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Neo-Nazi Official Patrolling Arizona Border Lauds Violence
As if Arizona wasn’t already unfriendly enough territory for immigrants, now they have to face angry, armed neo-Nazis. Incredibly, a small group of heavily armed racists patrolled for migrants and drug cartels last week on the Southern border.
Led by J.T. Ready — a recent member of the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement (NSM) — the group, who call themselves Ready’s Rangers, took to the desert armed with semi-automatic rifles and clad in fatigues, military style helmets and Kevlar vests. The “rangers” ended up holding 11 immigrants at gunpoint, according to participant Harry Hughes, NSM’s media spokesman.
It wasn’t the first time out on the border for the group, which is mostly made up of NSM members. In June, Ready reported on the neo-Nazi forum New Saxon, which is run by NSM, having “captured” a total of “[t]hree live UDA’s (Undocumented Aliens) … and one UDA corpse” in Pinal County’s Vekol Valley. And we should expect more patrols. NSM Region 11 Director Jeff Hall promises “future large scale missions” in both California and Arizona.
Ready is a racist and an anti-Semite. His frequent postings on New Saxon are remarkably crude. Among other things, he has written that “the Jew is a two-headed cancer which corrupts and putrefies all that is natural and noble upon this earth.” Today, Ready made incendiary comments to Gawker about the Judge who placed an injunction on Arizona’s anti-immigration law SB1070, saying, “Perhaps [Judge Bolton] should step her ass outside the air-conditioned courtroom sometime and see what is really happening as Rome burns and barbarians with AK-47s are in gun battles twenty miles from the gates of Phoenix.”
But as scary as J.T. is, his pal in this endeavor, Harry Hughes, might be scarier. Hughes really, really doesn’t like Mexicans, citing approvingly on his blog an article that says: “Mexican illegal aliens are revolting. And they know it. It is their purpose to disrupt us, interfere with us and give us diseases that we haven’t had in this country for 100 years.” In September 2007, in a thread on the racist forum Stormfront.org that was devoted to getting Mexicans to move out of a neighborhood, Hughes provided the following observation: “Back where I’m from they would just get into a hunting accident but that might not work here as there are too many of them.”
Hughes’ anger, by his own account, sometimes spills over into action. In July 2007, Hughes posted under his moniker “vandal52900” to Stormfront that he had shot a Mexican family’s dog. “The dog with the bullet belonged to Mexicans. I legally shot it, but was arrested for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon because I yelled at the Mexicans.” Hughes said the charges were later dropped and “the Mexicans [sic] home mysteriously burned down.” In a September 2007 post that was later removed from Stormfront, Hughes wrote: “Does getting arrested for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon for shouting at a latrino neighbor count? I was unarmed at the time and the cop was a spic.”
The “mysteriously burned” house also came up earlier, in a June 2007 Stormfront post, when Hughes contributed to a thread entitled “I’m the only white in my neighborhood that cares.” The thread was about a Mexican family supposedly living on his street. “There used to be a place [where Mexicans lived] in my neighborhood until it mysteriously burned down,” he wrote, adding happily, “The lot was cleared and these nice white people built a home there.”
A call to the Pinal County Sheriff’s Office’s public information officer about whether or not a house burned down on Hughes’ street was not immediately returned.
Hughes sounded just as ominous in March 2006 on a forum run by racist New Jersey radio host Hal Turner. At the time, Turner was suggesting that his followers arm themselves and then protest pro-immigrant rallies that were scheduled to take place across the U.S. “Let April 10, 2006 go down in history as the day Americans took up arms against tens of thousands of third-world-savages who invaded our land. Clean your guns. Have plenty of ammunition,” Turner implored. “This is the perfect scenario, opportunity and obligation for LONE WOLF action,” he said, referring to terrorist acts undertaken by individuals acting on their own. That all sounded good to Hughes: “I would like to smell smoke on the tenth,” he wrote. “Arizona could use a real good cleansing.”
And it’s not just immigrants who anger Hughes. In November 2007, he suggested that a list of so-called race traitors be compiled. “We will need a directory of some sort prior to the ‘Day of the Rope,’” Hughes wrote, referring to a scene in the racist novel The Turner Diaries. (The book, written by the late neo-Nazi leader William Pierce, describes how revolutionary whites murder Jews, non-whites and, especially, white women who have slept with men of color, on “the day of the rope.”) Hughes added, “A website would make this data easily accessible for use by local units.”
All of which makes you wonder: Is it really a good idea to have men like J.T. Ready and Harry Hughes detaining anyone at gunpoint?
on July 29th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
I know a little about the law in the state of AZ and these “super-men” are headed for one Hell of a legal lesson.
I deeply & dearly pray that no one is harmed by their narrow minded idiocy.
It’s good you all put this out in public. Quite few people read this blog (who don’t post as far as I know) & I pretty sure that this will be noted & discussed by the appropriate authorities.
No matter what one believes regarding the illegal boarder crossings, the state does not need nit-wits detaining anyone. Especially in a sensitive & complex arena such as the boarder.
If they don’t get shut down fairly fast, they may just meet up with a bit more then they can chew out there.
on July 29th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
These guys seem far more dangerous than your ordinary disgruntled, unemployed white male bigot. This isn’t decentralized “They took our jobs” style racism spoken from the tailgate of a rusted 1993 Ford Ranger, these people are making hit lists and stockpiling paramilitary-type weaponry.
Why is local law enforcement sitting on the sidelines.
on July 29th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
I don’t understand why the FBI does not arrest any of these guys by doing nothing it encourages these groups to do whatever they want.
on July 29th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
When are the cops going to start arresting these reich wingnuts. They must be breaking some law or other, like incitement to riot or something.
Urging people to pick up guns and go lone wolf…that is not constitutionally protected free speech, it is shouting fire in a crowded theater.
