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California on Verge of Banning ‘Ex-Gay’ Therapy for Minors

By Evelyn Schlatter on May 31, 2012 - 12:23 pm, Posted in Anti-LGBT

The California state Senate approved legislation Wednesday that would prohibit “ex-gay” therapy for people under 18. If passed by the Assembly and signed into law by Gov. Jerry Brown, California will become the first state to protect LGBT people from potential harm caused by the therapy promoted by anti-LGBT activists.

Ex-gay therapy, also known as “reparative” or “conversion” therapy,  purports to help turn LGBT people straight. The bill’s primary sponsor, Democratic Sen. Ted Lieu, said he is seeking the ban because he believes it  is harmful and has led some to commit suicide. “The entire medical community is opposed to these phony therapies,” he said in a statement just after the bill passed. “Everyone agrees that this quackery needs to stop.”

The bill establishes that any mental health practitioner consulted to eliminate emotional and sexual feelings or desires for people of the same sex must first obtain informed consent from the patient prior. A minor would not be able to provide consent for ex-gay therapy, regardless of the desires of the minor’s parents. Under the bill, “informed consent” consists of a number of disclosures provided to the patient by the mental health practitioner to make the patient more aware of benefits, harms and alternatives to sexual orientation therapy.

Ex-gay therapy has been widely discredited by the scientific community. In 2006, the American Psychological Association (APA) stated, “There is simply no sufficiently scientifically sound evidence that sexual orientation can be changed.” In a 2009 resolution and accompanying report, the APA issued its most comprehensive repudiation to date of reparative therapy, saying that no solid evidence exists to support the idea that sexual orientation can change and that some research suggested that efforts to produce that change could be harmful.

In spite of that, and in spite of an American public that has grown increasingly supportive of LGBT people, a small group of therapists, often allied with conservative religious groups or individuals, continues to tout ex-gay therapy as a way to “free” oneself from “homosexual urges.” The preeminent group in support of reparative therapy is the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), which claims that no one is born gay and that homosexual orientation can be changed. At the heart of that argument lies the belief that homosexuality is a “deviation” from normal sexual development and can thus be treated as a mental disorder. Many groups that oppose LGBT rights use these arguments to depict LGBT people as mentally ill and to discredit them and their supporters.

Those views are on increasingly shaky ground, more so in the wake of the repudiation of a 2001 study that has long been used by ex-gay therapy proponents and anti-gay groups as “proof” that sexual orientation can change. Dr. Robert Spitzer, the study’s author, had claimed that some “highly motivated” individuals could change their sexual orientation. He recently repudiated his own study and apologized to the LGBT community. The study had long been criticized for suspect methodology and design. Spitzer used no control group and relied on the self-reports of people referred to him by Joseph Nicolosi, a therapist affiliated with NARTH.

“I was quite wrong in the conclusions that I made from this study,” Spitzer said in an exclusive interview released Wednesday by Truth Wins Out, a group that tracks anti-gay activity and the ex-gay therapy industry. “The study does not provide evidence, really, that gays can change.”

Spitzer added, “If people can recognize that being a homosexual is something that cannot be changed and that efforts to change are going to be disappointing and can be harmful, if that can be more widely known that would be very good.”

He also expressed disappointment that groups like Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays (PFOX) and Focus on the Family have refused to stop showing a video that features Spitzer discussing his study long before he repudiated it. In the interview with Truth Wins Out, he also calls on NARTH and the American College of Pediatricians (a small, anti-gay group that split from the American Academy of Pediatrics) and others to stop using the video, but didn’t seem to believe they would. “The people who are pushing the ‘ex-gay’ idea are so full of hatred for homosexuality,” he said, “that I don’t think they can respond in an ethical way.”

  • Aron

    Now he’s arguing with himself. This has gone beyond farcical.

    It is just sad.

  • funinsnow

    Repeat but regarding Pam Spaulding of Pam’s House Blend. Though she’ll probably deny, it’s my belief Pam Spaulding who is a lesbian hates straight men with straight Christian White men being hated by her the most. Not all lesbians hate straight men, but here’s to repeat why it’s believed by me Pam Spaulding does.

    1. In 2006, Pam Spaulding took side Duke woman who falsely accused several straight White Christian men of rape. The Duke woman who made the false accusation was a crack junky with a DUI conviction before Duke case & who since then was convicted of child abuse in 2011 & currently awaiting murder trial. Unsure what Pam Spaulding thinks now, but what I know is that Pam Spaulding took the side of a woman who is a crack junky child abuser because she accused Christian White men of rape which was proven a lie.

