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What’s in a Name? The Defamation of the National Council of La Raza

By Heidi Beirich on June 10, 2008 - 9:43 am, Posted in Anti-Immigrant, Media Extremism

In a recent posting to National Review Online, long-time columnist John Derbyshire (right) attacked the nation’s largest Latino civil rights organization, the National Council of La Raza (NCLR), for the last two words in its name, which Derbyshire translated as “The Race.” With that, Derbyshire joined thousands of other Americans who use the organization’s name to claim — entirely without foundation — that NCLR is a race-based, supremacist organization.

Said Derbyshire: “The idea, as I had it explained to me, is that by blending the European race with the Mesoamerican, Mexico has brought forth a new race, the mestizo or bronze race, which is claimed to be superior to both the contributing races, I suppose by dint of hybrid vigor. This bronze über-race is ‘La Raza.’”

Next time, Derbyshire — who has described himself as a “racist,” albeit a “mild and tolerant” one — might want to consult a dictionary, or perhaps a linguist, before he goes public with his proposed translations of the Spanish language. If he had, he’d have learned that “La Raza,” in the context of the organization’s name, doesn’t mean “The Race” at all. In fact, the term is much more commonly translated as “the people” or “the community” and it is intended to be inclusive, encompassing the blending of European, African, and indigenous peoples in the Americas.

Derbyshire might even have paid a visit to NCLR’s website, which includes a nuanced explanation of the term: “While it is true that one meaning ‘raza’ in Spanish is indeed ‘race,’ in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. Translating our name as ‘the race’ is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. ‘Hispanic’ is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.”

The NCLR site continues: “The term ‘La Raza’ has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as ‘the people,’ or, according to some scholars, ‘the Hispanic people of the New World.’ The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. Mistranslating ‘La Raza’ to mean ‘the race’ implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, ‘La Raza Cósmica,’ meaning the ‘cosmic people,’ was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.”

Had he bothered to check it out — rather than simply grasping for an argument to support his angry nativism — Derbyshire also would have found that the NCLR site clearly condemns ethnic separatist organizations. The group even has repeatedly disavowed certain founding documents of the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicanos de Aztlan (MEChA), a fellow Latino rights organization that is not a racist separatist group but did, more than 40 years ago, publish what NCLR characterizes as “inappropriate rhetoric.” NCLR publicly condemns Voz de Aztlan, a virulently anti-Semitic outfit that has long been listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

But none of this prevented Derbyshire from characterizing NCLR as a hotbed of racism, with “published material [that] shouts an ethic of racial triumphalism.” He argues that NCLR publications belong on the library shelf next to materials from bona fide hate groups like the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations. In employing this kind of propaganda — almost identical to what groups like the Klan falsely claim about organizations such as the multiracial NAACP — Derbyshire sounds similar to many on the radical right. For example, the hate group American Patrol, whose leader Glenn Spencer has spoken at several white supremacist events, regularly refers to the NCLR as the “Race Mob” or the “Tan Klan.” His close friend and fellow racist Barbara Coe — who is a member of the Council of Conservative Citizens, a group that has described blacks as “a retrograde species of humanity” — characterizes NCLR similarly.

It’s not much of a surprise that Derbyshire has taken up against NCLR, given his attachment to organizations like the anti-immigrant hate website VDARE, named after Virginia Dare, said to be the first white child born in the New World (see, for example, here, here and here for 2008 posts). In 2005, Derbyshire took up for the rabid British xenophobe Enoch Powell, who warned in his infamous 1968 “Rivers of Blood” speech that mass immigration would destroy the United Kingdom. Derbyshire also has called those who support multiculturalism “pod people, whose nervous systems have been taken over by alien intelligences.”

In his latest diatribe, Derbyshire rages at the acceptance by the mainstream press and many corporate sponsors of NCLR. “How,” he fumes, “do they get away with it?”

That question might well be directed to Derbyshire, a British native who became a naturalized American citizen in 2002 — after having illegally overstayed his own visa here by nearly five years.

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  • Pedro be nice!

    I used a dictionary, and “la raza” means race, not community. The word “comunidad” means community. And if the Hispanics were smarter and more tolerant, they would change the name to the “National Council of La Comunidad”.

