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Anti-Gay Haters Plan Press Conference Today at SPLC
Today at noon, a group of the nastiest gay-bashers in America plans to hold a press conference in front of the Montgomery, Ala., offices of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which publishes this blog. Claiming that the SPLC is engaged in a “campaign to demonize adherents of traditional Judeo-Christian morality,” the white organizers of the press conference are bringing along a set of black pastors in a presumed bid to embarrass the SPLC, a 40-year-old anti-racist civil rights organization.
The irony is that SPLC has named five of the participating organizations as hate groups precisely because they demonize LGBT people, using a series of well-worn lies to paint gays and lesbians as perverts, pedophiles and worse. Despite the claims of the groups, the SPLC is not attacking anyone’s morality. Instead, our hate group listings reflect the fact that they regularly propagate known falsehoods.
Take the press conference’s chief organizer, Americans for Truth About Homosexuality (AFTAH), and its leader, Peter LaBarbera. In 2007, LaBarbera claimed that there was “a disproportionate incidence of pedophilia” among gay men — a devastating accusation, but one that is entirely false, according to all the relevant scientific organizations. LaBarbera has compared the alleged dangers of homosexuality to those of “smoking, alcohol and drug abuse” and the AFTAH website describes it as a “lethal behavior addiction.” AFTAH has also claimed that an anti-bullying bill in California promoted cross-dressing and sex-change operations, among other things, to kindergartners and other children.
Here are some facts about the other organizations participating in today’s press conference that are listed by SPLC as hate groups:
Abiding Truth Ministries: Represented today by Rachel Conner, this group is headed by Scott Lively, who is the originator of the most remarkable smears of gay people of all — the completely false claims that Hitler was gay, that “the Nazi Party was entirely controlled by militaristic homosexuals,” and that gays were especially selected for the SS because of their innate brutality. Meeting with Ugandan lawmakers who would later push the so-called “Kill the Gays” bill in that country, Lively told them that the gay rights movement is “an evil institution” that seeks to replace a healthy society with “a culture of sexual promiscuity.” Before starting Abiding Truth, Lively headed a failed effort to pass an Oregon referendum that would have listed homosexuality, along with pedophilia, as “abnormal behavior.”
Illinois Family Institute (IFI): The IFI’s Laurie Higgins will not be at the press conference, but plans to issue a statement of support. In 2006, IFI’s then executive director Peter LaBarbera — now with AFTAH — demanded the closing down of all “homosexual establishments” and the repeal of all “sexual orientation laws,” shorthand for statutes that ban discrimination against gay people. When another religious right organization, Focus on the Family, toned down some of its anti-gay rhetoric in 2010, Higgins wrote that it was displaying “surprising naivete,” using the same language as pro-gay “homosexualists” and failing to confront “the pro-homosexual juggernaut.” She also attacked McDonald’s for running a gay-friendly TV ad, saying it was “hell bent on using its resources to promote subversive moral, social, and political views about homosexuality to our children.”
Mass Resistance: Mass Resistance leader Brian Camenker has claimed that groups that back anti-bullying school programs actually want to lure children into homosexuality and, very possibly, sadomasochism. In 2006, he said that gay people were trying to pass legislation that would allow sex with animals. Camenker has falsely claimed that no gay people died in the Holocaust and that the pink triangle that the Nazis forced imprisoned gay people to wear actually signified Catholic priests. He has also repeatedly linked homosexuality and pedophilia despite the falsity of that claim. In 2008, he claimed without any evidence that “skyrocketing homosexual domestic violence” since same-sex marriage became legal in Massachusetts had cost that state increasingly large sums of money.
Other groups participating in the press conference but not listed by SPLC as hate groups include Liberty Counsel, whose director of cultural affairs, Matt Barber, is scheduled to speak. Barber has argued that it would be “criminally reckless for educators to teach children that homosexual conduct is a normal, safe and perfectly acceptable alternative.” Linda Harvey of Mission America is also scheduled to issue a supporting statement. Harvey has argued that employers should not hire gay people and that parents should keep their kids away from gay doctors.
