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Student Hate Group in Michigan Gets New Faculty Adviser
Michigan State University (MSU) mechanical engineering professor Indrek Wichman made international headlines in February 2006, when, using his faculty E-mail account, he sent a blistering E-mail to the university’s Muslim Student Association, calling on Muslim students to either accept Western cultural standards or return to their “ancestral lands.”
“I counsel you dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized slave-trading Moslems … [i]f you do not like the values of the West — see the 1st Amendment — you are free to leave,” Wichman wrote. “I hope for God’s sake that most of you choose that option.”
Although Provost Kim Wilcox formally admonished Wichman, the anti-Muslim professor remained on the MSU faculty. Now, he’s apparently taken on a new role in the MSU campus community: faculty adviser for the MSU chapter of Young Americans for Freedom, or MSU-YAF, an extreme-right student organization. The Southern Poverty Law Center has designated MSU-YAF a hate group for its hosting of white supremacist lecturers and repeated bigoted statements against Muslims and Latinos, among other groups.
According to the MSU Department of Student Life guide for the upcoming academic year, Wichman has replaced William Allen, a professor of political philosophy, as MSU-YAF’s faculty adviser.
Wichman’s association with MSU-YAF dates back at least to February 2008, when he was scheduled to give a lecture on “How Muslims Suppress Free Speech” at an MSU-YAF event that was booked at the Holocaust Memorial Center in Farmington Hills, Mich. That lecture was canceled after Holocaust Memorial Center administrators learned of MSU-YAF’s background, including that MSU-YAF had previously sponsored a lecture on the MSU campus by Nick Griffin, a Holocaust denier who heads the racist British National Party.
on July 29th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
This is surprising to me only in that a member of a university is involved. Even the learned, I suppose, can be ignorant beyond belief.
It is incumbent upon MSU to take a more active stance than simple admonishment. Wichman may be a talented engineer, but the university setting is no place for a bigot. I wonder if he has any Muslim students.
on July 29th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
This isn’t the only Klan Nazi out there in Academia. I remember reading about them teaching this garbage down South. Holocaust denial and how great slavery was. Sick, twisted garbage.
East Lansing ain’t Ann Arbor.
The address for MSU must be the corner of Red and Neck.
on July 30th, 2009 at 1:47 am
Our first amendment right to free speech is crucial, have always and will continue to protect and embrace it. However, I must admit to a struggle I have with when someone’s words have crossed the line which would be equivalent to saying fire in a crowded room when there is none.
Our family has been personally impacted by bias-motivated vioIence. I do hold those who spew words of hate for the resultant violence as I believe we must all be responsible for the words we state, whether at home in front of children or in a public venue. With that having been said, I believe that MSU has a responsibility to those who have been directly harmed by hate crimes to explain why they allow such extreme forms of hate speech and to support educators who endorse and participate in such. Words are very powerful and when my family hears such words of hate, it as if bullets are once again coming at us.
on July 30th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Wiki says YAF also has chapters at these schools too: American University, Buena Vista University, Florida International University, Liberty University, George Mason University,
Pennsylvania State University,University of Michigan, Western Michigan University.
Liberty University was started by Jerry Falwell. No shock there.
I had no idea Michigan had so many ignorant inbreds going to college. The entrance exam at these schools must solely consist of being able to pay the tuition.
YAF was started by the John Birch Society, iirc. They were counter protesting FOR the Vietnam war. They weren’t overtly racist back then like they are now, iirc. They have apparently gone off the deep end.
Why are all the conservatives going insane?? Is it in their Koolaid? These people scare me.
on July 30th, 2009 at 10:21 am
As an MSU student who has attended some YAF events (not as a fan, I promise), let me tell you that we aren’t a school full of rednecks and “conservative” nuts, and that we’re simply a school who will respect this group’s right to exist (all ten members or so out of our 40k+ students) and keep a very concerned eye out when they try to cross another line.
I was a sophomore when YAF tried to do their “Catch an Illegal Immigrant” event. I was ready, with thousands and thousands of my fellow Spartans, to protest that event, and we succeeded in scaring YAF away because they called off the event and went back into hiding. As Spartans, we don’t celebrate or think of YAF…we laugh and frown when they make the news, shake our heads, and work extra hard, successfully, at resisting their hatred.
beholder, there are bigots everywhere. people are allowed to be bigots to themselves. MSU is doing the right thing, as am I as a student here, by paying attention to Wichman carefully but not jumping to censorship too quickly. We’re aware of what goes on and we resist it as ethically as we can.
snorlax, we aren’t Ann Arbor, we’re East Lansing, and we’re just as worthwhile and sharp as our neighbors not-so-far-away. I knew both the MSU and the UM Truman Scholarship candidates, and this year it was my school that won, as one of many examples. Both schools are great schools that promote discussion, education, and ethical action, and I’m sure that both schools have radical groups that should be made known, but known in the context of also recognizing the many more positive groups both campuses support.
on July 30th, 2009 at 11:20 am
I love the comments here, but feel a little sting from reading about how folks see Michiganders as complete fools. Ok, so I do live in Michigan and I sadly see first-hand what’s going on. I am a black lesbian scholar who lives in Detroit, so you better believe the pain I feel just trying to live a life of dignity and peace without oppression. However, I started to become very clear about what the “Heck” is going on big time here. The low down is simply this:
Michigan has the highest unemployment rate in the country. The car industry losing market share has devastated our State’s economy and the effects are leaving people feeling scared to death and barely able to feed ourselves, pay for utilities and with the foreclosure rate also over the top in Michigan, PEOPLE ARE NOT HAVING BASIC NEEDS MET.
