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Oklahoma Pol: Gays ‘Biggest Threat Our Nation Has’

By Casey Sanchez on March 11, 2008 - 3:49 pm, Posted in Anti-LGBT

kern-with-flags.jpgAccording to Oklahoma lawmaker Sally Kern, gays are more of a threat to America than terrorists. Also, they are “going after our young children, as young as two years of age,” “infiltrating” city councils across the country, and have completed a hostile takeover of Eureka Springs, Ark.

These were just a few of the bizarre assertions in the anti-gay tirade Kern spewed at a recent appearance at a community event for supporters. Last week, the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, a Washington, D.C., political group posted the audio on YouTube.

Ironically, Kern represents a district in Oklahoma City, a community that became all too familiar with the true danger of terrorism when the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building was bombed in 1995. She sits on the House of Representatives’ Education and Human Services Committee and chairs the Social Services Committee.

While Kern’s claims were astounding, they were hardly original. In fact, taken together they’re a greatest hits medley of unhinged claims currently in vogue among anti-gay extremists and propagandists.

What follows is Hatewatch’s breakdown of four of Kern’s most outrageous quotes and their likely dubious sources:

“ As a matter of fact, studies show that no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted more than, you know, a few decades. So it’s the death knell for this country. I honestly think it’s the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam.”

This reads like it was lifted straight from the boilerplate rhetoric of the Watchmen on the Walls, an international coalition of anti-gay militants based in Latvia that has a strong presence on the West Coast of the United States. Watchmen leader Alexey Ledyaev has repeatedly claimed that gays are taking over the West in order to prime the culture for an even more radical conquest by Islamic terrorists.

“Did you know that the city council of Eureka Springs [Ark.] is now controlled by gays?”

Earlier this year, the anti-gay American Family Association released “They’re Coming To Your Town,” a 28-minute DVD that purports to show how the resort town of Eureka Springs, Ark. [pop. 2,350] was taken over in a homosexual coup. “Using deceitfulness and lies, homosexuals maneuvered themselves into positions of power and then used those positions to promote their agenda,” reads an AFA press release promoting the DVD.

“They [gays and lesbians] have more suicides, they’re more discouraged, there’s more illness, their life spans are shorter, you know, it’s not a lifestyle that is good for this nation.”

“This stuff [homosexuality] is deadly and it is spreading. It will destroy our young people and it will destroy this nation.”

Though she doesn’t cite specific data, Kern’s claims about the deadly lifestyle and shortened life spans of gays and lesbians are probably fueled by the pseudo-scientific reports of crackpot psychologist Paul Cameron, a popular speaker on the anti-gay lecture circuit of the Christian Right who portrays gays and lesbians as dangerous, diseased perverts whose average life span is only 45 years. Cameron’s work has been thoroughly discredited by mainstream social researchers. One of his most infamous studies found that “lesbians are 300 times more likely to die in car accidents than heterosexual women.”

The day after the recording of Kern’s comments was posted to YouTube, a local television reporter asked her if she truly believes that homosexuality is more of a threat to American than terrorism. “Yes I do,” Kern replied. She then added that she would not apologize for her views and that she stood by all her claims. “I say nothing that I can’t verify with facts,” she said.