Many of these groups were involved in another effort to push back the SPLC’s 2010 decision to list a number of anti-gay organizations as hate groups. Some signed a full-page newspaper advertisement late that year accusing the SPLC of “maligning” Christians and refusing to debate the issues surrounding homosexuality. The truth, of course, is entirely different. In fact, it is the anti-gay groups that have refused to withdraw false claims about LGBT people that have no other purpose than to smear them.
on January 17th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Here is another reason for me to donate to SPLC ! ! !
on January 17th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Well, I hope there are people around who will document the whole press conference, obviously not to promote the hate groups but to record any evidence of crossing the lines between opinion and action.
on January 17th, 2012 at 10:04 am
“Demonizing Christian values”???
Were Jesus there today, there is absolutely zero doubt that He would be inside the SPLC volunteering, rather than standing outside promoting hatred to raise political cash.
on January 17th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Thanks for standing up for the truth!!!
on January 17th, 2012 at 10:07 am
What Bill Milau said. Wish I’d said it first.
on January 17th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Great breakdown! Thanks! But the quote from Linda Harvey about the blackbirds dying is one of “tame” statements she has made. She has made much more vile assertions.
on January 17th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Freedom is Speech is important to us all. Hateful speech is protected by our constitution. But lies are lies and are, arguably, criminal actions.
on January 17th, 2012 at 10:31 am
These groups have the gall to claim persecution!
I thought that the bird claim was from Cindy Jacobs? Did Linda Harvey make the same claim? Oh, how rich….LOL!
on January 17th, 2012 at 10:56 am
If the best an omnipotent being can come up with is to kill a bunch of defenseless birds because he is wroth with some humans, why would you worship an idiot like that. That’s just childish.
on January 17th, 2012 at 10:58 am
I think Bernie is right about Cindy Jacobs.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/.....adt-repeal
Jacobs is with Generals International, not Harvey’s Mission America.
on January 17th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Just renewed my subscription.
on January 17th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Thank you SPLC.
on January 17th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Save the blackbirds! That made me hysterical.
on January 17th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Thanks to all on Cindy Jacobs and Linda Harvey. It’s now fixed, thanks to your help.
on January 17th, 2012 at 11:44 am
SPLC has degenerated into irrelevant race baiters whose primary tactic is to try to intimidate others by calling everyone else haters.
on January 17th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Why are hate surprised when they are held accountable for their hate?
Why are bigots surprised when they are labelled bigots?
Why do liars always deny their lies?
Why do people who hate gays have to make stuff up, rather than just admit they hate gay people?
And why do the haters and bigots have such a tuff time acknowledging that they have already lost? Just one episode of Modern Family has more influence than 100 years of their desperate bleating; Just one Lady Gaga song is enoigh to drown out the sound of their collective hate.
Sorry bigots: we are onto you. You may have the bible, but we have the Internet, which is 10000 times more powerful at spreading truth and enlightenment than the mis-quoted pages of your dusty old book.
Word of advice to the haters and bigots: you are as out of touch with reality as Ghaddafi in the final years of his reign. And the same fate as his awaits you.
on January 17th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Thanks, SPLC, for standing up for all kinds of issues that truly affect those in our world who deserve support. I just made a $75 contribution to show that I support you in all the work you do to support those people, including but not limited to the LGBT community.
on January 17th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Of course these hate-mongering groups hate being called hate groups.
Truth has no place in their business model.
Thank you, SPLC, for calling them out.
on January 17th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Oh and one more thing, bigots: thanks for drawing attention to the SLPC and its noble mission of opposing hate, intolerence and bigotry. I just made a sizable donation, so keep up the hate as it will just help increase the reach and influence of the SLPC.
on January 17th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Yet SPLC refuses to sue any of these heterosupremacist tyrannical theocRAT corporate cults as you do to racist cults. You have only given them and continue to give them a way to beg for gay bashing blood money. I posted this on the SPLC Facebook page right after your “list” was published. SPLC response was to block me from posting there. Why do you give them free publicity that they use to incite more violence against LGBT children, women and men, and yet refuse to sue them like you did to Metzger’s White Aryan Resistance and to the KKK? All you are doing is letting these cults use SPLC listing as badges of honor to beg for more blood money and incite more violence. SUE THEM.
on January 17th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
None of these lowlifes seems to have an actual job, and so it appears that a lot of these hate groups are essentially nothing more than a home business, providing a livelihood for the extreme bottom feeders who disseminate this toxic garbage.