Now for the basic rule about human needs:
If your basic needs are not secure, most people go nuts, start acting out and can not think clearly. The fear of not having a job, losing your house and/or going hungry, completely freaks people out and starts to look like (and will become) violence towards others. You could also define this behavior as humans “fighting for basic resources”. If you need a reference for my views, check out “Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs.”
I am not making excuses for folks, but I am asking that the people who read this blog start taking a look at the how and why for what is going on in people’s minds (and lives) to make them act in ways that are destructive to themselves, the community and our country at large.
Now to be real and honest, the perspective I am suggesting would take exercising empathy, critical thinking and looking for sustainable solutions. Are you up for the challenge?
Peace and blessings!!!!!
- alecia
on July 30th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Miro,
Glad to have the update from the ground. I was concerned that talented Muslim students might be discouraged from attending, or that their studies might suffer as a result of some kind of hostility from this group.
It is encouraging to see that the majority of the student body stood up in defense of civil liberties and shouted down the “catch an immigrant” hate event before it materialized. I would have loved to see it unfold.
Was this counter-demonstrated mobilized spontaneously? How did the word get out about it, simply by word of mouth? Has there been any comment from any of the other professors at the university?
on July 30th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
As a native Michigander, I attended MSU as an undergraduate (’69-’70) and, in ’72-74, returned to E Lansing to do graduate work. I have contacted fellow alums about this situation. By consensus, we view Wichman’s involvement with and the YAF’s inclusion as a sanctioned student activity to be an affront to all fair-minded and inclusive MSU faculty, students, and alumni. We believe YAK’s incendiary actions and promulgation of policies that incite disruption, division, and exclusion has no place in a publicly-funded organization.
While Indrek Wichman and the YAF have a right to express their POV and peaceably assemble as permits allow, for the MSU Board of Trustees and administration to condone its activities on campus may indeed violate MSU’s charter as a public land grant college.
Also, according to President Simon’s own published statements on Free Speech Rights and Responsibilities: http://president.msu.edu/disse.....ement_free
YAK policies and actions “… directly or indirectly inhibit the freedoms and rights enjoyed by others [and] are anathema to maintenance of a collegial [sic] environment.”
It appears our country suffers from a pandemic of hate. I posit that the only cure or hope for recovery for those so afflicted is to cut off their supply of venues for expression. Weichman and the YAF must go. As an MSU alumnus I will do everything in my power to make it so.
on July 30th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Way to go Wichman!
You have more support than you realize!
on July 30th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
I appreciate all of the comments, especially by Alecia and Carolyn. The idea that the “marketplace of ideas” will serve to quell the misguided rantings of some is important, but I wonder how willing we are to bear the cost to society while that process takes place. It is hard to see even one person’s life damaged by the seemingly mindless bigotry of others. However, Alecia’s points are well-taken; history makes it clear that these behaviors often flourish in times of desperation and need. I wonder if human society will ever adopt the truth and reconciliation model used in South Africa to deal with the pain and losses suffered under apartheid.
on July 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Indrek Wichman was present at MSU YAF’s Nick Griffin event, asking the final question at the end of the event.
http://yafwatch.blogspot.com/2.....an-at.html
on July 30th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
I have noticed that Maslow seems to be making a comeback lately. Is there anyone who can explain the sudden revival of interest in values theory?
on July 30th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Alecia, you are very correct. Hitler became powerful because Germany was so broke and down trodden after WWI that he convinced an entire nation to hate. (I don’t mean all Germans)
It can be hard to empathize, especially when you become angry yourself. But once we take a step back, take a deep breath and learn; violence doesn’t win, hate doesn’t win, as a nation we should pull together and save ourselves. I may not have a lot of money, a crowded house, but if anyone who has lost their home or job needs a roof or food. I will share what I have. We all need a chance. We all need some love. And if we extend out hands our to those that fear us (that’s all hate is), then maybe they won’t be afraid of us anymore.
on July 31st, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Samantha you sound like a generous person and I can appreciate that. But what if the person asking you to “share” with them was complaining about not being able to eat or pay their own bills because of a layoff and they pulled up to your house in a 2007 Cadillac Escalade with 22 inch rims and a $4000 stereo? What if they are wearing $500 woth of Sean Johns and bling and I am wearing walmart jeans and sneakers but paying all my bills and living off my 4 years of savings until I got a new job? Thats exactly what is happening in my community.At a recent townhall meeting A man who got up saying WE need healthcare reform and WE need loan modification programs while he and his 6 yr old son had enough bling to impress even MR.T While I know this man personally he has a college degree while I have a basic diploma.He drives an Escelade while I drive a 4 yr old Honda.He lives in a 150000 home he could never afford but thanks to Democratic imposed {consumer redistribution act look it up} regulations he got a nice loan despite bad credit.Now he lost his 25 an hour job 4 months ago and is losing his ass! Sure my home is only a 80000 home but I bought what I could and PAID IT OFF. My car is paid off! My bills are prepaid for 4 YEARS! And guess what I have a basic diploma and make under 14 an hour. So while Ive been responsible hes been partying like a rockstar and now he wants my already bankrupt bloated GOVT to bail him out with nationalized healthcare.!!!! WTF?!!!! So WOULD YOU THEN OFFER YOUR HOME TO HIM AND YOUR FOOD?! BECAUSE THATS EXACTLY WHAT THE OBAMUNISTS ARE TRYING TO DO IN THE NAME OF THE TAXPAYERS!!!