  • Kemi

    Everyone is entitled to their views and opinions or even beliefs. And it’s not about considering the fact if it’s going to hurt someone or not anymore, so what if it did from this point on! Because it’s more about the fact that we as a society or nation are being subjected to a change that is beyond acceptance. Yes, others see homosexuality as a breakthrough for acceptance of different orientations or lifestyle preferences, but acceptance is one thing but going against the grain of our very fibers of morals is another. No matter how many try to construe their homosexual preference or even support for homosexual rights, it’s not about sexual preference or rights that we heterosexuals have a problem with. It’s the morality that we cannot adjust within. Meaning, the homosexual revolution is asking us to go deeper within to adjust to accept or support the homosexual lifestyle or preference. Keep this in mind, homosexuality is not just about another thing we as a people have to see as natural act or whatever it may be to integrate into our moral beliefs within ourselves and the values of marriage. The homosexual may see it as a natural born or given preference but come on, no matter how much you want to bend the whole thing, it’s not a natural act. Can you imagine if everyone was gay, how would we have any children? Oh, yeah I guess with artificial insemination, wow that’s such a natural act or way of living huh? I love all people and I am all for supporting another human being as far as their quality of life, but please, my quality of life, thinking, feelings and definition of marriage and so forth are being devalued because as soon as “one of us heterosexual” says something about homosexuality, we are ousted and condemned. Sorry but that’s called dictatorship against the heterosexual. Aside from the ones who voice their hate or prejudice against the homosexuality, there are still who just care about promoting heterosexuality the same as homosexuals promoting homosexuality. Except the fact that we are never going to stand for the same thing on certain things, neither support the same thing. And that’s all it is now. The breakthrough, acceptance, rights and so on has been established for the homosexual community or individuals in our society already, so trust me, it’s more about the fact that we will never all agree or believe or live the way we all would like to see others do. So to the homosexual person; that’s all you are facing now. You think you are facing hate or prejudice or suppression still, but it’s the other way around, you are forcing and subjecting everyone to being at your mercy because you are you considered different. You are not different anymore, you are a majority and on and on, so now it’s called dictatorship in what you are pushing on us. So let’s just love each and live our lives.

  • Jay Sieverts

    Worry, worry, worry! Wringing hands, wringing hands! So many REAL problems,but I’ve got to also debate the eternal salvation of an Oklahoma politician who dislikes homosexual culture? Please!

    What’s worse than people turning McVeigh into their political puppet are two-bit home-grown theologians preaching the new philosophy.

    Here’s a little OLD philosophy to chew on: “REPENT from your abominations or be engulfed in a fiery judgment.”

    I dunno, it used to work in the old days. Even got those swine in the cursed city of Nineveh to don the sackcloth. But now? All its good for is to rile the “feel-good” fools.

    Yeah… we need a severe global depression to clear everyone’s minds. Its hard to debate gay rights when you’re starving to death.

  • Slavyanski

    Yeah but Jesus also didn’t exist either, while(perhaps unfortunately) Reverend Phelps does.

  • http://n/a brian

    Re: the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas.

    Jesus spoke with authority given by God. He wasn’t obnoxious though. While he did call some of the temple elite “snakes” and “vipers”, he didn’t go around calling people “fags”, “faggot-maggots”, “dykes”, “turds”, “bastards” and so on. Also, he didn’t:

    1. Celebrate and do a jig on hearing of the death of a 17-year-old girl.

    2. Go into a drunken rage and unlawfully kill someone’s pet dog.

    3. Beat a child with a mattock handle so badly that the kid went into shock. In fact, he told Peter to put away his sword, and he then healed the injured soldier’s ear.

    4. Stand outside a theatre and ask young children if their fathers had sodomized them the previous night.

    5. Say, “King Herod looks like an anal-copulator, and his grinning kids look slutty and gay.”

    6. Rejoice when people die from crimes, natural disasters, disease, or accidents.

    7. Make vast, ooutrageous overgeneralizations about entire countries, faiths, and ethnic groups. With the aparble of the Good Samaritan, he specifically taught against stereotyping and prejudice.

    I could go on. WBC seems to only focus on sexual sin, but not on spiritual/heart sins, such as hubris (extreme pride) and hate.

    Anyone who hates another in his heart is a murderer at heart. Jesus says that as well. So, if your heart is not right when you are “rebuking” someone, it could be hateful. Even Paul says that he always wanted to be as gentle as possible when rebuking someone, to be righteous and effective.

  • Linda Gray Murphy

    For those that would like to see the whole text of her rant visit

    Sally Kern is hurting each and every American by pushing her hate agenda. She provides proof to all that the Hate Agenda does exist. And, the gay agenda is something made up by angry straight people who use God to prove their hate is right.