It’s a shame that they’re too stupid to be embarrassed. Maybe if they were capable, they’d find something more dignified to do with their lives.
on January 17th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
1. Hitler wasn’t “queer”; he was damned peculiar. He evidently liked to force both his niece and beautiful young men into degrading acts in front of him exactly because they hated it but they had to do it because he was HITLER.
2. In the same way, pedophiles choose their victims, not because of the pedophile’s orientation with adults, if any, but because of the rush they get from such power and control over their tiny prey. Why, it makes them feel like HITLER!
3. Probably some of the bearers of pink triangles were priests, but this was simply a case of overlapping categories.
4. Corruption of youth is always a power trip. When heterosexual sex before marriage was deemed to render girls unmarriageable outcasts, seducing such a girl, or deflowering her through force, left her psychologically and socially at the mercy of her deflorator. This is still the case in fundamentalist groups, but in larger circles, where the taboo is against being “queer”, a powertripper will often target a young person of the same sex. Again, this has little to do with the same person’s behavior with consenting adults.
5. In short, we are talking about the use of sexuality as an extreme bullying tactic, and we see that the groups in question think bullying is wonderful. So: what are THEY really doing behind closed doors?
on January 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Apparently. There is a lot of insecurities in these groups, along the memebers of these groups. Who knows? Maybe thei truth will come out on these groups, like some of these people could be in the closet themselves?
on January 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
o The distinction the Antigays are maliciously attempting to edit into constitutions is that gays are “icky” and we are “not the same”.
But consider this: is a legally recognized marriage between two high school sweethearts, “the same” as Larry King’s 7th marriage? What about a legally recognized marriage between a soldier off at war and a civilian at home,versus two married people, where one is on death row and the other isn’t? Is a first marriage “the same” as a third marriage? How about Britney Spear’s 55 hour marriage, or Kim Kardashian’s 72 hour one, versus a gay couple in MA who waited to marry for 35 years, and married the moment their constitutional right to do so was recognized.
The fact is, NO 2 marriages are “the same”, only antigay want to use this FACT to make sure Gays are forever treated unequally, for as long as inHUMANELY possible.
All because knowing us legally commited long term Gay couples are to be treated equally under the law, “make them squeamish”.
They claim we fill them with their variousl irrational fears of how they “might not get into heaven as “quickly” (?), or “smoothly” (?!) or as “______-ly (!), if they don’t teach their kids to sacrifice the human gay people whenever possible.
This is their proposed basis for valid lawmaking under our US Constitution?
And to think that even actual good, decent Patriotic Americans could ever be so duped in such a dangerous and unAmerican way!!!
on January 17th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Thanks for all you do SPLC thanks for throwing a light on this group of haters *(literally). By the way has anyone seen that pic of Matt LaBera with the black pastors…I think we know what dear ol Matt’s fantasies lie the most…
on January 17th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Wait, I thought they claimed that being named a hate group by the SPLC was a “Badge Of Honor”
on January 17th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Thank you SPLC! I will donate shortly.
on January 17th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Holding up a sign proclaiming “We’re not haters”. $100.
Having your tax exempt status revoked because of repeated hate speech in the name of Christianity. PRICELESS!
on January 17th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Thanks for all of your wonderful work, SPLC, both in the area of GLBT rights and the rights of all minorities. Let’s all hope that this “protest” is one of the last gasps of the “hate” movement.
on January 17th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Thanks, SPLC, for having the courage to expose these bullies! Unfortunately the more these hate groups lose on this issue, the uglier their attacks will become. Be prepared!
on January 17th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
CHRISTIANITY IS NOT HATE
So why on earth do groups like AFTAH and people like Peter LaBarbara think they’re representing Christianity???
on January 17th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
It astounds me that you continue to call the organizations listed above “hate” groups. It is an excellent and sad example of how powerful the impulse is to advance a particular agenda in spite of facts. There’s far too much to discuss here in pointing out the misinformation you distribute, especially by innuendo and inference. Maybe the quick summary is that, once again, the irony of you hatefully (and falsely) calling these organizations hateful is almost overwhelming.
on January 17th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Still Amazed,
They’re calling them ‘hate groups’ because they constantly spew vicious lies, and refuse to retract them even when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
It really isn’t that hard to comprehend…
on January 17th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Just goes to show, you can’t fix stupid. Good job SPLC.
on January 17th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Still Amazed: Please elaborate.