on July 31st, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Gee Shane, thanks for the collection of typical anti-black stereotypes. I’m sure nobody here has ever heard of them before.
on August 1st, 2009 at 7:25 am
“Way to go Wichman! You have more support than you realize!”
by Joe
Joe, your dry cleaners called.
Your white robe with the eyeholes is ready, but they can’t get the blood stains out of your BROWN SHIRT.
on August 1st, 2009 at 7:43 am
I don’t think this is the ordinary, legitimate, free exchange of ideas that I would strongly support on college campuses.
This is an organized assault on the rational, real world by a screaming mob of ranting psychopaths.
I hope YAF are not getting any taxpayer money to spew their hate, since MSU is a state school.
And Shane, your dry cleaners called…
on August 1st, 2009 at 7:51 am
It’s funny how racist professors are protected by tenure and our universities don’t go after them, but when Ward Churchill dared to say that we brought 9-11 on ourselves by our economic policies, his tenure did him no good. The university went on a witch hunt to discredit and fire him. A jury ruled in his favor but a Reich Wingnut judge threw out their verdict.
The Reich Wingnuts have been getting a pass for too long. This double standard must stop.
on August 1st, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Does this man know that slavery was legal in the USA not even 150 years ago?
on August 1st, 2009 at 3:18 pm
on the other hand, following the law in whatever country you´re in is neccessary.
on August 3rd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
EvaLis, you’re not making much sense. Put down the meth pipe.
Slavery may have been legal in the Cracker states, but that doesn’t make it right. We fought our most bloody war to stop slavery. Brother against brother.
Revisionist crackers claim that the Civil War was not about slavery, but it was. Slavery broke our nation in two.
Then the Crackers passed Jim Crow laws, which were also wrong, and oppressed blacks for another 100 years.
I hope scientists someday isolate the Cracker gene so we can abort all Cracker babies and have a Cracker-free world in the next generation.
Crackers give the rest of us white people a bad name.
on August 3rd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Slavery was made illegal in the US in 1868 by the 14th Amendment. 141 years ago.
on August 3rd, 2009 at 7:25 pm
I would like to know. Why are white American’s, who question anything about the Obama regime, called racists? Why, are we called racists when unknown persons sneak across our borders and we want the laws enforced?
My mother went through the legal process of coming to America and becoming a citizen. But the latinos and others can sneak in and live off the wealth of citizens and strain our social services to the brink. I may be a right-wing extremist but I’m not an idiot redneck racist. I live in reality and it’s not pretty.
We have an American tradition being gutted for the often tried and failed Socialist-Fascist system. A two headed one party system, an Oligarchy if you will, that has divided and conquered the free spirit of the American people. Racism sucks but so does “reverse racism”. Its time to grow up and become patriots of America’s core principals in liberty.
We’re all slaves now.
Fight or flee.
on August 4th, 2009 at 11:14 am
“I may be a right-wing extremist but I’m not an idiot redneck racist.”
Close enough. Stay the hell off my property.
on August 4th, 2009 at 11:18 am
“the Obama regime”????
What about the Bush regime, you hypocrite?
He trashed the Constitution, lied 900 times to start the wrong war, and set up a torture gulag.
Obama is a saint compared to Chimpy Bush.
on August 4th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
There’s no such thing as reverse racism.
We whites have been the racists for hundreds of years.
Only a whining redneck wussy would scream racism.
on August 5th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Reverse racism no, it does not exist, not at the institutional or policy level, unlike sexism and other forms of bigotry that still exist in parts of America at different times. There may be some people who don’t particularly like white people, for whatever reason, but you don’t have the entire weight of history behind it.
But there is color blind racism. That is the kind of racist who is from a group that has never suffered any kind of racial oppression in America, but considers themselves to be free and clear of any steps toward improving race relations and righting past wrong.
on August 5th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
“…Reverse racism no, it does not exist, not at the institutional or policy level,”
Really?
What the heck is affirmative action then?
Preferences based on race are not racist?
If affirmative action gave those same priveleges to white people you would be screaming they’re racist.
Sorry, your statement is not valid.
on August 6th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Affirmative action seeks to provide opportunity, not to take it away. The truth is very clear about socioeconomic status, power, and authority in America. Why do women executives make less than men? Why do inner cities spawned by the racist post-Abolition America still harbor disproportionare levels of crime and addiction? Why are certain races more likley to receive the death penalty, and why are certain races more likely to be stopped for trivial traffic violations and hassled? All the weight of history suggests my statement is valid.
on August 6th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
I am a Spartan. I graduated in 2003. Beyond that I’m a native of Michigan…the Tip-of-The-Mitt area. I lived less than 300 yards from Norm Olson, the former Commanding General of the Michigan Militia, before he moved to Alaska a few years back. I lived on a small, niche farm producing Maple Syrup, Free-Range Eggs, Cashmere fiber from goats, and was working towards Organic Certification.