It looks like the cops are eager to arrest hard working families who don’t have the right papers, but cops seem to ignore these criminal thugs with guns.
on July 29th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
How can this be legal…snorlax says it best, these crazed haters need to be STOPPED. I feel awful for the people they are attacking. They don’t represent America, or anything about America.
on July 29th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Why can’t these guys(Ready and Hughes etc.) be charged as terrorists? I am sorry for anyone who wants to live and work and simply care for their family ……I feel sorry for people who have to endure these creeps and every person who will cross their path—these creeps represent the worst of America…! I’m so very sorry for us all.
on July 29th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
You and I both know that many of the Border Patrol agents are just a Uniform away from being charter members of these Groups Themselves…YES, while there are Agents there-on the ground-that are Respectful and honestly doing their Work…there are many, as in any Law Enforcement arena-who just shouldn’t be there as well as these THUGS posing as righteous vigilantes… This is what AMERICA has become and it is nothing new. We can only hope that TRUE Agents will Step in before any of the Hatred-Fueled Bigots bring harm to anyone-Although I’m not overly concerned-should any Harm come to them—It is JUST what THEY Deserve.
on July 29th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
My biggest fear is unfolding. In 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis I asked my father if The Commies were going to destroy the USA. My Fathers replyed,”Son, it want be the Commies that destroy the USA. It will be destroyed from within from a Race War. The kkk and Nazi’s will start a race war”. My Father died 24 years ago. I’m glad he isnt alive to se what’s happenibg in our country. Dad would be truely sad.
on July 29th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Since the government declared that illegals were not illegal, what are those poor people supposed to do? Turn over all their property to the trespassing – stealing – killing innocent people illegals?
If those illegals came to YOUR house and walked in and took over, what would you do? Feed them, clothe them, give them all your money? Just ask yourself what would you do if it was YOU they were after???? Think about it.
on July 29th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
I applaud there efforts of catching the illegals . You are totatly wrong people they are breaking the law by not coming here lleglay. These men are doing a great justice for the nation get out if you dont love it here.
on July 29th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
yeah we are a nation of cowards when it comes to talking about race. but the worst part of it all is that a lot of great men and women fought and died to remove this menace from this planet and thanks to the traitors who have managed to infiltrate the government they have free reign to do whatever they want because they have the right to free speech and their speech is hatred. we dishonor the memory of all those that fought to defeat that pusilanimous twit hitler and his henchmen. we deserve people like this because we allow it as long as its against the other guy, remember when they come for you there wont be anyone left who gives a flying rats tail and then what? call the cops, they will be to busy firing up the ovens. for shame. christian nation my foot.
on July 29th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
oh i forgot, and God bless America. what a joke!
on July 29th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Ah the few the proud the incredibly stupid, these guys border on the surreal and then some. What I find truly unbelievable is that people of this ilk can think that all the illegal drugs in the country are brought here by Mexicans coming across the border. You can tell they are lacking brain functions by the fat they believe it’s all the border crossers are at fault, and the people who hire them are just innocent bystanders.
on July 29th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
The cops aren’t arresting “these guys.”
The cops aren’t arresting illegal aliens either.
The cops can only do what their boss tells them to do
and right now the boss is arguing with the other boss.
I read that in Maywood the police are simply not there anymore. Gone.
The executive branch is holding current law hostage as leverage to get new law enacted.
Anything goes folks.
on July 29th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
As a Christian minister, I find it appalling that the AZ law was sponsored by a Neo Nazi sympathizer and a not-so-clandestine racist: Russell Pearce. He had the law written by a FAIR lawyer, and Pearce is at least supportive of many racist organizations and activities. People of faith should recognize where the law originates: in the minds of people who sympathize with the National Socialists and other such groups. C.S. Lewis, the Christian theologian, warned that evil comes into our hearts when we allow our eyes to be turned a tiny bit from God. This law has that effect. It is a product of evil men intent on evil purposes. It is through public acceptance of such men and their laws that Adolf Hitler was able to slaughter the Jews of Europe.
on July 29th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
http://vandal49588.blogspot.co.....about.html
This is very important. These 11 illegal aliens asked for water. We DID NOT capture them and hold them at gunpoint. The firearms were for our protection as well as theirs. We operate within the law. There are those that would love to twist this into something completely different. The Border Patrol agents also questioned these subjects as to how they came to being in our custody. No Harm. No Foul. No crime was committed on our part.
Additionally, one of our “Neo-Nazis” is an American Indian. I’m almost positive that the thirsty illegals didn’t care about his political affiliations or ethnicity. Or at least didn’t care for the time being. I’m reasonably sure that if someone is out in the desert for eight days and has run out of water, they will accept water from anyone.
During the time we were waiting for the Border Patrol to respond, we actually talked to some of these men and they were thankful that we arrived when we did. They also informed us that they had not eaten in two days. As a result, we will also be bringing extra food as well as water on our patrols. These resources come from a few donations, but mostly right out of our pockets.
How would public opinion change if it became commonly known that so called Neo-Nazi groups were watering and feeding tired and hungry illegal aliens before turning them over to the Border Patrol?
If we didn’t come along, these men could have easily died out there. The way I see it, it’s better to be a deported illegal alien than a dead one.
There were quite a few witnesses to these events. As far as the neighbor’s house, the slumlord that owned it was probably the one that arranged to have it torched as the tenants rendered it unlivable.
Get real people! Learn the facts befiore spouting your hateful anti-white venom.
on July 29th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
I’m real sure Arizona has laws similar to other states about unlawful imprisonment. They just need to enforce them.
I feel for the people being detained in that photo. I hope they know those idiots are not representing American values.
on July 30th, 2010 at 1:22 am
It’s really sad that these guys have to play dress up in the desert to feel better about themselves.
on July 30th, 2010 at 8:23 am
They are the tip of the iceberg I believe … Americans are fed up with the Govt doing nothing about this as the political parties jockey to see who can sign them up for their party and get their votes … At least these guys are doing something … God bless them ….
on July 30th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Jerry, how often do illegals come into your house? I wouldn’t be surprised if “illegals” built your house, or at least many of the shopping centers and businesses you frequent on a daily basis.