  • Mex-Am Person

    The NCLR claims to represent Hispanics. Well, nobody ever elected them to that position. These opportunists took that upon themselves. They claim to be an advocacy group for Hispanics, but if you look at what they actually do, they actually represent the interests of people who live in the US in violation of US immigration laws. And they specifically focus on representing those who are from Latin American countries with the greatest number of those being from Mexico. I read, write and speak Spanish and participate in Mexican and Mexican-American culture and I never elected NCLR to represent my interests. I don’t see them as any kind of legitimate representatives. To me, they are just middle-class Mexican-Americans trying to create a constituency for themselves for their own personal advancement. That’s why so many of their actions focus on benefits for Mexican citizens living in the US in contravention of US immigration laws. In my opinion, the same can be said about MALDEF (Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund).

  • Julia

    “their AGENDA is race based in supporting only programs to help the ‘latino’ race and their lobbying is to help ONLY the “latino” race in housing…”

    Actually, in 2006, as a part of their homeownership program, the NCLR served 29,000 clients, almost 20% were white, and around 12% were black.

  • Julia

    Raza has multiple meanings, one being race. In the name National Council of La Raza it means community or the people. I’m sorry, but the spanish text books don’t teach you everything. Besides, hispanic is not a race, it’s an ethnicity. It would do you well to check out the NCLR website, look at the percentages of non-hispanics they help out. Comparing the NCLR to the KKK is very offensive. They have not used violence or intimidation to further the interests of any ethnicity. They have not lynched anyone, nor have they committed any violent crimes.
    By the way, the NCLR supports a controlled border, they don’t support an ‘open border.’ They also against unauthorized migration.

  • Chris

    “If white people formed a group called “National Council of the Anglo” they would be denounced as a white supremacist group IN A HEARTBEAT. If they went so far as to promote housing and education for whites only how far do you think they would get before they were harrassed daily by groups like the SPLC and the ACLU? So why is it ok to have the same kind of group which are race based. ”

    As a white person, I do not need a group dedicated to my race. My race and culture is reflected in every single aspect of American society–business, the media, politics, etc. The purpose of most race-based groups for minorities is to achieve equality. The only purpose for a group dedicated to the white race would be maintaining dominance.

  • Todd Hammond

    “I don’t think that word means what you think it means”
    – Don Montoya

    “When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more or less”
    – Humpty Dumpty

  • Mike

    Comparing NCLR to the KKK is like comparing a human to a grain of dirt. How many Blacks, Whites, Asians, etc have NCLR killed and lynched? The KKK and all these little White supremacists groups have killed and lynched far too many to count. While NCLR doesn’t mention hatred towards any other ethnic group, the KKK and websites like declare war and death on Blacks, Hispanics and anyone who isn’t White with blue eyes. The NCLR has been sround since the 60’s and people are now barely coming out and all of a sudden find it “racists”. How come nobody found it racist 10 or 20 years ago?

  • nichomoy

    And to ask a general question to all those shrilly proclaiming La Raza as a Racist hate group: Have you actually looked at La Raza’s web site and read what the those within the group have to say, or are you simply getting your talking points from G. Gordon Liddy, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Micheal Savage and Lou Dobbs?

  • nichomoy

    Big words that fail to address any of the argument put forth. That may qualify as a rebuttal in Rush Limbaugh Land but not here. Simply trying to ‘shout’ me down doesn’t qualify as an intelligent response.

    I am not an apologist for those nuts who preach the return of Aztlan but I am not so ignorant as to lump those nuts in with every Hispanic Group. If I were to subscribe to what seems to be your way of thinking I would label every White guy I come across as terrorists because Timothy McVeigh was White…but that would be a profoundly stupid generalization to make.

    If you would like to address the arguments I have put forth by all means let’s see them. If you make valid points I will be happy to acknowledge them. However, of you insist on hiding behind big words that do not even remotely address the arguments I will simply assume that you are unable to address them and seek to find some one who is able.

  • Flaxen-headed Strumpet

    The disappointing “child of a diplomat” is married to a Cental American and living in the US as an ATA translator and linguist. All of this psycho-socioanthropololinguistic babble and double-speak about La Raza and the perils of transliterations and regional dialect variations of Castillian Spanish is a large load of backpedaling prevarications. Más vale que se dejen de joder todos con eso y que busquen otro argumento si es que exista uno con un grano de credibilidad.

  • nichomoy

    Wow! I am absolutely amazed by the lack of intelligent discourse by many in this blog. It would seem most of you have made-up your mind before you read anything.

