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Man with Militia Ties Accused of Obama Assassination Threat

By Bill Morlin on March 15, 2013 - 2:55 pm, Posted in Extremist Crime, Militias

Federal prosecutors are attempting to block the pre-trial release of a Pennsylvania man with militia ties who faces a charge in Texas that he threatened to kill President Obama before or during the president’s inauguration.

William Mose Tucker, 20, was arrested in Oklahoma on Jan. 20, a day before inauguration. A Jan. 16 federal indictment says he “did knowingly and willfully make a threat to take the life of and to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States.”

Tucker acknowledged to Secret Service agents that he had attended meetings of a group in El Paso called the “20th Militia,” consisting of current and former members of the military. The El Paso Times reported this week that the group has been investigated in the past by federal authorities.

The Secret Service began investigating Tucker after agents were contacted by someone who heard him threaten to kill the president, according to court documents. Agents interviewed him late last year, and he provided a telephone number where he could be contacted. But he couldn’t be located between Jan. 14 and 20 when law enforcement agents went to “numerous locations” in El Paso and Fort Bliss in Texas and to the defendant’s family home in Pennsylvania, the documents say. Tucker moved from Pennsylvania to El Paso in 2011 with his sister and brother-in-law, who was in the Army, the El Paso Times reported.

Finally, using a ruse, agents located and arrested Tucker in Lawton, Okla., where he was selling magazines the day before Obama was inaugurated. Tucker has been in jail since his arrest. At a detention hearing last month in El Paso, U.S. Magistrate Robert Castañeda ordered Tucker detained without bond because he posed a “threat to the community.”

Tucker’s defense attorney subsequently filed a request to have the magistrate’s  detention order reviewed by U.S. District Judge Philip Martinez. A hearing on that review is scheduled for March 26.  A trial date has not been set.

The defense argues that Tucker should be released on bond before trial, claiming he doesn’t pose a risk and there is no evidence he planned on following through with the alleged threat.

Besides being a flight risk, Assistant U.S. Attorney Gregory E. McDonald claims in court documents that Tucker has received firearms training from the Texas militia group. “Although the Defendant admitted he did not own any firearms, the evidence showed he did have access and even kept them for other militia members,” McDonald wrote in a court filing.

After a more in-depth investigation, the Secret Service now believes Tucker “was not being truthful and provided false information” during initial interviews with agents, the federal prosecutor’s motion said.

  • all out American

    I only hear you people attacking the American citizen not holding public office with these laws. Our Constitution in the last 40 years has went through many changes. The Constitution was never meant to be changed in the ways it has. The Fathers of this Country only meant for it to be added to not for it to be taken from. Read history Pres Lincoln used the Constitution to bring war to the south (All men shall be free) even though the most fought to keep Blacks as slaves. The Costitution stood its ground and brought its wrath down on the men that didnt under stand it with the help of Lincoln and the men that fought the worst war to come to our Country yet The Fathers of this great Country meant for what the majority wanted then that shall be done but only if the majority didnt step on the Constitutional rights of others to do so. It dos’nt say the majority is meant to give up there Constitutional rights so the minority may be more happy. But the same goes for the majority the Constitution dos’nt give them the right to rule over the minority with the majority of the vote.The Fathers of this great Country meant for all men to live free from any man or Gov and to live a better life . The 2nd Amendment was made so all men was allowed to bear arms so they may form a militia to protect the rights the Fathers of this great Country put in place to keep the people free and in control over anybody or Gov that would want to take those freedoms away from them. I think these men you talk out about realy look at themself as Americans that feel the Gov has got to large for the people to control and there Constitutional rights as the majority just Dos’nt mean a thing with the few and Gov ganging up on them. Are they traders no by the Constitution they have the right to form a militia to protect those freedoms they feel the Gov or what they think is the minority as the people wanting to steal there rights,Just as Lincoln did when the majority didnt look at blacks as men letting them think they could rule over them Are they right I dont know Ill leave that up to the majority when that war comes. Ill tell you this Im going to stick with the majority no matter what they think life to short

  • Aron

    And by that, I obviously meant you were pulling them out of your behind.

  • Aron

    Hey Tyrant,

    Before I make bets, I like to look at something from all angles.

    Where are you getting your stories from? Because I’ll bet you have a hard time finding them less than four hours after you’ve eaten.

  • Tyrant

    So a black and a white threaten the president in two different cases. Let’s see who gets more time and what excuses are given for the lesser of the “evils”. Bet ya the black gets less time in the other case.

  • aadila

    Another consideration to the comments above, which I agree with, is that quite simply many Americans experience a paralyzing sense of existential purposelessness. This may be, for want of a better word, an unintended consequence of a society geared toward consumption and convenience. At some point, the luxurient array of things, objects, and symbols of outward accomplishment fails to satisfy the need for a moral purpose intrinsic to human society.