Cognitive dissonance getting in your way?
on January 17th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Amazing. Their response to being labeled as hate groups is to increase their hateful activities. As usual, the bigots are completely oblivious to irony.
on January 17th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Hey, Still Amazed,
Go look at the Center’s criteria for labeling an outfit a hate group. I think you’ll find their criteria is pretty stringent. And “misinformation”??? Please. Go take a look at the websites of the groups listed. It’s all true, I can guarantee that.
Or maybe you just don’t want to admit that hating people is wrong??
on January 17th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
[Untwisted Truth said,
on January 17th, 2012 at 11:44 am
SPLC has degenerated into irrelevant race baiters whose primary tactic is to try to intimidate others by calling everyone else haters.
The lies start w/ (I presume) his handle, and proceed from there.]
*I* am a Christian.
Peter LaBarbara (et al) are BIGOTS.
on January 18th, 2012 at 1:46 am
Well these folks sure do have issues with the gay man and lesbian women in america and they hate the fact that someone finally called them out on there hatred of the gay,so I feel no shame and enjoy there utter torment at the idea that all americans are coming to there senses on this issue of gay and lesbian people in america and abroad. thank you.
on January 18th, 2012 at 2:40 am
In response to the above “Still Amazed” writter.
Since when is painting gay people as child molesters or nazis supposed to be “teaching the love of Jesus Christ”?!!! If these groups were targeting African-Americans saying that black people were more likeley to rape white women than white people or that black people are behind terrorist organizations or that black people serving in the military would be destructive to the armed forces how different would that be? There is absolutely no evidence that homosexuals molest children at higher rates than heterosexuals or that homosexuals organized the Nazi movement during World War II or other bogus lies that these “Christian” groups claim!!! Why is it I come across hate sites which refer to homosexuals as “fa—-s” that they have links to articles by the Family Research Council & other groups like them which say that homosexuals are frequent child molesters and therefore homosexuals should be killed? In other words hate sites use links to articles by the Family Research Council saying things like “fa–ots should be killed because they are nothing but child molesters” linking articles by these groups as their so-called proof! If these groups are not hate groups, why then do a lot of their articles end up on sites calling gays “fa–ots” or calling for gays to be killed if these groups are not teaching hatred?!!!!!
Yet these groups continue to lie that they are listed by the SPLC as hate groups because they “believe homosexuality is a sin” or because they “stand for morality” or because they “believe marriage should be between one man and one woman”. Why don’t they just tell the truth to everyone the real reasons for why they are listed as hate groups?! Because they go around calling gay people “child molesters”, “Nazis”, “Destructive to the Military” and other stupid lies!!!!!
on January 18th, 2012 at 4:16 am
Hey “still amazed” — why don’t you take your argument to a hate group website where it will be more appreciated? Nobody is buying the bigot brigade’s false claims of victimization — all these groups have ever done is prey on and victimize groups who are percieved to be weaker. It’s called bullying. Hey I have an idea– why don’t these groups shut up about gay people, or at least stop lying about them? Nobody respects a liar, and nobody listens to one, except for the stupid and the hate filled.
on January 18th, 2012 at 5:37 am
Strepsi Jesus was there and if you knew the Bible or Knew anything about Jesus you would know he NEVER tolerated sin. God is love and He loves all of us in spite of our sins but He never tolerates it. God bless James
on January 18th, 2012 at 6:34 am
“Why are hate surprised when they are held accountable for their hate?”
Who told you they hate? The SPLC?
While “hate” is genuine, but it can also be used as a POLITICAL LABEL to inspire opinion… the “hate” card, or the “race” card.
“He feels that way about that political subject because he hates.”
It’s an ad honinem. It ignores the issues and attacks the individual.