    2. Pam Spaulding in 2007 (mentioned this before) condemned former MSNBC host Tucker Carlson after Tucker Carlson talked of how he once beat up a gay who was harassing him in the bathroom when Tucker Carlson was a teenager during the Larry Craig scandal. The cops arrested the gay for harassment. Pam Spaulding wrote that Tucker Carlson had ‘masculinity issues’ because Tucker Carlson self-defended. Bathroom is the place to use the toilet & wash up, but Pam Spaulding saw nothing wrong with gays having sex in bathrooms in that she thinks Tucker Carlson should’ve just taken the abuse.

    3. Harvey Bernard Milk is some1 who Pam Spaulding idolises. Pam Spaulding sees nothing wrong with Harvey B. Milk committing homosexual statutory rape on 16 year old boy in 1964. Harvey B. Milk was worse than MW Shepard-of course Harvey B. Milk was killed @ 48 thus had more years for his anti-social conduct. If a straight man were having sex with a 16 year old girl, Pam Spaulding would’ve decried him as a statutory rapist as he should be, but the problem is Pam Spaulding thinks statutory rape is OK when it’s homoseuxal.

    Pam Spaulding should be honest & just say that she hates straight men, especially if the straight man is White & Christian.

  • funinsnow

    Also Boson, what have you been smoking ? Again, when you can’t offer a rebuttal, you get vicious as Boson just did because you don’t know how to reply to opposing views.

  • funinsnow

    Boson, that is a vicious personal attack, but you won’t stop me & I’ll tell the truths about who MW Shepard was in the last year of his life before October 1998, the harms of gay/lesbian sexual behaviors & the harms of sex change maimings no matter how much it offends you. Boson, like Reynardine, Gregory, Aron, Ian & others who post here don’t have a rebuttal & vicious personal attacks such as what you did are no surprise because you don’t know how to reply.

  • Boson


    Do everybody a favour and slit your own throat you malicious, revolting fascist shit.

  • funinsnow

    Again Reynardine, that wasn’t a rebuttal. Something to this rerun. If 1 sees nothing wrong with gay/lesbian sexual behaviors & if 1 sees nothing wrong with sex change maimings, then you’ll agree with Ted W. Lieu’s law. If however you do see something wrong with homosexual & lesbian sexual behaviors & if you see something wrong with sex change maimings, then you’ll differ with Ted W. Lieu’s law. I to repeat see something wrong with homosexual & lesbian conduct & compare it to drug junkyism by consenter adults & believe that they must make it a crime to do sex change maimings. This is repeat, but this topic depends on how 1 sees gay/lesbian sexual behaviors. In the U.S. & in many nations gay/lesbian sexual behaviors by consenter adults is legal, just as there are nations where drug use by consenter adults is legal.

  • Reynardine

    For me to use an ad hominem, you would first have to be a man.

  • funinsnow

    Reynardine, I don’t have any mice in my house so my pockets are empty. But again, personal attacks that you make shows you don’t have a rebuttal. When people can’t think of a rebuttal, they condemn & get hostile. You’re hostile to me because I tell the truths about who MW Shepard was; I speak about the harms of gay/lesbian conduct; I tell the truth about the harms of sex changes & because I offer rebuttal to Ted W. Lieu. You use ad hominems because you usually don’t get views like mine & when they arise, you get hostile because you don’t know how to reply. That’s an easy way to put it.

  • Reynardine

    I see I got taken down, Fun, because I described the diet of that mouse in your pocket. Similarly, when I make what you call an ad hominem attack, I am merely describing you. The same might be true if I were to call you a yellow-bellied corpseflogger, but of course I wouldn’t. That would be vulgar, and I’d be letting Gregory down. So I will stick to the classics and call you necrohybristic.

  • funinsnow

    Gregory, here are other sources. A Nov. 2004 20/20 show repeated the old news about MW Shepard’s Ecstasy junkyism & him being promiscuous after he believed he had AIDS. ABC (which is pro-homosexual) was condemned for that 20/20 show but most of what was said was old news. Judy Shepard has not denied the truth that 2 months before his death her son made up a story after a bartender decked him, but Judy Shepard makes excuses for her son such as him having PTSD & once medical tests disproved him, he ‘dropped the charge’, when again, it’s the cops & prosecutors who decide to prosecute or drop a case, not the victim. If the Cody cops in August 1998 had arrested Metthew W. Shepard for assault&battery + falsely reporting crime as they had enough proof for a jury to have convicted him, his October 1998 killing by 2 men may have been avoided, because he shouldn’t have been in Laramie that day-he should’ve been in a Cody jail, especially given the fact MW Shepard put down Laramie & the U of Wyoming.