None of that is noteworthy except that I am also transgendered…I was born female-bodied when I should have been male-bodied. I have remedied that situation. But as a result of doing so, have lived with hatred, bigotry, ignorance, and prejudice on a level only others viewed as “different” by society can understand.
Michigan State University and its Faculty and Staff accepted me, and others like me, with no discrimination, prejudice or bias…we were simply students like any others. As students we were free to discover ourselves and the world around us through classes, social gatherings, and clubs. Despite its size both physically and in population (40,000 plus students), I never felt like a number or a statistic. I could go on singing the praises of MSU but there’s no point, those who are alumnus already know and those who hate will not be effected by my words.
I am writing for those with open-minds who want to learn through the experiences of others.
Thanks to MSU I had the educational foundation to apply and get accepted by the University of Pennsylvania and its exceptional graduate program in Criminology. I obtained my Master’s in Criminology from that program in 2006.
I am not a red-neck, although I was a farmer and sun-burned the back of my neck many, many times while working in the field. I am not a bigot or a “hater” although I was born and raised in a community that was 95% white, most being of European ancestry. I attended a state university that is a land-grant school and known for its agricultural program yet I am not poorly educated, a political conservative, a fundamentalist christian, or a radical separatist terrorist-in-training. However I am sickened by the prejudice, bias, and hatred that I see, and have seen, in the world and particularly in this country, as evidenced by some of what has been written here.
Stop pointing the finger of accusation and start listening with an open-mind so that solutions can be found. Stop fearing and hating differences and start seeing difference with eyes that seek the wonder of diversity. I would rather hear the voice of dissent than stifle it because a voice unheard is a heart full of pain unanswered. And chronic pain leads to anger, anger to hatred and hatred to actions that none should ever take.
One more thing before anyone decides to point a finger in my direction and label me a liberal…I spent 10+ years in the U.S. Marine Corps and am a Vietnam Era Vet. If I am to be labeled anything…label me a human being and save the sound byte labels for the media.
on August 6th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
“If affirmative action gave those same priveleges to white people you would be screaming they’re racist.”
White women are the primary recipients of affirmative action. So white people already get it too. Now you might have a point if you said white males, but it’s not like they don’t have enough opportunity to succeed already.
on August 7th, 2009 at 6:43 am
If you don’t want your alma mater called a redneck school, don’t get mad at me…do something about it.
Have you contacted MSU to protest the actions of these racists?
If you’re complaining about me, you’re shooting the messenger and your anger is misplaced.
I see no actual condemnation of the racist prof or his student goons from you, only objections to my assertion that MSU iis tacitly approving of their racist acts.
If you don’t want MSU called a redneck school, do something about it besides criticizing me for calling it a redneck school. Otherwise, someone might think you’re just backing the rednecks.
on August 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Two wrongs do not make a right.
You can not “fix” a wrong by doing exactly the same wrong.
Affirmative action is outright discrimination, it does not matter which race or sex is on the gravy train.
The practice just exchanges one wronged party for another and sets up a huge group of people that will be the next group that has a wrong that needs fixing, making for perpetual social unrest.
AA is NOT “opportunity” it IS just another name for Jim Crow, the only difference is the race of Jim was changed.
Let’s analogize: Lynching blacks under Jim Crow was wrong, so let’s fix it by lynching whites.
on August 7th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Iheard that several Universities through the USA were told to and did redo several Bathrooms and other rooms so that muslims could have a place to wash their feet and have a place to pray. But then I heard that it was the Muslims (anti American Types) want the actually Cross taken out of all places of worship in hte USA as they find them offensive. If anyone knows where these types of stories are on this site and or somewhere else. I woudl like to read more of this to gain a better understanding. Maybe you have heard how soem groups (anti American) want all the Crosses taken off the Veterans grave sites. These groups not only Muslims want this done. Not the Veterans familys.
on August 7th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Why do blacks have no problems orgainzing and building For Black Only establishments. There are millions of them. Why is black this and that condoned but white this or tohers are not. If whites have a white only group,college, organization etc they are called rascist? How ridiculouse is that? Do you know there are even Black Proffessional groups? Blacks are taught over and over again shop at black only, buy from blacks only. They don’t hide this yet Whites and any non blacks have to? That’s non sense! If it is a black owner of say a certain toothpaste. Blacks are told to buythat toothepaste. Of course not all blacks and not all non blacks or any other all that I would be refering too. I mean of course These Types. I tend to refer to Farrahkan and his splinter groups because he is an excellent example of a black that hates white and shouts it very loud.
on August 8th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
What makes laugh so much at Hate Gang members like this is that the European Hate Gangs hate them as well for being Christians which to them is almost as bad as being a Jew!
America needs to stop these people and the all the religions that have intolerant speech incorporated in their books for they will always be the source of division!
on August 9th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Joe, do you have any idea what “lynching” means? If you did, you wouldn’t compare Affirmative Action to lynching. Lynching also had nothing to do with Jim Crow, though it helped create a context in which lynching might seem acceptable to many individuals, and sadly it was.