Oh and for Scott Hu–I mean, Harry Hughes, does your American Indian partner know about your work with the National Alliance, National Vanguard, and NSM?
on July 30th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Oops, nearly forgot. If you guys aren’t Nazis, why is there an NSM logo in those photos? Why does the guy on the right with the shotgun appear to be wearing a Gebirgsmuze, which appears to have a Wehrmacht eagle on it?
on July 30th, 2010 at 9:05 am
I’ve been keeping an eye on this group for a while. Here’s a clip from a CBS news report:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/w.....photovideo
Notice TJ Ready brags about how he will “kill them”.
I think what is happening is a bunch of nobodies have started to get some media publicity at a time when their reckless and very extreme activities are being welcomed by an increasingly radical right mainstream in Arizona. That has encouraged them to seek more media attention by this supposed “capture”.
Some of these individuals are ex-military and this is a common theme we’ve seen many times on this blog. There is obviously a dynamic flux between discharged military and radical fringe groups, so it makes me wonder if our wartime screening is so weak that it encourages the enlistment of truly dangerous people who should not be getting trained and organized by the government.
I think as well this emergence into the media of a group that not long ago would have been universally shunned is representative of the festering morals of the right wing and a generalized disintegration of real patriotic values into a powderkeg of rancorous discontent.
They call themselves patriots but they are base villains who have nothing in common with America’s national interests or values. They look like domestic terrorists waiting for their opportunity to make a statement just like Timothy McVeigh.
on July 30th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Law enforcement sits on the side lines and lets these hatemongers gain momentum because like Max said, many in law enforcement are closet right wing extremist sympathizers and some may even have their hood at the ready in the dark of night!!
on July 30th, 2010 at 10:03 am
Mr. Curtis Rivers,
you took the words out of my mouth, i don’t understand , why when news anchors have Mr. Russell Pearce on the news interviewing him, no reporter ever makes the mention that he is involved with J.T.Ready a known white hate group leader who are shown together in a picture when you google russell pearce., yet he is trying to tell people that the law he wrote is not racist.Duh ,they all think we are dumb.but with this type of thing continuing to happen it tells me that the media does not do it’s fair and balanced ,fact based ,transparent ,job in reporting the TRUTH,the complete news, we saw them embarressed with Mrs. Sherrod because no one did their HOMEWORK, and we learned it with terrible lessons in the wars we are still fighting from the Bush years the blood and treasure spent, the media did not push for the truth they tell us news on a need to know basis,they should be questioning Russell Pearces background and motives in an interview and maybe the rest of the United States would understand why the hispanics ( and now the Asian community)here in Arizona feel the way they do and comment on the law of SB 1070 as they do, because of who wrote it.A racist man and his cohorts with an agenda i feel to do what Charles Manson wanted to do create ‘HELTER SKELTER’ and the second civil war.
on July 30th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Geo has a great question. He forgot New Black Panthers, ACORN, SEIU, Tide, Apollo, open border mobs and the many radicals who are against Free Speech, Capitalism, Democratic Republic.
To attack a person as a racist is just a way to shut up the debate. I admit there are persons who are racist but to blanket groups is a little far reaching.
If one would come to the border and see with their eyes what is happenig would think twice. American is being invaded and the Federal Government is not doing their job to stop it. If you property was being invaded you would do something about it. Calling 911 you might get a ration of BC. “It’s not my responsibility’. Call x.y.z.
on July 30th, 2010 at 10:36 am
If you don’t like the fact that “groups” have to do what they can to secure our border with mexico then yell at the Federal Government for NOT DOING THEIR JOB. The border agents are attacked daily—-and our government does nothing, illegals enter our country—trashing it on their trail—-our government does nothing, they rape, murder and steal from American citizens—-our government does nothing. Direct your anger towards the right source and hold those responsible (those who have taken an oath to protect the citizens of this nation) for the invasion that is being allowed to happen. This is NOT racism—-this is simply anger.
on July 30th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
The bigots love to talk about the illegals commiting crimes but it is they who are kidnapping people at gun point.
on July 30th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Douglas said, on July 30th, 2010 at 10:12 am
To attack a person as a racist is just a way to shut up the debate.
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Come now, Douglas. Where’s your sense of history?
In Homer, Achilles challenges Agamemon by saying he has the forehead of a dog and the heart of a deer.
Such challenges are a classic way of getting the debate going, especially when it’s true.
on July 30th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
Thank god someone has the balls to do something about this invasion before our entire country belongs to the drug cartell and the mexican rapists and murderers who come
here and commit crimes only to escape back into mexico
untraced.
on July 30th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Vel Hunt,
You say anger should be directed at the government for not securing the border! Wrong!!!!!
It’s amazing how people are blaming the government for the border. Have you noticed that it’s the corporations as well as small businesses hiring, as you prefer to call them, illegal aliens? This is a waste of taxpayer dollars to keep hiring more and more border agents when the corporations and small business owners continue to use recruiters to solicit workers from other countries. Yes, that’s right, why do we have to keep being stuck with the tab of these corporations and yes, small businesses? That’s where the anger should be, not only are jobs outsourced out of the country, but here as well.
And Douglas, I’ve noticed people keep mentioning the Black Panther Party – what does the Black Panther Party have to do with this issue in Arizona? In fact, why is it that people like you always like to drag black people into everything? Isn’t their other nationalities in this country? Point is, I don’t see people like you talking about the foreigners coming here infiltrating our government or other entities, hint, the latest Russian spies!
Today in Costa Mesa Calif, in front of the U.S. Post Office, two people were out with their ‘Impeach Obama’ petitions and usual Obama is Hitler posters. People, give me a break, I bet Hitler is ‘turning over in his grave’ on this non-sense, specifically, if Hitler didn’t like Jews, I am certain he didn’t like blacks. So, again, what a shame for these little Hitlers and Hitlerettes, not knowing the history of their idol.