That’s why you don’t see a definition of “hate” posted anywhere on this website. It frightens them because they would have to prove that an individual “hates” by definition and then make the conclusion logically.
Logical conclusion are antithetical to the SPLC’s agenda.
on January 18th, 2012 at 8:01 am
I for one await the news conference, I believe this organization as well as the NAACP etc.. to be filled with racist individuals and haters who hide under a presumed good will name tag! WHat difference does it matter, why do you call out the white group and the black pastors differently.. pathetic this organization is.
on January 18th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Ron H, what proof do you have that the SLPC is a racist organization? Seriously, a group that calls out folks like the members of AFTAH that perpetuate lies about a group of people (in this case, homosexuals) are bigots? That’s some very strange logic and it doesn’t make sense. The SPLC is doing something to have these folks lambasting them.
People like the AFTAH members are not real Christians. A real Christian would not call on God to destroy an organization or kill a group of people, which many so-called “Christians” have done pertaining to Muslims. A real Christian would follow the teachings of Jesus Christ such as love thy neighbor or the Ten Commandments. Let’s face it, a lot of fake Christians don’t abide by those teachings.
on January 18th, 2012 at 9:49 am
When I read the headline, I said to myself, “Finally! A story about Muslim and Islamic hatred against homosexuals!” Silly me…just another anti-Christian rant by the marginalized and eminently ignored SPLC. Keep fighting the ignored fight SPLC!
on January 18th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Phillip, if someone makes up falsehoods about a group of people just because of who they are, where they come from, or what they look like to inspire others to also have negative views of said group, that is hate. For example, the Pamela Gellers of the world have said repeatedly that Muslims want to install Sharia Law in the United States. That’s bulls–t. The U.S. Constitution guarantees that no religion (Islam, Christianity, etc.) shall be a tool used to dictate laws or policies. Therefore, it would be impossible for any Muslim to install Sharia Law in the U.S. because it’s unconstitutional and the person will be in seriously hot water.
However, the Pat Robertsons of the world want to use Christianity as a tool of rule to tell people what kind of person they should have sex with, how to have sex, and to ban birth control. Whether it’s Sharia Law or Christianity, they both sound like totalitarianism.
on January 18th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Burt Z, explain how this is anti-Christian. Some of you keep accusing the SPLC of being anti-Christian, but you don’t give examples. Burt Z, whether you like it or not, the biggest haters of gays in the U.S. are Christians. I’m sure there are Muslims that hate gays. Homosexuality is looked down upon in Islam. However, which group of people in the U.S. do you see creating falsehoods about gays and say gays are going to hell just for liking the same sex and come up with bills and laws that are anti-gay? Christians.
on January 18th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Hate Speech (n.) Anything speech left wing wackos disagree with. Read your own comments, folks – you’re the “haters”.
on January 18th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Hey Socflww,
As has been said innumerable times before: freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism.
All I did was laugh at them. As far as I know, that’s not exactly hate speech…
But what do I know?
on January 18th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Thank you SPLC!
on January 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Socflww said: “Hate Speech (n.) Anything speech left wing wackos disagree with. Read your own comments, folks – you’re the “haters”.”
I like how when we ask wannabe trolls like you how we are “the real haters”, the best you can manage for proof is “read your own comments.”
And to the fellow who thought that this article is anti-Christian…First, it was not a Muslim group in question here. Second, you’ll note that the SPLC not only does not attack Christians who tolerate gays and lesbians, but also does not attack the millions who still teach homosexuality is a sin. What they are attacking here is a group which goes out of its way to slander people and influence legislation that would curtail other people’s civil rights based on their faith. Do you honestly believe that if a Muslim group were standing on those steps, they would just ignore it?
And by the way, why is it so many conservatives suddenly become pro-feminist and pro-gay ONLY when it concerns Muslims? Just once it would be nice to see Pamela Gellar come out strongly in favor of abortion and gay marriage right on Fox. With her self-proclaimed objectivist ideology, there shouldn’t be a problem for her.
on January 18th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
The EPA should site the SPLC for air pollution violations of interent and media propaganda.
on January 18th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Mark,
As has become the norm with you trolls, your comment makes absolutely no sense.