In a very abstract way, sure, affirmative action might be a bit of an artificial leg up for some(you know, like legacy scholarships and all the cockamemie admission schemes that tend to benefit white students), but since whites have had the overwhelming majority of hand-outs and privilege since the beginning of this nation, a little boost here and there for those who have been on the receiving end isn’t going to be the end of the world.
on August 9th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
I watched in horror the other day, when 2 Christians entered a Muslim family festival in Michigan. When they asked a question at a vendors table about the Koran, the guy behind the table couldn’t answer it and referred him to the pamphlet because it was obvious he didn’t know the Koran and what it said. Then the 2 guys were harrassed and pushed and shoved for the remaining time they were there even though they did nothing wrong. Even though it was illegal for their security guards to shut down their cameras they did. I don’t have simpathy for Muslims, they, like so many immigrants who come into this country, expect us to cater to them and their ways and that is not the way it should be when you come to another country. If I am a guest in your home I do not expect you to change everything for me. Just think about it and try to bring it down to a level you can understand. I know it is hard for Nazi-Demos to do but please try.
on August 9th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Oh, one more thing about this “Muslim Family Festival”, they had T-shirts on the table that showed a guy peeing on the Israeli flag! Yeah, that’s a great thing to be teaching young children in this country. I don’t hear you guys talking about that!
on August 9th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
I agree with some of what this professor said, if we went to another country we could not expect them to cater to our beliefs or traditions. This is something you do on your own time and in your own space. This sense of entitlement is tearing down our country big time. The youth in this country don’t even want to work anymore, just give them some money for nothing. It is pitiful that we are becoming a bunch of whiners! Work hard, educate yourselves and keep an open mind to other’s points of view but understand that no one has to share your point of view in order to be respected.
on August 10th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Joe said on August 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Let’s analogize: Lynching blacks under Jim Crow was wrong, so let’s fix it by lynching whites
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Analogies are useful when they illustrate a complex issue in simpler terms. They are NOT useful when the reduce an issue to the absurd.
Nobody is talking about vigilante murders. Nobody is saying let’s enslave white people for 400 years. What we are saying is let’s look at how 400 years of history have affected our contemporary society and seek ways to fix it. It’s very comfortable to be a recipient of historical racial advantage and generational wealth-building in America, and sit atop the moll hill and say “ok we’re equal now I get mine and you get yours!”
on August 10th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Glorybb,
What did the two Christians ask? Something obviously set them off, they were not asking how to visit a Mosque.
Probably they picked up some propaganda from the Christian wing nuts and decided to lay into the first Muslim they encountered. I am certain that if these two were respectful nothing like you described would have happened. It was a gathering for Muslim families, and just as if some atheists decided to crash your Sunday school meeting with the endless hypocrisies of mainstream Christian theology, the two were obviously there to disrupt the event and set themselves up to be martyrs.
on August 10th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Glorybb,
Nice theory but history shows a totally different of Islam. Thousand or even millions of people have treated Muslims with respect and all they got in return is death and destruction. Why don’t you yourself go to a Muslim event and see what happens. Why can’t people realize that Islam is totally incompatable with western values. We beleive in freedom–they don’t. We respect women–they don’t. We believe in live and let live–they don’t. We value honesty–their religious leaders tell them that it is ok to lie to the non-beliver. This is the islamic practice of “taqiyya”. Goggle it and stop being so ignorant. The founder of Islam personally killed over 300 people himself. This should be a clue to the real nature of islam. Stop believing the muslim proproganda. Beliefs have more to do with comfort than truth. Is is comforting to belive that “true islam is a religion of peace and the violent ones are the exceptions.” This is pure taqiyya. Be an adult and start seeing the truth even if it is a bit uncomfortable.
on August 10th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Correction to the above post. It was meant to be for “beholder” not “Glorybb”
on August 10th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Phala… why not find out where these groups are learning to hate in the first place. Cut of a haters right to exspress their hate but what about cutting of that persons original source of them listeing to their hate teachings.. Do you follow what I am saying? Finding it hard to word this correctly and understandbly. I suppose it means stop the head haters from constantly feeding hate to their pawns?
on August 10th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Dear fellow americans. where are the articles about Black Liberation, Ideology, movement, supremist,
BLACK LIBERATION IDEOLOGY MOVEMENT..
WHERE ARE THESE ARTICLES AND WHY AREN’T YOUR COMMENTS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT ANYONE OTHER THAN WHITE GROUPS
I think black hate much more destructive as it seems to befreind anyone then cause their demise if they can
on August 11th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Larry
Beholder is fully aware of the Islamic ways and is knowledable of what the Anti Americans want in this country and some of how they are going about it. I find for myself it is counterproductive to reason with this type of mindset. I hope that I am spending more time on exsposing this mindset so others who are mor elike you and I will be more alert to who is sitting next to them when they sit down with friends? and say, play a game of cards. ETC..
God Bless America
Move on to another area there are more that do not know about Taqiyya and it’s not just the Islamics mindset. Black Ideology uses it also…
on August 11th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Larry,
Lets see. Crusades. Inquisition. Witch-hunting. Bibilical justification for slavery.