    Gregory, while only you know what is in your mind I think you know what I said was the ugly truth. The journalist @ Big Island Chronicle did not delete my posts on Shepard when I discussed who MW Shepard was before October 1998 & she again didn’t dispute what I wrote-she got offended that readers tell the ugly truths. It’s hard to get neutral journalism when gay bashings are written about in the press. If a newspaper were to tell the ugly truths about a gay bashing victim as I did with MW Shepard, that newspaper’s advertisers can get boycotts from gay/lesbian groups & if a newspaper loses sponsors, then they lose money. Well with the Internet, we can and will tell the ugly truths about ‘gay bashing’ victims be it MW Shepard & Harvey B. Milk if we find this & there’s nothing the mainstream media can do to stop us. I know I’ve gotten away from the topic but I’ll end this post with a rerun of Ted W. Lieu. If Ted W. Lieu is going to write laws to forbid repair therapy for minors who do gay/lesbian conduct, then he may as well write laws which forbid repair therapy for minors who are drug junkies. You know my view that gay/lesbian sexual behaviors are comparable to drug junkyism.

  • Gregory

    You have yet to provide a shred of credible documentary evidence for your assertions. Searches based on your claims turn up negative results or, as one would expect, results to the contrary. You have been told this before and it is unreasonable for you to demand the same debunking every time you repeat these ridiculous claims.

    Also, the fact that you were banned elsewhere hardly makes you a martyr for the truth. It just means that the moderators here are exercising more patience than most. With that, I have wasted more time on you than you warrant and will leave it to Reynardine to find the appropriate Latin sobriquet for your persistent jackassery.

  • funinsnow

    Reynardine, I looked up coprohagia in the Internet dictionary. That means some1 who eats faeces or turds, so what you wrote calling me coprohagic is false & ad hominem. Also we as I said refer to people like me, Mission America’s Linda P. Harvey, Dr. Paul Drummond Cameron, etc. who oppose gay/lesbian conduct & those who oppose sex changes. The SPLC, you & others can launch personal attacks on us, but we’ll tell the truth & we we’re not scared of personal attacks you throw @ us behind the computer screen.

    Also Reynardine, we don’t have to use our real names when we post here. It’s cowardly for you to make ad hominems behind a computer screen & you like most people who post here are anonymous. Point is that neither you, Gregory, Aron or any1 else who got hostile to me when I told the truth about who MW Shepard was before October 1998 day tried to rebut my findings but got mad that I said it. The smart thing for you to do would be to investigate what I wrote including the link I provided & then see if I was right or wrong. But you didn’t do that-you just went into personal attacks when I said things that you didn’t like.

  • Reynardine

    Fun, who is this “we”? You got a mouse in your pocket? It must be a coprophagic pervert, too.

    I am “coward” for hiding behind a computer screen? I note you never use your right name. Publish that and your address as well, and then we’ll talk.

  • Gregory

    Funi, the fact that the moderators allow you to spew your bile in no way means that they either endorse, agree or validate your ugly hatred. If that were the case, then every post by Jason Smith would carry their imprimatur.

    Rey is correct. You’ve strayed from garden variety idiocy into more malicious territory. I am done with you. Have a nice life, as you seem to be a very unhappy and confused individual.

  • funinsnow

    Also Reynardine, personal attacks such as calling me a coprohagic is typical when you don’t have rebuttal. You don’t scare us & we can stand up to you. It’s cowardly on your part to write threats against others behind a computer screen.

  • funinsnow

    Reynardine, in none of my posts did I justify MW Shepard’s killing-in fact that topic is of minor interest. The fact that Metthew Wayne Shepard falsely accused some1 of a crime he didn’t do makes him bad but my guess is that you don’t see anything wrong with it. To repeat, it’s the gay/lesbian groups who have made him a religion of him, so the bad truths about him whether it’s his Ecstasy use, etc. be told. Metthew Wayne Shepard to repeat had an anti-social personality & his false accusation is what makes him a bad person. Yes, his 2 killers were bad people, but bad people sometimes kill other bad people & MW Shepard was a bad person-being killed didn’t make him good.

  • Reynardine

    Ian, why do they then allow him to post vicious ravings about murder victims? That is a perpetrator’s tactic and a murderer’s tactic. Harvey Milk was at least a public figure in life. Matthew Shepherd was so only by his murder. His personality was not in issue, but even if it were as this coprophagic is portraying it, it would not justify his torture and murder unless Funinsnow’s personality were to justify my doing as much with him. Our time and our space should not be wasted with such mauvais ordure.