Care to learn the English language before you post again?
on January 18th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
@ ModerateMike…proof, you want hard evidence…how laughable. It is obvious you do not understand anything about Christianity if you did you wouldn’t have to ask such a ridiculous question.
Tell you what, if you provide hard evidence that AFA, Americans for Truth, ATM, FRC, and Scott Lively who believes the Bible and speak its words are haters, then I will provide proof to refute the vicious lies of SPLC. Other than that SPLC naming Christian organizations as haters is all the proof you need, check your own source – SPLC – those who hate the truth call truth hate.
BTW, most of the supporters and donors are most likely all SPLC staffers trying to make it seem as if there is support for this God-hating organization. Laughable.
on January 18th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
@ A.D.M. “the biggest haters of gays in the U.S. are Christians.
Really? Based on what? Care to provide “hard evidence?” Are we become your enemies because we tell you the truth…sexual behavior is just that – a conduct and behavior. Christian opposition is the only thing that stands in the way of this BEHAVIOR corrupting the entire society. BEHAVIOR get it? Do what you do in the privacy of your own home but don’t CRAM IT DOWN society’s collective throat. Those who want to do it, go for it and reap the health “benefits” from it. But stop trying to justify it as an acceptable NORMAL lifestyle. Up until 1973 homosexuality was rightfully classified as a mental disorder. Do some research from non-Christian sources and see the mental health stats for those involved in this BEHAVIOR. Better yet check out the society’s that collapsed from such unrestrained abnormal behavior.
on January 18th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Typo correction: societies not society’s…
on January 18th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Rachel, darling,
I am in no way affiliated with the SPLC other than as a commenter on the blog.
The burden of proof is on you guys. The SPLC has provided oodles and oodles of evidence (oodles being the technical term), but your side? Well you’ve just produced a lot of hot air. Boo hoo.
The tides are turning against bigotry. Whether you like it or not.
on January 18th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Rachel,
Care to name a society that collapsed from acceptance of homosexual behavior?
And you can’t use Sodom and Gomorrah. The Bible is not a valid historical text.
on January 18th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Hi:
Haven’t commented here for sometimes, but let me say that I’m proud to be homophobic. Gay/lesbian activities by willing adults is comparable to pot smoking by willing adults. Yes, the law allows this in the U.S., but we must try to find a cure for gay/lesbian activities. Sex changes to repeat are mutilations & they must abolish this. You can call me a bigot but it’s good to be a bigot against gay/lesbian activities & viewing it the same way as marijuana smoking as it’s bad for health.
on January 18th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
To the christian trolls who were alerted to come to this site and post:
The only groups in the USA who oppose equality legislation are christian. Mormon, baptist, protestant.
There is NO OTHER organized resistance to the equality of gay Americans.
And, just one more time: What’s it to ya?
Think homosexuality is wrong? Don’t be a homosexual.
Think abortion is wrong? Don’t have one.
Think prostitution is wrong? Don’t be or engage a prostitute.
Other than that: Mind Your Own Business.
Oh yeah…the argument that gay equality will destroy civilization as we know it, destroy communities and is a threat to the existence of society: Lessee…Canada seems to still be on the map. As are Denmark and the UK and several other countries who long ago allowed gay people to serve in their militaries, allow equal marriage, and don’t give a flying fig what you demented christians think about it.
Their national healthcare coverages have lasted about 50 years or so and they’re still a democratic country.
See, socialism is not the opposite of democracy.
Gods, you are all so flaming STUPID! You really don’t know anything about anything. You can’t prove anything. All the REAL evidence proves you’re wrong.
And yet, here you are, still spouting it.
Wanna know why?
Because the very foundation of your religious belief system DEMANDS that you have an ENEMY to focus your energies on.
The judeo/christian phenomenon is the most destructive, vile, humanity-debasing construct that has ever befallen mankind.
You’ve opposed people of color, women, children, and now gays.
You fight for centuries to STOP other people who are doing you no harm whatsoever from being recognized as HUMAN with the same rights as anyone else, and you ALWAYS LOSE!
People of color: Legally equal
Women: Legally equal
Children: no longer the “property” of their parents to be farmed out to sweatshops.