Wow, Christianity is great!
on August 11th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
beholder–The crusades would have never happened if Muslims did not FIRST invade other countries. I’m sure the Christians were treated so well under Muslim rule.
As for as slavery, Muslims still practice slavery today. Also the ancestors of today’s Afro-Americans were captured by guess who—-Muslims.
The USA navy was created by Thomas Jefferson to protect American shipping from the Barbary pirates, who were, you guess it Muslims.
Islam is aggressive, violent, extremely deceptive, intolerant, tenacious, and cunning.
Yes there are peaceful verses in the Koran. In his early life Mohommed wrote about “peace, love, and tolerance”. However his early writing are cancelled out by what he said later in his life. The later verses cancel out the early verses. This is called the islamic practice of aborgation. Goggle it and be informed.
on August 11th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
It is really shameful that a university would hire a professor with such obvious hate and misinformation about Muslim people. I challenge him to get to know the true Muslims, the very high majority of Muslim people who are peace-loving, freedom loving individuals and not make such incorrect and racist generalizations against an entire people based upon such a very small minority of individuals.
This new professor has no idea of what Muslims stand for, they are God-loving, people-loving people and I am proud to call many of them my friend. I cannot believe that a university would hire such a hateful uneducated person. I would not step foot near that university.
I am so disappointed.
on August 11th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
To Beholder:
…and that sets up the next aggrieved group for the next 400 years of problems.
You can not make a past wrong right by creating a new class of aggrieved persons.
It does not work, just makes the problem perpetual.
I have no slave holding ancestors and no benefit from your so-called wealth building. I am a third generation American who is paying for these discriminatory policies.
It is just a perpetual grievance system, not a solution.
To Ruslan:
Are you insane?
“(you know, like legacy scholarships and all the cockamemie admission schemes that tend to benefit white students)”
The white student is at a huge disadavantage in admissions. Whites are rejected all the time to give you whatever quota of whatever races you wish to have in admissions, all based on race, not merit.
Preferences based on race, by definition, are racist.
“…a little boost here and there for those who have been on the receiving end isn’t going to be the end of the world.”
A “little boost?”
Are you kidding?
Have you ever looked into what all these government programs cost us, combined with all the waste involved in administering these ridiculous programs in higher education, businesses etc.?
“Little” is hardly the right word for trillions of dollars.
on September 1st, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Jen,
It is interesting to hear that you have several muslim friends. Did you know that in islam, muslims are forbidden to have non muslim friends? It is ok for them to “act friendly” towards a non-muslim just as a farmer acts friendly towards his livestock . It would be interesting to hear what your so called friends are saying behind your back. Acting friendly towards a non believer is a very common form of taqiyya.
As far as your comments “…obvious hate and misinformation about Muslim people” and about “a true Muslim” The hatred is from muslims towards all the unbelievers and the misinformation is what you have accepted as truth. True Islam is the islam as practiced by Mohommed himself—the one who personally killed 300-350 people himself.
It’s interesting that on arab television shows, when a “radical” muslim and a moderate get into an argument, the moderate always loses. The radical just has to start quoting from the Koran and the moderate has nothing for a comeback.
on September 25th, 2009 at 9:09 am
I support professor Wichman 100%. Having been deployed to the middle east twice as a military medical provider and observing just what radical Islam is capable of, I have become convinced that this false faith inspires violence predicated on passages from a false religious text.
The YAF is NOT a radical right wing organization. I was a member in my undergraduate years and their values and objectives merely mirror the spirit of patriotism, traditionalism and conservatism was was mainstream in the U.S. not too many years ago. Anyone or any leftist organization that attacks the YAF is merely projecting their own issues onto an orgnaization made of of young Americans that will be tax payers someday…not members of the great unwashed/entitled/socialist population that is consistently seeking to re-engineer America along the lines of a banana republic or an old Warsaw Pact nation.
MSU is blessed to at least one professor that will not walk “lock-step” with all the politically-correct, radical socialists lurking in the halls of major universities.
on September 30th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
To Larry and Dr. Tims:
I am a Muslim, so I may be a little biased. BUT I hope one day you put the hate aside and see the truth about Islam. Just like Christianity, there are extremists in Islam. Just like some Jewish extreme thoughts, there exist extreme ideas in Muslim World. Any religion has its ups and downs. Consider a religion as a tree. When people forgot the root and blindly focused on the branches, they got lost with a life-style of imitation and extremism. This can be true for any religion or line of thought. I would like to say (by Muslims I do not mean extremists):
1- No, Muslims are not forbidden to have a non-Muslim friend. What you call “Taqiyyah” is for a time when a Muslim’s life is in danger. Otherwise, why should someone act friendly when it is forbidden? “Lie” is in fact forbidden.
2- As long as someone confines his/her information gathering tools to websites or TV channels or talk shows such as Foxnews, I don’t blame him/her to be hateful. Open up your mind and do some research from non-biased, professional sources.
3- I am asking Dr. Tims; why are you mixing some geo-political or cultural habits in some Arab countries with Islam? Why don’t you look at Muslims in Europe, South Asia, Canada, or Persia? Just read about the centuries before the Dark Days in Europe when Muslim Scholars were teaching Medicine or Philosophy in Baghdad (Iraq), or Rey (Iran), or in Central Asia. Have you ever read about Rumi, Razi, Khayyam, Avecina, etc.? If not, you need to spend more time in the library.