And for the mystery ‘American-Indian’ out in the desert, yes, I’ve read that he hopes to become a police officer one day – read all about it in Stephen Lemon’s Phoenix New Times, in fact, on this day the pictures were taken, I’ve read that these neo-Nazi’s prevented the media from really getting absolute access!
on July 30th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Douglas,
I forgot to add, bringing in SEIU and other union organizations, maybe you should view http://killercoke.org so that you can see what is happening in other countries within their labor forces. And while you’re at it, look up what’s happening with the company Monsato and the farmers in Canada – farmers have to pay fees to use their seeds for their crops, much less, they will be paying Monsato forever. Then look up Smith foods in Mexico. BTW, check the vin number on your car, if the vin number doesn’t begin with a 1 or 4, your car was not made in the U.S.
on July 31st, 2010 at 1:55 am
why aren’t the joe arpaios of arizona arresting idiots like these! the answer is because they are all patch wearing members of the same hate groups.if nazis like these fools are gonna be allowed to conduct activities like this america is in serious trouble! i am a vet of mexican decent and looking at those photos of them nazis holding up a flag with the swastika on it ticks me off…not too long ago that flag represented a evil ideology that wanted to destroy this nation and now these fools worship that way of thinking.these groups represent the creeps like russel pearce and the other racists who have infiltrated the arizona government and are masquerading as patriots.i agree with what a poster said that this is eventually going to lead to a race war if it is allowed to continue unchecked.the government in arizona decided to play with fire when they allowed the racist elements in that government to run the show.how much disrespect and dehumanizing can a people tolerate? kinda like the school yard bully he will continue to pick on you until you decide to fight back.
on July 31st, 2010 at 2:06 am
Yes, Arizona does need a “cleansing}, it needs to be
cleansed of people with this attitude that is ok to harm
other persons, for any reasons. I can’t believe that this
group is allowed to run free with their really SICK attitude,
this behavior would not be allowed in any other state in
America that i am aware of. Do these so called [human
beings] have so little else in their lives that they would
follow such leaders. I am appalled, they either belong
in a mental hospital or a prison. Personally , i am
favoring prison. j
on July 31st, 2010 at 3:15 am
Douglas, what the hell do the NBPP(a marginal group with less influence than the KKK), ACORN, and SEIU have to do with each other? The problem is that people like you just repeat a long list various bogeymen thinking that the rest of us are as easily intimidated as you. I mean, ACORN? I liked it better when you guys were just scared to death about terrorists. Sure, you are more likely to be struck by lightning than die in a terrorist attack, but at least being incredibly afraid of terrorist makes sense. Now you guys are afraid of ACORN and the SEIU?
I also have to object to the assertion that these groups call people like you racist just to silence debate. They call their opponents racists because they are….wait for it….racists. Racism isn’t just about the intent of the speaker, it’s about how ideas are perceived by others as well.
And Vel, statistics have long shown that immigrants, who come primarily to work and not rape, put far more into the economy than they take out. You can scream and rant about some kind of government conspiracy to falsify such figures, but it’s an established fact.
on July 31st, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Ruslan,
In case none of these KKKrackpot Tea Pottiers doesn’t know, the “illegal invaders” had also built the flaccid old fool–Shurf Joe Arpayaso’s Fountain Hills home.
Regarding that “Apache tracker” as Ready describes him. His name is “Boggs”. He’s the badly ill-informed Native in the Chewbaca suit. I don’t know anybody in Indian Country who knows him. He’s clearly a ghost. And woefully clueless about Ready’s neo-Nazi domestic terrorist connection. As reported by the Feathered Bastard awhile back, comrade videographer Dennis Gilman had captured Ready’s racist blatherings on a Native activist back at the Mega 100,000 March on May29th. In the video, one can hear Ready’s racist nonsense directed at the Native.
Why that gullible and traitorous “Boggs” who chose to side with the domestic terrorists is beyond me. My only guess is that nobody has yet informed him of Ready’s background. Neo-Nazi J.T. Ready is clearly using that “Apache tracker” as a tool. Not to forget that there is also a Hispanic in Ready’s border patrol group. J.T. Ready has also accepted the inclusion of non-White Americans who chose to align themselves with the neo-Nazis, on the common basis of “stopping the illegal invasion”. A politiKKKal ploy that has gained him advantaged in furthering his personal agenda.
The problem with the local LEOs such as Sheriff Paul Babeu of Pinal County(a hotbed of drug/human smuggling routes), have a personal agenda of their own. Sheriff Paul was recently criticized by the media for his recent interview on the WHite Supremacist radio show the–”The Political Cesspool”. He later admitted to not knowing about the show’s idealogy, which is totally B.S. btw. In recent months, Sheriff Paul has been known in the local media to be “flirting with extreminism”, given to the man’s rants and anti-Obama rhetoric. This is only a tip of the iceberg, and Americans in AZ should be concerned……
Its a cause for alarm.
on July 31st, 2010 at 10:44 pm
american wetback, You said, “we are a nation of cowards when it comes to talking about race.” Going back at least to the 1960s, I don’t recall a time when we didn’t talk about race. Nearly every discussion about race that I’ve heard in recent decades has included someone who took the time to point out that we don’t discuss race!
You want to know what really makes Americans tremble in their shoes? Class. It is your economic status, not your race, that will determine the outcome of a trial if you are ever accused of breaking the law. If you are low-income, it has become nearly impossible to work your way out of poverty. You are relegated to your own side of town, where the neighborhood stores charge double for products that are sold at a “normal” price across town. Your children have the most under-funded (worst) schools.
Unless you are truly exceptional, forget about higher education, and without higher education, you have about a 99% chance today of remaining at the bottom. Medical care? Maybe you can get a Medicaid card, but doctors aren’t required to accept Medicaid patients, much less provide appropriate treatment. The list goes on.