Gay people: Receiving equal treatment under the law all over the world.
on January 18th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Randall, please avoid absolutes such as ‘The only groups in the USA who oppose equality legislation are christian. Mormon, baptist, protestant.’ I’m a non-Christian & if you’ve seen my past posts, my parents came from mostly Hindu India, but I’m a non-religious person who thinks gay/lesbian activities are bad just as crack smoking is. Ok, most people who agree with me are Judeo-Christians but there are non-Christians such as myself who oppose homosexuality & who believe in abolishing sex changes. Also I support a woman’s right to have an abortion & in some cases pro-abortion such as if it can be predicted an unborn baby will be gay/lesbian or a transexual, then go ahead & abort it just as I support aborting unborn Down Syndrome babies.
on January 18th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Wow, I sure did miss you Funinsnow.
Oh, wait. No I didn’t. You have honestly uttered the most despicable comment on this entire article, and I seem to think you don’t even realize how disgusting it was. Abort babies because that may eventually become LGBT? Maybe you just have a thing for Indira Gandhi and her policies of ‘volunteered’ sterilization.
You are just as bad, and even arguably worse than these people. ‘As bad as smoking crack?’ Now that’s just silly and I won’t even dignify it with a proper response.
on January 18th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Funinsnow,
Also, not a single study shows any other risks from marijuana smoking than smoke inhalation.
You seriously need to get your head out of your posterior.
on January 19th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Rachel, if you want to proof, take a look at comments made by Christian extremists like yourself. That’s all the proof you need.
on January 19th, 2012 at 8:50 am
By the way, with the way you think, you’re the one who is really Godless.
on January 19th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Aron any society that is no longer in existence has “collapsed” and haters like Rachel will assert that they did so due to whatever it is they hate.
on January 19th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Aron, I haven’t visited India since 2002 & I don’t keep in contact with relatives I have who live there-it’s my parents who came from India. Also Indira Gandhi was not Hindu, she was Zoroastrian. I don’t know her policies of sterlization, but I oppose vasectomies & tubal ligations & have no problem if both are abolished because there are efficient birth control such as the pill, condoms & the Rhythm method. Sex is supposed to be limited to penis/vaginal sex between a man & woman or else no sex. Gays/lesbians can be celibate even if orientation doesn’t change. My view is to repeat about ending gay/lesbian activities regardless of orientation change.
But it seems that SPLC, Huffington Post, etc. score people like Dr. Paul Drummond Cameron, etc. because they give facts on the harms of gay/lesbian activities which gay/lesbian groups hate by labelling people such as the FRC as hate groups. The SPLC, Huffington Post, etc. talk about anecdotal gay bashing cases by straight men, when the fact is that almost all the violence against gays & lesbians-assault&battery & murder are domestic violence cases. Eg. if a gay were to bash his gay lover during a domestic fight, this assault&battery is usu. not going to be in the media unless it’s a strange case such as involving a famous gay couple. If a gay or lesbian were to kill their lover during a domestic fight, then it’s usu. in the local press but probably won’t be in the national press.
On the other hand, if a gay or few cases lesbian is bashed or killed by a straight man, then it makes national news incl. here on SPLC, because these cases are strange & odd-the news is about strange, odd & interesting. In December 2011, there was national news incl. in Huffington Post about a vandalism @ a gay nativity scene in Claremont Calif. So far, nobody has been arrested. Gay/lesbian groups say that the vandalism was done by ‘homophobes’ who vandalised the nativity. But as nobody has been arrested & if no suspects are found, it’s possible that the vandalism could’ve been staged by gays & lesbians who vandalized the nativity scene of 2 lesbians for sympathy purposes by using the media to lecture on how ‘homophobic’ society is & possibly get insurance money. Again, the Claremont police haven’t arrested any1 for vandalizing the gay nativity scene. If it was done by people who are against gay/lesbian activities, then it’s a dumb thing to do as it hurts our cause. But if it was done by a gay or lesbian to try to get sympathy for gays/lesbians in the media, then don’t be surprised. Gays & lesbian groups know that the national press will cover these cases as they’re strange & unusual so gays & lesbians would have a motive to stage the vandalism of the gay/lesbian nativity scene in Claremont church for sympathy & insurance money. Hope SPLC approves.
on January 19th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Mitch,
A very good point. I had always wondered why Greece had subsided as a major center of civilization. Now I know it was their acceptance of buggery.
on January 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Funinsnow,
First, I never made a comment regarding Gandhi’s faith, so I don’t know why you brought that up.