4- Just be fair. The best friends of US in the Middle East are countries with monarchy, no democracy and more responsible for any extreme acts. I don’t name those countries, and encourage you to find out!
on November 14th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
This has the stench of PC. oh, wait, the first amendment and free speech are only for leftwing bigots. unhappy? hit the road and dont let the door hit your arse
on December 18th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Kamal……..you need to read “The Trouble With Islam Today” by Irshad Manji who is also a Muslim. I have a great deal of respect for this Muslim woman who tells it like it actually is. Don’t avoid the truth……read the book. She was raised in Iran…..were you? The professor’s remarks to the Muslim’s Student’s Assoc. was in response to their deriding the Danish cartoons depicting Mohammad as a terriorist. Where do you suppose that came from? He was not a non-violent person preaching “turn the other cheek” was he? This was left out of the article about the professor. I’m sure, like a lot of us, he’d had about enough of groups like this condemning free speech. We live in America…..not Iran. Here it’s legal as it is in Denmark. Political cartoonists are as common as rain-drops and we either take them or leave them, but we don’t put out a death edict on their heads. Only the Muslims have done that. I have many Muslim friends and also a Qur’an on my book shelf. I have read it….have you? I suspect you need to, or better yet read Irshad Manji’s enlightening book and it might open your eyes and those of the Muslim Student’s Assoc. Maybe you should all be outraged by the way your religion is being hijacked by the extremists or better yet write an article on the Islamic father in Texas who murdered his 2 wonderful daugthters simply because they were dating Occidentals. Your faith refers to this as an “Honor” killing. Where does all of this venom come from in your religion? Mohammad?? The good professor probably would have rather seen the Muslim students attack something like that instead…….do you think? Write back to this when you have read her book…..I’d like to hear from you.. My e-mail is dickj@aloha.net
on December 30th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
I’m glad to see there’s is at least one person in the University world that has some common sense. All of this “baby them because it might offend them” crap is beyond ridiculous. Yeah, some great religion you have there that says to rape and kill. Call me wrong? Then maybe you should use your computer to do some research yourself or maybe you think it was ok and justified that a woman was gang raped because of something her father did. Yeah, some great belief system you have there.
on December 31st, 2009 at 9:44 am
Scott,
Hate describes what you said here. If someone wants to be hateful and ignorant, I cannot do anything to stop it, but I must say that rape and murder are both big sins in Islam.
Again, culture is different from religion and faith. If poverty and cultural problems have led to a crime like gang rape, that has nothing to do with their religion. They would do it with any other faith.
Religions are sometimes hijacked by governments for money, power, etc. This is sad, but the real truth has been always protected by true believers.
I would suggest that you expand your sources of information. For example see:
http://www.nasr.org/
Prof. Nasr’s son is Dr. Vali Nasr an adviser to President Obama.
Happy new year and wish everybody true happiness.
on December 31st, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Dr. Kamal,
Yeah what happened to that woman, as well as other in that region of out world, is a travesty and that is as nice as it can be said. With the inferences you have with your words I cannot disagree because it speaks truth and I agree with you in that many times religion is, as you said, hijacked by governments or sects in society to use as their reasoning for their actions and deeds. On the same note though I’m sure you can see how it can make many distrustful of certain ideologies because of those actions and not want to have themselves be forced to defend that. I think, and I feel this is also how you feel, that no group or followers of particular religious beliefs should be judged as a whole because of the actions of few. However this is also where the majority should take a stand against those that defile their beliefs and how the rest of the world views them instead of jumping on a person that makes a statement. Quite simply until we all make a choice to stop these things nothing will ever happen to end them.
on July 8th, 2010 at 1:48 am
Dear Sir,
I agree with the grain of your email, however, I must point out that Muslims in the USA also have a right to free speech and protest.
If you want to cure this problem, then you have to start doing what the Europeans have started. Ban the Burqa by Law. if you succeed at that start passing laws that will curtail their religious activities in your country. The same as you have curtailed the religious activists of your own religion.
If you do not do this quickly, then it will not be long before your country has a Full Muslim President and then the S**t will really hit the fan.
Political correctness is really the beginning of the end. Vote banks and Politics are the real dangers. First your University should stop the intake of any new Muslim from any country. Then fail and deport all those who are part of the Muslim organization on your campus. Start the cleansing at one end, they will take it to court, fight it there.
Start now, or by the time a few years go by, and with the way in which the Muslims multiply, they will soon take over your country through the ballot.
Best of luck
on August 12th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Re Professor Wichman – I have read the comments disapproving of his email. In them I have seen much hate, much complaint, much disgust. But what I haven’t seen is any calm, rational discourse stating what is factually wrong with his comments.