    A response to this ennui is to join groups of people who also feel a lack of purpose in their lives and manifest this through collective expression of unhappiness, gestures of defiance of the public order which generically and exogenously becomes the object of blame, and fed by the tantalizing energy of hate. Hate and fear are expedient means to fill the void.

    So I don’t think we can look at the actions of one extremist as necessarily all-encompassing, but I also think such individuals are exemplars of the kinds of frustrating meaningless experienced by members of a society in distress.

    Just as with religious extremists who turn to the fundamentals of Medieval religious thought in rejection of modernity, the militia and anti-patriot (their proper name) groups form a microcosm of backward ideology that is seriously deluded not only about the fundamentals of our political and social order, but the best course of self actualization in a society that is increasingly anonymous, fractured, despairing, and disjointed from a sense of common purpose as a nation.

    Accordingly I feel one answer to the formation of these kinds of groups and ideologies is to address the need for meaning in the lives of the American people. A good place to start is the schools, but I also think religious groups, civil society, wellness groups, philanthropic institutions and other such organizations could be tapped for collective ideas and as broad-based an effort as possible to address the deep and often nameless reasons for why people give up trying to improve their society and go their own way.

  • concernedcitizen

    Hello Kiwiwriter: I believe that treason should be more closely defined by combining the two definitions below. But if you look at the second USC the definition does state aiding the enemy here in the states or abroad:

    18 USC § 2384 – Seditious conspiracy

    Current through Pub. L. 112-283. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

    If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

    My response: I further believe that these actions should extend to the same acts taken upon the citizens of any state when the people who are committing these acts do so while conspiring or representing an group that is assembled to destroy or hinder the laws of the United States or commit acts to do so by taking forceful control of the citizens of the United States.

    If an enemy gains control over free citizens in order to coerce, threaten or employ those citizens to overthrow a government then I believe it would be better for us to consider them Enemy combatants and to try them as traitors.

    Our freedoms cannot be protected if we employ laws that would protect those who conspire to take them away.

    Our enemies are here living among us:

    Current through Pub. L. 112-283. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

    @Linnea: there is not enough emphasis put upon proper education. There is more importance and emphasis put upon entertainment. I’m all for good entertainment but when we have a growing number of people who do not understand history then we are left with individuals who are apt to fall for any type of foolish indoctrination.

  • Linnea

    You’re absolutely right, concernedcitizen. I hope this is the catalyst for the militias to be taken seriously as the threat they are. You’d think our country would have learned it’s collective lesson on this after Oklahoma City, but a lot of Americans have a tendency to be slow learners.

  • Kiwiwriter

    Concerned Citizen: I applaud and agree with what you wrote above, but unfortunately, the Constitution defines treason pretty particularly, and requires it to be aiding and abetting an enemy nation in time of war, so I don’t think the treason statutes directly apply to these would-be assassins.

    I do agree with you that these individuals and groups are a threat to the nation, when they engage in behavior that violates the law…threatening the life of the president, assembling and using explosives, harassing their fellow citizens, committing murder, and so on. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law when they violate it.

    I think the best way to address their legal activities — protests, web pages, and so on, is to educate folks on the harsh realities behind their rhetoric, while opposing the junior fascists and like-minded thugs with that most devastating of all weapons…ridicule.

  • concernedcitizen

    “Secret Service now believes Tucker “was not being truthful and provided false information” during initial interviews with agents, the federal prosecutor’s motion said.”

    My Reply:
    Well that wouldn’t be surprising now would it? They act as a group and lie as a group in order to protect and conceal their activities. Catching this one man does not mean he would respond any differently than those of his predecessors or “like kind”. Because it appears that the people who subscribe to this sort of foolishness are committing acts of treason:

    trea·son \’tr?-z?n\ n [ME tresoun, fr. AF traisun, fr. L tradition-, traditio act of handing over, fr. tradere to hand over, betray — more at traitor] (13c)
    1 : the betrayal of a trust : treachery
    2 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign’s family

    And yet some of them prescribe themselves to be sovereigns when in fact they commit overt crimes against the real sovereigns of America. Killing cops, harming communities, threatening the lives of those who we the people have freely elected as our leaders and representatives in this country.

    These so called militias and underground militias are dangerous to the civil liberties and freedoms of all free Americans. They are not elected representatives and they are not the judges and juries that we have chosen to represent our communities. They are tyrants that assign themselves authorities that they have not been vested with, and what authorities they may have as a legal citizen of this country they have greatly perverted and grossly overstepped their legal boundaries.

    So far it appears that they are organized thugs bent on pushing their personal views and agendas upon the unsuspecting American public. Why are these groups not being tried according to the laws that would govern treason; especially those who engage in such acts while wearing United States Military Uniforms and betraying the trust of their government and countrymen and women who want them there for our protection?

    The American people are not paying military members to act on behalf of the sovereign groups, underground militias, the kkk, the ss, or whatever other hate or organized crime group they may take up illicit relationships with.

    These are serious matters that must be looked into and dealt with swiftly.