From there, consider America’s appalling attitudes toward the poor. It is precisely this contempt (connected very much to fear) that has created a separate system of policies and laws that ghettoize the poor — and that make certain they stay on their ghettos.
on July 31st, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Vel Hunt — Secure our borders from what? A military invasion from Mexico?
Think about it. For decades, we were told that the “border must be secured” because Mexicans were entering the US in droves for our “generous” welfare. They did so, we were told ad nauseum, because they are a particularly lazy people. The very day that President Clinton took an ax to welfare, we heard the first alarm bells about how Mexicans — suddenly an “unusually hard-working people,” willing to work twice as hard as (lazy) Americans for half the pay — were pouring over the border to steal our jobs!
All of it’s bull, but it has driven tens of thousands of ignorant people into a panic through the years. First, even blue-eyed people with a Midwestern accent, wearing baseball caps, were req
on July 31st, 2010 at 11:04 pm
(oops — sorry about the early “send”)
…required to submit a pile of proof of identity, including birth certificates, information about parents, school records, etc., etc., before they could receive a penny of welfare. All of this information was thoroughly checked (for several reasons to long to detail here). It would have been nearly impossible for an actual illegal immigrant to obtain welfare.
On the issue of “coming here to take our jobs –”, the solution is simple. They are hired “off the record” so they can be paid illegally-low wages (and often, employers decide not to pay at all — and there is nothing an illegal worker can do about it). Instead of raiding workplaces to “round up illegals”, they SHOULD be examining the files of any employer suspected of hiring illegal labor, looking for discrepancies that would indicate illegal hiring practices, and then actually apply current laws to those employers. Make it too risky to hire illegal immigrants.
on July 31st, 2010 at 11:31 pm
I like the implication that these “racist bigots” just arose out of the blue. Yeah, the thousands of white victims of racial violence had NOTHING to do with it right?
Oh and not that anyone here cares about the constitution, but militias are perfectly constitutional.
What’s the matter, I thought diversity is great?
on August 1st, 2010 at 12:27 am
Sounds like some of you just don’t like Mexicans. Maybe because you stole the top half of their country about 150 years ago, and are afraid somebody might still say something about it or make you give it back? Being self-righteous about the inability to look past your own nose is classlessly crass. Border crime is at its lowest rate since the early years of Bush, & you whine about a “problem.” The only “problem” is that you want to see white people when you go shopping, & not brown people. ¡Viva La Raza Cósmica!
on August 1st, 2010 at 7:27 pm
I know several peace activists whose homes have been entered and “tossed” everything gone through, a real quiet aggression i assure you. Are these guys homes being tossed by the authorities?
on August 1st, 2010 at 11:00 pm
“Maybe because you stole the top half of their country about 150 years ago, and are afraid somebody might still say something about it or make you give it back?” – Bingo Long
This is typical of the anti-White racism that pervades this blog. Yes, I recall stealing the “top half of their country about 150 years ago.” What with the world’s oldest person being 114 and all, it makes sense that “we” (as in White people currently living) stole the land of Mexicans. Also, sounds to me that the concept of stealing land entails private property protection. That is kind of shocking coming from an anti-capitalist blog such as this one.
on August 2nd, 2010 at 3:25 am
His frequent postings on New Saxon are remarkably crude. Among other things, he has written that “the Jew is a two-headed cancer which corrupts and putrefies all that is natural and noble upon this earth.” Such truth in those words!
on August 2nd, 2010 at 5:32 am
Hey Samson, can you provide us with the statistics showing thousands of white victims of racial violence? Thanks in advance.
on August 2nd, 2010 at 8:23 am
Samson,
Maybe you should check the Constitution again. Militias (State run, regulated and controlled by the Governor unless the President needs them) are constitutional, but these “Rangers” aren’t a constitutionally protected militia-they are a vigilante group which is illegal. These guys should be picked up, tried for obstruction in a federal court and promptly sent to the ADMAX in Florence, CO to never again be allowed to see the light of day.
I’m a little tired of hearing the reich wing rants, you bitch about being invaded, yet you have no empirical evidence. Solid proof, not made up testimonials is the only thing that will do. When you have that you will find support, until then you are nothing more than racist bigots-and it is you who are anti-American. I think! Therefore I am truly American. A true Patriot has a brain, knows how to use it and thus does not believe a single one of your BS claims.
on August 2nd, 2010 at 9:08 am
We need a bit of Andrew Jackson at this time:
Speaking to our country on December 10, 1832 — at a time, as today, our nation was bitterly divided over state and federal authority — Jackson wrote a proclamation that stands as one of the crowning achievements of letters in the American tradition.
To quote:
“Behold (the United States) as the asylum where the wretched and the oppressed find refuge and support. Look on this picture of happiness and honor and say, WE TOO ARE CITIZENS OF AMERICA.”
on August 2nd, 2010 at 10:43 am
Lee, nobody is claiming that white people today are responsible for the Mexican war. What they are trying to say is that before some people start talking about “their” country and what not, they ought to remember that at one time a big part of that country used to be Mexico. And by the way, a lot of Mexicans back then were European, and this is still true in Mexico today.
on August 2nd, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Shadow Wolf,
I agree with you 100%. This reminds me of the games being played, always use a minority against another, then they can say, “it’s not discrimination because, see, the other person was a minority.” The days when they would send a black police officer to manhandle other blacks in the community, or use a latino to manhandle other latinos or blacks. Same applies in employee related matters.
on August 2nd, 2010 at 7:17 pm
Anyone sympathizing with illegals is incredibly elitist. Just because it is not YOUR jobs they are stealing, and YOUR neighborhoods that are becoming more violent you are willing to turn the other cheek. Working class towns are dying because it is impossible for an American citizen to keep a manufacturing job or practice a trade when illegals are willing to do the same work at below minimum wage. Similarly, it is not the college educated white collar worker that must live in the most violent neighborhoods: poor areas to which illegals flock. To everyone who, not acknowledging their privilege, argues that illegals should be able to support their families here in America ask yourself if you can say the same about the uneducated lower class. If so, then the only way to protect those without a college education is to allow them to compete for jobs again by enforcing and strengthening immigration laws.
on August 2nd, 2010 at 7:36 pm
DHFabian,
I agree with you also. I guess they haven’t looked at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce website to view the open letters to congress about the visa programs – businesses complained about wanting more visas. I also think they haven’t reviewed the type visas being issued, one is for undocumented immigrants for lower pay, the other is for immigrants of European nations to receive the same benefits as American workers.
