspiracy nut’, we missed the real story; which is, that the ‘birther’ issue is a rapidly growing trend that works against Obama. It gives the appearance of unpresidentiality. Therefor, we should ALL ask President Obama to demonstrate a little transparency and quell the concerns of so many good Americans. Doesn’t that make sense to you?
on August 3rd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
I guess my arguments are so cogent that the moderators here have to censor me left and right.
please stop erasing my comments… it doesn’t help your cause at all.
on August 3rd, 2009 at 8:49 pm
“I guess my arguments are so cogent that the moderators here have to censor me left and right.”
I call bullshit.
on August 4th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
The SPLC is a subversive, radical, left-wing, racist, anti-american organization…
on August 4th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
“The SPLC is a subversive, radical, left-wing, racist, anti-american organization…”
Hey goober, did you just get through listening to limbaugh?
on August 4th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
You got two out of five right tbow002. SPLC is indeed subversive. Thank God for that! And yes, I suppose they’re left-wing since lately, the right wing has become the Angry White Male Party.
Racist? You’ll have to explain how fighting against racism makes one racist. Anti-American? No, not everyone who you disagree with is anti-American. Having and expressing opposing views is probably what distinguishes America most from other nations. It’s a foundational value. If you are against that, that would make you anti-American by definition.
on August 6th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Snorlax – Consider yourself defied –
Olbermann on June 13, 2009
In a twelve minute segment about the former vice presidential candidate, Olbermann called her, “Sanctimonious, holier than thou, exploitative, undignified, pedantic, childish, self-inflicting, insipid, backwards, embarrassing, over-reactive, overreaching” as well as a “delusional lunatic.”
on August 12th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
These “birthers” are a bunch of loose cannons. Don’t they have anything better to do than to trash the prez.? Are they so superficial, so ignorant? By the way, the document they reference in hurling defamatory statements at Obama, is a forgery.
on August 12th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
The birthers are shrill slack-jawed, drooling knuckledraggers, and that is on a good day.
They don’t really believe that nonsense about Obama’s birthplace. They can’t be so stupid as to believe the b.s. In reality they hate Obama; they hate his race, they hate his party and his politics. That is the real reason behind all the hoopla. They know the truth, but they do not let reality interfere w. fiction..,
on August 12th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Ronda, you forgot ignorant and parochial (my thoughts).
on August 12th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Ronda, I reread my sentence and I thought I am really going to have to proofread what I print, as my thoughts are not ignorant and parochial as my ref. was to Palin’s ignorance and so on.
on August 12th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
There is a new group out there called the deathers. It’s led by senator grassley of iowa.
They claim that obama’s health care plan will have a death panel to decide which senior citizens should live or die.
Pass the laughing gas.
on August 13th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
I have to add to the discussion about the “birthers” and make an important distinction between the two different types of birthers.
The first and most problematic are the ones like Dobbs and the Republicans who do know better and are using the same tactics they used to go to wars, pass the Patriot Act, rile the masses into being afraid of death panels instead of having a fair discussion on health care. They KNOW they truth and distort and LIE to get what they want. I think that they are guilty of treason.
The other birthers are people who are ignorant and believe the authority figures who are lying to them. It is hard to understand how people can be so ignorant, but they are. Some even think that they are doing “research” on the internet to prove they are right. Of course they don’t know HOW to do proper research and do find LOTS of sites claiming what they keep hearing. My neighbor is a lay birther. He REALLY doesn’t understand how the world works. He isn’t stupid either. He’s just woefully ignorant of almost everything that could help him come to a good judgment. I tried to explain the truth, and he was willing to listen to me respectfully. He is still not sure he can believe me because I am just his neighbor. In my argument to him I am battling Fox, CNN, Republican leadership, his friends and his preacher. It sure would be easier if it was only his friends and preacher.
on December 21st, 2009 at 4:38 am
I love this argument. Of who or what is citizen of the US. I am a college professor, yes, just like Mr Obama, and a minority, just like Obama, but this is where I part company from this man that is too vague and elisive for my comfort. I grew up wanting to be a “Muck Raker” when I first learned about these reporter heroes of the days when America stood for laws and citizens who obeye them. I grew up believing that breaking laws was not good for our country or the people. Thanks to politicians like Cheney, Obama and others, breaking the law now seems to be the acceptable norm, much like the later days before the Roman Empire fell. IF Mr Obama is a LEGAL citizen, in my book, he has not shown me enough to prove it. And, I quote, from legal resources, “We need your daughter’s county stamped full birthcertificate before we an issue a US passport so your daughter can leave the US and travel to Japan. What was my mistake? I had sent the US Department of Passports, my daughter’s Ceritificate of live birth that showed the same info as OBama’s and even her birth picture. According to this department of the US government, “a certificate of live birth is not a legal document to get a US Passport. So, unless Obama shows me his real long typed long form Birth Certificate, he is a fake American, so says the US government. One more thing, Obama took a full year before he registered for the Draft, so he broke the law by not registering. One more thing, if Obama was born in Hawaii in before 1958 (when Hawaii was NOT a state), then he is not a US citizen just like people who are born in the Domincan Republic a holding of the US, like Hawaii was when Obama was born, which according to Obama was not 1961 but 1957. SO, from my newspaper type research, this man is an immigrant, sorry, but facts are facts, and America has been robbed yet, another law breaker. But heck, America is now made up of students who cheat in school, people who lie on their taxes, people who cheat on their partners, people who lie to their God, People who want to make America an Un-Christian nation, and a government that serves the ones with the most money and anyone who is willing to buy a politician’s vote, and a court system that favors law breaking illegal immigrants who come to America to destroy her. I figure America will be dead by the year 2020. Sorry, but if history taught me anything in college, it’s that history does repeat itself. We are another Rome, that is headed to the end.
on December 22nd, 2009 at 7:14 pm
What do you teach, how to write as if you are absolutely not a college professor?
on December 23rd, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Reggie,
You are either lying or had the most stupid bureaucrat in America. My daughter and I both have birth certificates that were original. Mine, which was hand written has all kinds of info on it. My daughters doesn’t even have her time of birth. These certificates were 24 years apart and in different states. Now, both of us have ordered and received the Certificate of Live Birth that we have needed for official stuff like our passports, school, etc. I keep the originals in a safe deposit box. I cannot ever get a copy of the original as they have all been destroyed and the pertinent info computerized. ( Do we really need to record my mothers “profession” as a homemaker?) When you order birth certificates today, You get a certificate of live birth. I know this not only from my personal experience, but it is my job to help my clients obtain theirs for official govt. business.
I was not, and none of my passport carrying friends have EVER been asked for a “birth picture”. Also, we never had “official birth pictures” taken. This is just plain silliness.
Lastly, If you are a college professor, you are painfully ignorant of your country and its citizens. I guess you only took one history class that missed a few bits. The Dominican Republic was once briefly occupied by the US, but was never a territory or other “holding” of the US. Puerto Rico, however is. Puerto Ricans, as were Hawaiians for over 100 years have been and are full legal citizens. In case you don’t remember even the historical movies about Pearl Harbor, We considered the island US soil. It’s citizens were US citizens.
BTW, My Puerto Rican born father in law was stationed in Hawaii as he served as a Lt. Col. in the US Air Force. You gonna tell him he’s not a real citizen too?