I was particularly in synch with his comparison to a mere cartoon and physical acts of killing people in horrendous ways. Again – I saw no comments dealing with that.
on August 26th, 2010 at 9:57 am
The professor appears to be inviting Muslims to conform to America’s lifestyle or go back home where they can practice Sharia and bother no one. One can call it hate or one can call it factual but I call it they way many Americans feel since our Muslim symphathising president appears to care more about not making Muslims mad as he does about doing the right thing. I believe Muslims have the right to be here and worship as they please like everyone else but mort Muslim Americans or Muslims around the world do not agree with the radical Islam violence that has been perpetrated by some, as the professor so eloquently spoke of.
on September 3rd, 2010 at 10:53 pm
I fully agree with the professor. It is a very simple equation. You can either live in a country where religion can be debated and criticized or you can live in a country where it can not be.
I am not a Christian or Muslim which is why I love the first amendment. I do not want to see “hate speech laws” extended to cover religion.
I don’t know what Islam or any other religion preaches and I really don’t care. I do know that I want to live in a country that fully and unequivocal protects my right to criticize any idea or religion.
Maybe we should make criticism of Israel illegal because it is the Jewish holy land? Maybe we should make criticism of sex abuse in the Catholic church illegal because the Pope does not like it?
on October 24th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Wow, just became aware of this issue – and now reading these comments – what a buncha smug, self-congratulatory, condescending vaporheads most of you all are!! This professor was expressing his opinion, he was not hating muslims, he was not telling them to go, he was saying if you don’t like it here go back to where you came from. He didn’t say muslims have no right to exist, he didn’t scream at them – he said he didn’t get offended at cartoons but saved his offense for more serious things. I’ve lived in three muslim countries – shall we compare and contrast to the rights and freedom we enjoy here, esp. women?? WOW. They can dish out the hate but can’t take even an honest opinion without getting their knickers in a twist whimper whimper – and you all just gooooo along. here’s an idea, why don’t all of YOU move to a muslim and sharia dominated country and check out exactly what you are championing???? I’m with the professor on this all the way – why move here if you hate it? or is it that they want the product of others’ generations of hard work and freedom so that they don’t have to do it themselves?? on that subject, without the engineering knowledge that the prof. teaches, the oil that makes so many muslims so smug would still be under all that sand. Maybe it should have stayed there so that outsized egos would have been restrained by earned circumstances instead of given unearned free rein. Dr. Kamal – I’ve had rocks thrown at my car for committing the SIN of a female driving through a neighborhood where the men and boys disapproved – what is going on with islam in the world right now isn’t a government hijacking a religions, it is either that the religion DOES hate the infidels or members of that religion have hijacked it – - what would the muslim world be saying about a bunch of Christians cutting off heads flying into buildings setting bombs IN THE NAME OF THEIR RELIGION – outrage outrage outrage where is the moderate Christian condemnation etc etc etc well I don’t hear mainstream moderate muslim condemnation.
on October 24th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
To those who posted sensible stuff hope you realize I didn’t mean you in the vaporheads comment! and to expand, Dr. Kamal – the rock throwing was in Bahrain, one of our “friends” I bet you mean. I’ll ask this question very seriously: does anyone really think that we have ANY real friends in the muslim world, or just governments for whom it is right now convenient and expedient and self-protective to be our friends but will they be if any tides turn? Saudi? please. Kuwait – we saved their butts but would they put themselves on the line for us? Far East muslim countries? please. Iraq? they’re busy power-broking and now looking to biggest bully on block for possible protection now that we are bugging out and leaving them high and dry and vulnerable vs. sticking with it a la Europe and Japan for over 60 years. And why bring up the Dark Ages – was just a bit of time ago, and things are very different – look what Iraq did with all that knowledge – zip. Ask NASA, ha. It is exactly a decline that we who want to keep America strong want to avoid – a dilution of our abilities and power. Muslims in Europe? you mean where they create ghettos and forbid the law of the land to intrude on their fiefdom yet feel free to take the bennies? where they keep “servants”? where they want the smell of bacon cooking in local fast food restaurant to be filtered so as to not offend muslims? If that weren’t real it would make a great Monty Python skit. @Nick – we already have a muslim president – in spirit if not in fact, and since I don’t know him I don’t know if he’s actually one or not. Elsewise why curry favor there, bow deeply, yet diss our traditional Christian and Jewish allies? again @ Dr. Kamal – culture is different from religion and faith?? in muslim dominated countries they are indistinguishable from each other, part and parcel of each other.
While on that subject – the combo of culture and religion that dictates muslim female covering up: too many women over too many years gradually fought their way, and continue to fight their way, to equality and rights including the right to vote for me to find the sight of women walking around this United States of America alllll covered up because of culture and religion anything but offensive. Yet again, want the bennies but hold tight to the practices that have kept an entire gender down – muslim women can drive, vote, do whatever they want here on the backs of the women who fought, were imprisoned, were even physically assaulted for those rights, yet again a group gaining something instantaneously that they did not earn themselves. One muslim woman wrote an article declaring the joys of wearing the head scarf, that she had an extensive and beautiful collection of headscarves and was joyful in wearing them and was quite dismissive of the rest of us chicks who did not have this wonder in their lives because we’re not muslim – - – ok fine as long as you’re wearing them to be joyful and beautiful in, not because of your gender and a bunch of men saying you had to.
on August 13th, 2012 at 10:00 am
I would get back to the issue of what the Muslims demanded – an apology. That is totally unnecessary. They were acting like victims – oh, poor us. I wouldn’t agree with any denier of the Holocaust but I sure get tired of the inroads Muslims are making in our country.