    First, let’s, for argument’s sake, say La Raza should be translated literally. Given that there is no such thing as the Hispanic Race that term would be non-sensical in the context, as many seem to want to take it, of a Racial group trying to push its racist agenda on the U.S. What race are you referring to? Perhaps the predominantly racially black Hispanics of the Caribbean? Maybe the Racial Mutts (of which I am one and Damn proud to be a Mutt) of Mexico? What about the heavily ‘Indian’ Hispanics of Central America or maybe many of the racially Asian Hispanics of the Andes? Which race are you so afraid of? That is a rhetorical question as I already know the answer, all of them not yours.

    For those of you seem to cite the Spanish words of gente and pueblo as meaning the community or the people. This is only partially accurate as it fails to take into account the fact that the Spanish spoken in this Hemisphere is separated into many dialects each being influenced by many other languages which are incorporated into the base language of Spanish. To simply state ‘it means the Race’ is both inaccurate and intellectually lazy. That would be like equating real English, spoken in Britain, with the American dialect of English spoken in the U.S. They are not identical and to say so is lazy or incompetent. One can’t move from one region of the U.S. to another and hear the same English being spoken. Never-mind moving among nations.

    I am particularly disappointed in the child of the Diplomat. Perhaps he should have left the Embassy and the American Schools which happened to be located in Latin America.

  • Daddy Love

    (a) It is absolutely correct that one should not expect to accurately interpret the meaning of words or phrases from Language A in terms of the literal meaning of the translated words in Language B.
    (b) The truth of (a) will make no difference to the wingnuts in here.

    That is one filthy mouthed “child of a diplomat.” Must have been a Republican appointee. Am I right or am I right?

  • Flaxen-headed Strumpet

    ” Keep trying to spin a language nuance you are not familiar with. Insisting on the literal meaning isn’t getting you anywhere.”–Geez Louise

    I resent that. I am as English-Spanish bilingual as a career U.S. diplomat’s child educated in Latin America. Me cago en la puta madre que te parió.

  • Geez Louise

    Awww…looks like some people in here are upset that their little fringe groups don’t have any clout since they are comprised of some of the most ignorant, prejudiced, embarassments to our country. Meanwhile, the National Council of La Raza is a mainstream civil rights group that is accepted as being an organization advocating a traditionally underrepresented minority group. Even Obama spoke to them…not the minuteboys. Keep trying to spin a language nuance you are not familiar with. Insisting on the literal meaning isn’t getting you anywhere.

  • Uncle Sam

    National Council of The race aka NCLR is a racsit group that supports open borders with Mexico and uses the Rainbow colition and NAACP . Wake up America ! This seperastist group wants everything in the country bilingual and not in African Languages,French or Arabic. They also get more donations from Major Anti-American Companies like COKE, GE, State Farm !

  • Flaxen-headed Strumpet

    “Para La Raza todo, fuera de La Raza, nada.” That, damas y caballeros is boilerplate letterhead picket sign language straight from La Raza’s archives. It has been filmed being run up and down the streets (on banners and signs) of most major U.S. cities in demonstrations conducted by Hispanic/Chicano rights activists for years. Likewise, it has been recorded ad nauseum being shouted from the podium microphones at the end of the marches. It means: “For The Race everything, outside The Race, nothing.” And that, ladies and gentlemen, says it all and no amount of feckless dissembling attempts on the part of Hispanic apologist word distorters, cultural anthropologists, and history revisionists will change that.

  • Edgar

    The word for community in Spanish is “Comunidad”, the word for people is “gente” or “pueblo”. The word for race is “Raza”.
    Words have meaning and the NCLR is a racist group that promotes the illegal immigration of one group, just because the NCLR supports people of their own race.

  • Lucy B

    Reading the posts I am amazed at the number of very ignorant comments, particularly from so-called conservatives, with regards to the term La Raza.

    It is true that the literal translation of La Raza would be The Race, but in this particular context that is not necessarily means, as anyone aware of the nuances of language can understand. Raza in this context cannot be translated as — meaning physical traits such as color of skin — but refers to the history and culture of Hispanic America, that which resulted from the mixture of Spanish European and native people. October 12th which is celebrated as Columbus Day in this country, is commemorated as El Dia de La Raza in Mexico and other Latin American countries. It would be absurd to think of this as a “the day of the race” as “race” is interpreted in English. Raza in this case refers to the historical encounter of European an indigenous people after the arrival of Columbus and the Spanish in the Americas. That date, which was also celebrated as El Dia de la Raza in Spain, has been changed to El Dia de la Hispanidad (Hispanic Day). In more recent years, that historical date is also used by some to commemorate a day of resistance and appreciation of native culture. But “raza” in this context often refers not to race , but to being Hispanic of Latin-American heritage… regardless of race. This is important, since Hispanic or Latino is not really a term that describes one particular race (as in white, black or brown), but one that encompasses people of various colors and backgrounds united by the same language and a historical connection to Spain. This is also why the term Hispanic or the term La Raza do not apply to people from the largest country in Latin-America, Brazil.