Second, since you seem to be so enamored with Paul Cameron, I’m sure you would be willing to provide evidence to support his claims. Every story you’ve ever told is simply specious. Give me numbers that prove gay-bashing doesn’t exist. Give me numbers that prove there are almost no bias-crimes against homosexuals by heterosexuals.
Please. I can’t wait to hear what you say.
on January 19th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Aron, didn’t say that gay bashings by straights don’t happen but when they do, they make the news because it’s odd & strange. I’ve also said that I’ve found that most ‘gay bashings’ when done by straight men are the straight man reacting or overreacting to a crime the gay did. A case would be a man who bashes or kills a gay after the gay grabbed the man’s butt or groin against will. Those cases are the most common gay bashings which OK would probably be overreaction, but the man overreacted to a crime the gay did which is assault&battery. If a defense lawyer in a gay bashing case wants to bring up anti-social conduct the gay did such as harass the man (proposing repeatedly after some1 has said no is criminal harassment) or assault&battery, then a jury will decide if the man’s story is true & if so was it just or excessive? If it’s excessive, then a jury will decide esp. if it’s a murder trial, should the man be convicted of 1st, 2nd or Manslaughter. I’ve answered you before in an earlier post months earlier & what you just did is answer the same ? you asked earlier, when we discussed Dr. Paul Drummond Cameron visiting Moldava.
on January 19th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Funinsnow,
And you answered the same thing. I asked for statistics. You have given me speculation. The American Justice System puts the burden of proof on the accuser. As such, there must be evidence that all of these men had been sexually assaulted by gay men prior to their beating.
You’re the one making the accusations. You’re the one who needs to produce the evidence.
Until then, you have no more credibility than Paul Cameron.
on January 20th, 2012 at 5:58 am
Aron, this will sound like a weak answer but if a man says he bashed or killed a gay after the gay committed assault&battery on him, then unless there’s contrary proof, I’ll believe the gay basher because people who take part in gay/lesbian activities aren’t to be trusted. People who take part in gay/lesbian activities tend to be anti-social as gay/lesbian activities are anti-social. & I don’t care what the AMA & APA say about Dr. Paul Drummond Cameron. Both the AMA & APA are apologists for gay/lesbian activities & the American Medical Association (AMA) is an anti-social group. Dr. Paul Drummond Cameron is right & those of us who agree with Dr. Paul Drummond Cameron don’t care what the AMA says. Hope that answers you.
on January 20th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Funinsnow,
You’re right. That was a PAINFULLY weak answer. ‘I don’t believe them because they’re EVIL!’
Good luck in life with that kind of attitude, buddy.
We’re done here.
on January 20th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Aron, we’ve repeated but again, ‘gay bashing’ cases are almost always 1 story vs. another with no other witnesses besides those involved. If a man says that he bashed or killed a gay after the gay harassed him or committed assault&battery on him, then a jury will decide if the man’s story about the gay committing a crime is true & if so, then did the man react justly or excessively. If it’s excessive, then a jury decides if it’s 1st, 2nd or Manslaughter if we have a homicide case.
That’s also true for rape trials. Most rape cases are he says she says cases where the woman says that the man forced her or threatened her with force to have sex while the man says that the woman agreed-that they did the acts she agreed to & what she & or he said no to, they didn’t do. With rape, it’s possible for a woman or man to 1st consent but change mind & say no. It’s also possible for a woman or man to 1st say not but then voluntarily change mind & decide to have sex. It’s also possible for a woman or man to say no to 1 sex act but agree to another. Rape/sex abuse cases must be judged individually by juries. So the same is true for ‘gay bashing’ cases-they must be judged individually.
on January 21st, 2012 at 1:28 pm
We should all show up wearing our “Gay Life” T-shirts.
Once they see how many of us there are, it won’t be so easy for them to walk all over us.