I was looking at this program called California Vote 2010 on 7-28-2010, and the program interviewed an Irish immigrant who said she is illegally in the country for 20 years now and work as a nurses aid, and have been paid cash/under the table for just as long. In addition, the program said the new class of illegal immigration here is Irish. This program also showed an interview they did with chelene Nightingale. The website is Californiavote2010.com, again, I agree with what you are saying.
on August 3rd, 2010 at 8:50 am
The know-nothings were on the Coast To Coast AM radio show last night. George Noory is not as good a host as Art Bell was. Art Bell did not politicize the show.
They were falling all over themselves trying to claim they are not racists, even though they belong to racist groups and have been caught espousing racist ideology.
One caller noted that illegal Russian mobsters are taking over his neighborhood, but the know-nothings didn’t have any comment on that.
They’re not about enforcing immigration law at all. Or they would have demanded those white Russians be deported.
on August 3rd, 2010 at 9:01 am
My grandpa, my dad, and both my uncles answered the call to put on the uniform of the United States and fight the fascist foe in World War II.
These militia nuts are using the same swastika that my family stood up against.
To hell with these people. They’re not Americans.
They’re TRAITORS.
on August 3rd, 2010 at 9:07 am
56% of Tea Partiers are Dubya fans, from a recent poll.
The Tea Party is definitely anti-immigration, but they also revere Dubya and his “Reign of Error”. They blame Obama for everything wrong, mostly stuff he inherited from Dubya.
So, what is their beloved Dubya’s stance on immigration?
Dubya said that illegals are okay because they “just take jobs Americans don’t want”.
Dubya said that his only regret on leaving office was that he wasn’t able to get an AMNESTY bill passed into law.
The Teabaggers are anti-immigration and they love Dubya.
This is a classic case of Cognitive Dissonance.
Call the men in the white coats.
on August 3rd, 2010 at 11:37 am
These are Nazis, people!
on August 3rd, 2010 at 11:38 am
Behold Small Town Worker’s attempt to sound like a voice of the people…
“Anyone sympathizing with illegals is incredibly elitist. Just because it is not YOUR jobs they are stealing, and YOUR neighborhoods that are becoming more violent you are willing to turn the other cheek.”
Plenty of economic data shows that undocumented immigrants don’t “steal jobs”. Did they “steal” your job? Do you realize that a job cannot be “stolen” as it doesn’t belong to you?
Are you also aware that most crime in America(which on the whole is down), is not committed by immigrants of any kind, but of the native population?
So there you have it:
Immigrants don’t steal jobs.
Immigrants don’t cause crime rates to go up(especially as they are going down in most places anyway.)
“Working class towns are dying because it is impossible for an American citizen to keep a manufacturing job or practice a trade when illegals are willing to do the same work at below minimum wage.”
Demonstrably false. De-industrialization was a result of factories moving overseas. Your issue is with the capitalist, not the immigrant.
“Similarly, it is not the college educated white collar worker that must live in the most violent neighborhoods: poor areas to which illegals flock.”
Yes, they WANT to live in violent dangerous neighborhoods. Seriously, I lived in a very violent “barrio”, but it was not the undocumented workers committing the crime.
Are you getting this yet? There is no correlation between undocumented workers and violent crime.
on August 3rd, 2010 at 11:40 am
Check out the recent comment from “Small Town Worker”, and ask yourself if this fool is dumb-assed enough to think we buy that for a minute. He talks like a middle aged, rich Republican scumbag
on August 3rd, 2010 at 12:35 pm
“Small town worker,” the reason the manufacturing jobs have disappeared is not illegal immigrants, it’s legal emigrants – businesses moving overseas to take advantage of even cheaper labor than what they can find in the U.S. by fair means or foul.
Racism just plays into the globalist-imperialist policies and attitudes that make such things possible: We white northern-European-descended people are so much better and smarter than everyone else, of course we’re entitled to exploit them. Anyone who really wants to “fight the power” should start by examining how their own beliefs in things like racial superiority help trap them into victimization.
on August 3rd, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Snorlax’s family sacrificed potentially everything to fight these Huns and stave off their wicked onslaught and the real threat of global oppression. The swastika is a symbol of international oppobrium.
Now they caper and commit gun-waving antics on You Tube and have become pocket celebrities for the nativists, who secretly revel in it. Snorlax has every reason to be furious and is justified in his rage.
Where are the valiant defenders of American values now that the fascist extremist has gone from being a remote and distant foe, to infiltrating our own country and destroying us from within?
on August 3rd, 2010 at 3:37 pm
To add some context to Ruslan’s commentary, there have been a number of peer reviewed studies from major institutions looking at immigrants (documented and undocumented) and criminality.
By comparing police and prison records with immigration statistics, it is possible to state with precision that native born persons in America are statistically more likely to commit violence and property crime offenses than immigrants. So it can be argued that the presence of immigrants in fact REDUCES crime per capita in the areas where they live.
An interesting aspect of one such study from Harvard a couple years ago was that participants were shown images of immigrant neighborhoods (“barrios”) where there was visible chaos, side by side with neatly manicured lawns and homes.
Asked to pinpoint which neighborhoods had higher incidents of crime, study participants inevitably failed because of their automatic stereotype that “chaotic” looking neighborhoods were somehow more vulnerable to crime. In reality, they are not. They just look more chaotic.
on August 3rd, 2010 at 4:02 pm
CM,
I couldn’t have said it better. Two thumbs up for you!!