    I just wonder what God will say when she get’s to the Gates of Heaven. Maybe, hello Sally you are wrong on so many things. Admission denied.

  • shamsuddin

    Hold up people you are missing the real picture here. What some one does with their sexual expression is their business behind closed doors. Only them and God are the witness thereof and God is not with that man on man woman on woman stuff unless that god is satan. So there are people who believe in the natural Creator of the heavens and the earth who destroyed sodom and gomorrah for these very acts and lifestyles. This has nothing to do with terrorism the Ku Klux Klan burning crosses on lawns law enforcement berserk in a frenzy of genocide. This has nothing to do with blowing up buildings this crawls in bed with your child of 2 0r 3 and it sits on councils and determines who wins favor for favor that is corrupt jack that is decadent it is cancer. I have gave my sons to America’s wars I can see what this lady is saying here. God will judge us and few care.

  • Yemaya


    Thank you for posting the letter from Tucker. I’m sure he speaks not only for those who’s loved ones were murdered by Timothy McVeigh(sp?), but those who lost someone on 9/11.

  • IludiumPhosdex

    In answer to these remarks of “Alabama Conservative Citizen:”

    And what is with IludiumPhosdex, is he applying for an internship with the SPLC and trying to impress Mark Potok with his ability to insult the opposition without disproving anything they say?

    No, I am NOT applying for an internship with the Centre of any kind.

    And besides: Since when did it become necessary to disprove the opposition as a requisite to insult them? Can you prove that “logic” and/or “common sense” require this?

  • Alabama Conservative Citizen

    I don’t think homosexuals are our country’s BIGGEST problem, but they are a part of a larger assault on our culture.

    It is really unfair for the SPLC to characterize anybody as “crackpots,” especially an organization that lists the Family Research Council as a “hate group.”

    And what is with IludiumPhosdex, is he applying for an internship with the SPLC and trying to impress Mark Potok with his ability to insult the opposition without disproving anything they say?

  • BD

    Kern’s son is gay.
    Like Phyllis Schafly disowning her gay son, there is information Kern has rejected him.

    It doesn’t make her immaturity and indiscretion as a leader or her demonizing other Americans okay, but it does give some context to her bizarre embrace of discredited hate theories.

  • Brian Bottorff

    Check out this AMAZING letter to Ms. Kern:
    A letter to Sally Kern from a senior in high school in Oklahoma.

    Today my nephew attempted to deliver a letter to Sally Kern but was stopped by a highway patrol man. With his permission I am distributing the letter to all news stations and thought I would include it here.

    Maybe we can all stand to learn a listen from this smart, loving, young man. He more than most has reason to hate. He lost his mother, my sister, in the Murrah Building bombing.

    ( by way page 112 of the News9 Comment Section at… )

    (The letter is below the fold.)

    Dagon :: Letter From Tucker
    Rep Kern:
    On April 19, 1995, in Oklahoma City a terrorist detonated a bomb that killed my mother and 167 others. 19 children died that day. Had I not had the chicken pox that day, the body count would’ve likely have included one more. Over 800 other Oklahomans were injured that day and many of those still suffer through their permanent wounds.

    That terrorist was neither a homosexual or was he involved in Islam. He was an extremist Christian forcing his views through a body count. He held his beliefs and made those who didn’t live up to them pay with their lives.

    As you were not a resident of Oklahoma on that day, it could be explained why you so carelessly chose words saying that the homosexual agenda is worst than terrorism. I can most certainly tell you through my own experience that is not true. I am sure there are many people in your voting district that laid a loved one to death after the terrorist attack on Oklahoma City. I kind of doubt you’ll find one of them that will agree with you.

    I was five years old when my mother died. I remember what a beautiful, wise, and remarkable woman she was. I miss her. Your harsh words and misguided beliefs brought me to tears, because you told me that my mother’s killer was a better person than a group of people that are seeking safety and tolerance for themselves.