Small Town Worker,
Aha, ha! Elitists!!! I think you are accusing the wrong people. The GOP is the most wealthy of government. You know, the people you continue to vote for! It is the GOP that wants to cut Medicare, Social Security (even as John McCain bragged about getting $1938.00 a month Soc Sec during the elections), and Unemployment benefits. Try looking at their disclosures, example, Senate Financial Disclosures to see the wealth, just google it.
And don’t think that everyone is not affected by crime. Crime is everywhere! The well-to-do neighborhoods are also affected by the users of drugs and alcohol. An example is the ‘spring breakers,’ and these college students come from well-to-do families, tearing up neighborhoods to the point extra police is needed.
No one stole your jobs, the corporations just wanted cheaper labor and less payment of benefits. Remember, some big manufacturers threatened to file bankruptcy so as not to pay retirement and medical benefits during Dubya years in office.
on August 3rd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Small Town Worker,
Aren’t you one of the people that follows the ‘less government’ crowd? If so, this is what is happening and what will happen when people yell that government is too big and less regulation.
Interesting how the GOP have their voters repeating Ronald Reagan’s speech about how government isn’t the solution but the problem – yet, they want government to do something about the borders. Again, government isn’t hiring ‘illegal immigrants,’ nor did they bring them here, it was the corporations, just like in Vegas, the hotels were busing in immigrants for housekeeping, and various jobs for hotels on the strip.
on August 3rd, 2010 at 8:52 pm
CM don’t forget the role of mechanization in displacing human workers. To knock a nickel off the cost of production any capitalist would happily fire his entire workforce.
on August 4th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
I know that stereotyping is one of the most effective methods to justify discounting others ideas, but let me blow your minds for second: I am 27, an incredibly left wing democrat who has never voted for a republican, and a civil rights lawyer. And even a woman!!! (Sorry, the male default really bothers me).
I acknowledge that sending work oversees is a major contributor to industrial job loss, however it is, of course, not the only factor. I believe that these two components play into the same larger narrative: we need checks on industry practices to protect the working class from being crippled by the interests of business owners, including enforcement against hiring illegal immigrants, of course. Many factories specifically take out ads in Mexican newspapers encouraging workers to travel and take up employment. This is intentionally exploitative to the citizens who currently hold those positions. I know that no one is “guaranteed” a job, but I think that we should all be able to fairly compete for one with the hopes of being employed. For many without a college education, this becoming less of a reality.
I find it sad when people make arguments like “crime is everywhere.” This is the attitude that I was referencing when I said that the pro-immigrant crowd tends to be elitist. These arguments intentionally diminish the struggles of the lower class. Most citizens lucky enough to be a part of the middle class don’t know what it is like to live in a true ghetto. It is a simple truth that drug cartels operate heavily over the US-Mexico border, and it is the lower classes that are forced to deal with the resulting violence in their neighborhoods on a day to day basis. Just because you don’t personally have to deal with it, or it is not statistically significant, does not mean it doesn’t impact other American families. These families deserve us to grant legitimacy to these problems.
on August 4th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Small Town Worker,
Why is it sad that I said crime is everywhere? Crime is everywhere, actually. I find it sad when people put up blinders and when something major happens, they say, “oh, things like that never happen here.” Sometimes the difference between “a true ghetto,” and other neighborhoods is just the perception, meaning, oh, they are poor so it must be crime, and the other people are rich so it must not be crime.
Haven’t you notice that sometimes it’s the rich or middle class that have made it off the backs of the poor? BTW, if you read up and/or travel to Huntington Beach Calif aka Surf City, you will see there are a lot of skinheads, nativists…this is the same place that the City of Bell Manager had a $1M home, yes, he scammed the residents of this working/middle class city to be the highest paid manager of any city in the U.S.
San Diego, Calif, teenagers of wealthy families were gang members, and frequently beat up others, one day they killed an opposing gang-member, and they almost got off scott-free – so here, you have people with money that can sometimes buy silence and freedom, the poor, not so much.
on August 4th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
It is highly simplistic to think that unauthorized immigrants “steal” jobs of US workers.
That is simply not true.
While it is true that many work in exploitive situations, and a number of studies have shown that unauthorized immigration can mildly depress wages for unskilled workers, it is NOT true that the influx of unskilled immigrants takes away American jobs.
When the economy was booming, nobody made that claim and for good reason.
They made home construction possible (and that enriched the banks, especially when they bought entire working class neighborhoods at 50 cents on the dollar after the crash with taxpayer money).
A more accurate analysis is that unauthorized immigrants have accounted for most of the unskilled job growth in recent years.
However, it must also be understood that their labor is broadly beneficial to job creation for skilled workers (and obviously the new unskilled jobs they occupy).
So while it is true unskilled workers in America are increasingly immigrants (many unauthorized), and the wage gap between skilled and unskilled labor may have grown (to the detriment of citizen workers), it is not correct to state that the immigrants are taking American jobs or causing job loss for Americans.
If removed, the most likely thing is that most of immigrants’ jobs would simply dry up. With them, will go a lot of other jobs, including skilled labor.
Entire businesses would close, and so would grocery stores, gas stations, etc.
It’s not counter-intuitive to understand this — the reason is very simple.
Workers do spend a lot of money in our economy as well as make it possible for capitalists to enrich themselves more easily.
In fact, major corporations make more money off poor people than off rich people all around the world because they are so many of them, and they all buy food, clothing, shelter, and fuel.
The real problems with the presence of unauthorized immigrants can be addressed in large part with the stroke of a pen.
Allow them to buy health insurance.
Allow them to have drivers licenses so they can have car and liability insurance.
Give them tax IDs so they wages can be taxed more efficiently (and their benefits claimed rightfully).
Give them their rights at the same time as we demand responsibility, it is the only way.
But this simple idea that deporting 11 million people will create 11 million jobs for Americans is just ridiculous.
The cost of doing so would also be hundreds of billions of dollars (new law enforcement, new detention facilities, court costs, administrative costs, workforce verification, etc.) according to recent estimates.
on August 4th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Small Town Worker,
I think it’s unfair to say that ‘pro-immigrant groups are elitists.’ Remember, it was the GOP, Dubya, McCain…that said the immigrant groups had a right to education, no child left behind, the dream act…..they are doing jobs Americans don’t want to do…..at the same time this was when most customer service jobs were sent to Philippines and India, sometimes Panama…..
I also think it is unfair to just mention Mexico. There are Coca-Cola plants in almost all small countries (emerging) example, Pakistan, Belize, India……Intel is also in Costa Rica, most of the airplanes are serviced in Honduras. In fact, the military was complaining that they were paying $8.00 for a six-pack of cola and the writing was in Arabic. One of the military contractors, Triple Canopy, was hiring mercenaries from Peru at $30.00 a day, and when the employees received major injuries, it is reported they paid the employee $800 as total settlement/no medical…In Belize, Kraft Foods have plants and workers….I can go on and on, however, it is the corporations that is getting multi-million dollar contracts and stiffing the workers they hire as sub-contractors from other countries, this is the same thing that happened in the Cayman Islands….Is it any wonder why the GOP keeps wanting lower taxes for corporations, when obviously, the corporations care nothing for the American workers as they are setting up shop in other small countries, as well as requesting that more visas be available for the workers they want to bring in. I think it’s time for you to see http://killercoke.org so that you can see some of the things happening in other countries with workers, I think you are already aware of the worksite in China where some of the workers have committed suicide, so, yes, we have it bad here, but, it could be worse. I am not trying to be sarcastic, it’s just that there is nothing I can do when people are listening to the GOP scaring people to achieve their goals of less taxes and less government.
on August 5th, 2010 at 3:04 am
Small Town Worker,
I just caught on to something you said, “most citizens lucky enough to be part of the middle class don’t know what it’s like to live in a true ghetto.” Are you serious? Come on now! You say that you are a civil rights attorney? Seriously, did you take a sociology course? Civil rights? Public Speaking? LOL! I find this funny because I find this untrue. There are kids that live in middle class that go to ‘true ghettos’ for street dancing, rapping, maybe because of family or friends….heck, because of the civil rights movement, families were able to leave the ‘true ghetto’ and move into the middle class. Sorry, but, it just seems odd that you make these type of allegations and call people elitist, and pro-immigrant. As far as I’m concerned, I’m not sweating the small stuff, because yes, I grew up in what you call a ‘true ghetto,’ and I’m thinking that is the difference between me and you. I’ve been there before, so it wouldn’t hurt going back there again, someone like Dubya who grew up with a silver spoon wouldn’t be able to handle something like living in a ‘true ghetto.’
If it is jobs you are concerned about, maybe, and this is just a suggestion, you should have studied labor law. Because, as the GOP said when Dubya was prez, ‘those jobs aren’t coming back.’ Look around you, the new pro-ball players are coming from the Dominican Republic. And another suggestion, if you are a civil rights attorney, maybe you should see what it’s really like to live in a true ghetto, because it sounds to me, as if, you were yourself sheltered – because as a civil rights attorney, more than likely, the people living in a ‘true ghetto’ as well as ‘illegal immigrants’ will be your clients because they are the ones having their rights violated on almost step they make. I really just find this appalling that someone who claims they are a civil rights attorney make statements that you have – yes, I do believe the American workers should have a chance, but I’m not an attorney, but, I also don’t think we should violate any immigrant’s rights.
on August 5th, 2010 at 7:33 am
Minny’s so right on so many levels.
It’s not that the GOP uses fear, scorn and lies to bolster their message.
Fear, scorn and lies IS their message.
on August 8th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
I’m a 57 year old white male who works with hardworking blacks, Hispanics, Asians, gays, women, you name it everyday. Racism is a pack of lies. Racism is bullshit.
on August 10th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Small Town Worker the best way to protect American jobs is to sympathize with immigrants (regardless of the status of their documents) to the extent that we demand the same protection for them as we do all other workers in this country. Why would employers choose workers who don’t speak the language and have myriad other problems unless they could exploit them with low wages and horrendous conditions? “Enforcement” against employers has not worked and will not work unless we can enlist the assistance of the workers they exploit. We will never be able to do this if we deport anyone who complains. “Immigration enforcement” serves those who employ undocumented workers which probably explains why the “pro-business” right is so enthusiastic about it.
on August 10th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
Mitch Beales,
Yours are thoughtful words worth considering. However, I respectfully believe they are misguided.
Enforcement without regard for rights is not the American way of justice. Our Founders borrowed directly from Locke, who was opposed to authoriarian forms of governance, in laying out the philosophical principles of our land (namely “inalienable rights” that apply, by natural law, to everyone).
The question is not then, properly, whether the laws are being enforced or not; the question is how to enforce the laws on the books and what can be done about the problems of enforcing the codes in Section 8, vis-a-vis the protections in the Constitution.
A greater problem lies in the fact that enforcement — even when Constitutional — is but a tertiary stage of intervention. It does not prevent the offense. It merely establishes and secures the consequences.
There is no law in our Country that can be said to eradicate the fundamental evil. The court, when dealing with violations of any kind, address the infraction and the circumstances of it; they do not pretend to address the underlying evil of the offense.
Our laws can provide discouragement and encouragement for conduct; it can provide for punishment, rehabilitation, and attempt to make whole. But it cannot prevent the undesired conduct from ocurring because our principles are based on respect for individual free will.
Therefore, it is wiser and more effective to focus our efforts upon the root causes of unauthorized immigration, rather than place our trust in a perpetual seive called immigration enforcement. It is either that or abjure the principles which distinguish our Democracy from any other.