    As someone left motherless and victimized by terrorists, I say to you very clearly you are absolutely wrong.

    You represent a district in Oklahoma City and you very coldly express a lack of love, sympathy or understanding for what they’ve been through. Can I ask if you might have chosen wiser words were you a real Oklahoman that was here to share the suffering with Oklahoma City? Might your heart be a bit less cold had you been around to see the small bodies of children being pulled out of rubble and carried away by weeping firemen?

    I’ve spent 12 years in Oklahoma public schools and never once have I had anyone try to force a gay agenda on me. I have seen, however, many gay students beat up and there’s never a day in school that has went by when I haven’t heard the word **** slung at someone. I’ve been called gay slurs many times and they hurt and I am not even gay so I can just imagine how a real gay person feels. You were a school teacher and you have seen those things too. How could you care so little about the suffering of some of your students?

    Let me tell you the result of your words in my school. Every openly gay and suspected gay in the school were having to walk together Monday for protection. They looked scared. They’ve already experienced enough hate and now your words gave other students even more motivation to sneer at them and call them names. Afterall, you are a teacher and a lawmaker, many young people have taken your words to heart. That happens when you assume a role of responsibility in your community. I seriously think before this week ends that some kids here will be going home bruised and bloody because of what you said.

    I wish you could’ve met my mom. Maybe she could’ve guided you in how a real Christian should be acting and speaking.

    I have not had a mother for nearly 13 years now and wonder if there were fewer people like you around, people with more love and tolerance in their hearts instead of strife, if my mom would be here to watch me graduate from high school this spring. Now she won’t be there. So I’ll be packing my things and leaving Oklahoma to go to college elsewhere and one day be a writer and I have no intentions to ever return here. I have no doubt that people like you will incite crazy people to build more bombs and kill more people again. I don’t want to be here for that. I just can’t go through that again.

    You may just see me as a kid, but let me try to teach you something. The old saying is sticks and stones will break your bones, but words will never hurt you. Well, your words hurt me. Your words disrespected the memory of my mom. Your words can cause others to pick up sticks and stones and hurt others.



  • IludiumPhosdex

    Ironically, The Great Passion Play in Eureka Springs is a popular stop on cheap motorcoach tours to Branson, MO and its Muzikschaukultur of idealised (and yet subtly discreet) conservative propaganda which columnist Cal Thomas once described rather fawningly as “nutritious patriotism.”

    A “nutritious patriotism,” methinks, as deserves some thorough enquiry into whether right-wing propaganda messages are subtly creeping into the context of many of the more popular “music shows” along 76 Country Boulevard and Shepherd of the Hills Expressway, where many of the shows are located.

    As if die Bransoner Muzikschaukultur wasn’t good enough an attraction for “right-thinking American families” (read: poor, undereducated and easily-influenced specimens of “white trash”), Scriptures for America, a pseudreligious “ministry” identified with the false doctrine of Christian Identity, has held a series of encampments on the Memorial Day Long Weekend outside Branson for several years.

  • unlucky 13

    They have a big Christian “Passion Play” in Eureka Springs.They have a big,huge statue of Jesus Christ donated by a very important Nazi leader from America’s past in Eureka Springs.They have a church made of glas in Eureka Springs.They have a museum full of Civil War era items and a gift shop full of old stuff,including a metal sign featuring a black kid with wild hair eating a watermelon.They got all kind of religious natured stuff all over the town and a lot of churches.There is a civil war battle field site not far away and some scary caves.I guess i missed the “Gay Parade”.Shucks i guess I was there on the wrong day.Rats!

  • Jay Sievers

    Congratulations to Sally Kern for her outstanding courage, both to speak her mind on the issues and to steadfastly defend them in the face of the genuinely hate-filled mass media. The “gay syndicate” is extremely powerful in the media and has obviously duped SPLC into supporting their brutal cultural revolution. I think I will send her a personal message of gratitude later on.

  • Mike

    According to her website, she’s a social studies teacher with an emphasis on government.