  • Tammy


    Isn’t it funny how the Southern Poverty Law Center
    never condemns people that support La Raza
    as a HATE GROUP?

    Members of the Latino race attacked a peaceful group
    of protesters in Baldwin Park a few years ago and a person in the Latino group
    tossed a full water bottle into a pro-American crowd
    (of all Nationalities) and nearly killed an elderly American woman.
    Forget that there were children among that crowd.

    And why hasn’t the SPLC ever called these people
    that initiated the violence a HATE GROUP?
    They were an anti-American Hate group!

    SPLC are hypocrites!

  • Anna

    Just a suggestion:

    Go back to the original source of the term, read the
    Cosmic Race by Vasconcelos for yourself, the book is both in Spanish and in English. Moreover you will find these comments by Vasconcelos himself; I wonder if the NCLR and those who state that scholars and experts, interpret La Raza to mean “the community” actually think they can pull the wool over everyones eyes:

    In the Cosmic Race Vasconcelos own words, same in the book written in 1925, in Spanish, check it out: “In this way, in a very few generations, monstrosities will disappear….the lower types of the species will be absorped by the superior type. In this manner, for example, the Black would be redeemed, and step by step, by voluntary extinction, the uglier stocks will give way to the more handsome.” pg. 32, “…and in a few years of aesthetic eugenics, the Black may disappear, together with the types that a free instinct of beauty may go on signaling as fundamentally recessive and undeserving, for that reason, of perpetuation.” pg. 32 “North Americans have held very firmly to their resolution to maintain a pure stock, the reason being that they are faced with the Blacks, who are like the opposite pole, like the anthesis fo the elements to be mixed. In the Ibero American world, the problemdoes not present itself in such crude terms. We have very few blacks, and a largepart of them is already becoming a mulatto population.” pg. 26 The Cosmic Race Vasconcelos himself called La Raza a race, “They will be absorped in the avalanche of all the other races, and finally, deposing their pride (refering to whites) they will combine with the rest to make the new racial syntheisisthe fifth race of the future.” pag 24 His works
    speak for themselves, check out the book, if you speak
    both Spanish and English compare context:

    My suggestion, go to the original source, groups tend
    to utilize interpretations that support their own interpretation; read what Vasconcelos said himself and
    come to your conclusion, not a conclusion based on secondary data, also not all people from Mexico, or
    countries in Central and South America consider themselves ‘Hispanic” for some the term is offensive.

  • Flaxen-headed Strumpet

    I am amazed at the “diverse” level of discouse permitted at a site such as Morris Dees’ SPLC. As the majority of posters has noted, the proper Spanish etymology of the the term “La Raza” ONLY carries a genetic connotation.
    Colombus Day (which North American Afro history re-writers and Ward Churchill viruently denounce as a raciss honky construct holiday) is denoted as Dia de La Raza throughout Latin America ( Day of The Race) The Italian global circumnavigator is thus not honored for his tenacity and belief in the round earth theory. Honor is thus bestowed on the children of raping and maurauding Galician pirates and primitive Indian women.

  • Jon Pryor

    Aprenda a hablar español usted se mofa de! … La raza translates to “The Race”. Yes… that’s the literal translation. I honestly don’t care what “their” translation is. They can label it however they wish in order to pander to clueless, shamed PC honkeys. Perhaps the readers you are contibuting to aren’t intelligent enough to do their own research… but finding out that single bit of information took all of 20 seconds on the Intardweb.

  • Charles

    I cannot count the times that I have heard Latinos refer to anyone with white skin as “anglos”. I am of Irish descent, and therefore, I am highly offended whene I am referred to as “anglo’. I do believe my ancestors tried to retain the gaelic language as the national tongue in Ireland and were savagely treated for their efforts from Oliver Cromwell’s selling of nealry 1/2 the Irish populace into slavery to the starvation in the late `1840s while Lord John Russell and others exported enough foodstuffs from Ireland to feed the people several times over thence to the reign of terror of the Black and Tans and nowadays to Pat & Mike jokes on the BBC. What would one expect from Mr. Derbyshire given that he comes from the most bigoted island on the planet ? If anyone could see that American history classes would teach the whole truth about the relationships among Anglo Saxons, Celtic peoples and the settling of America I’d be ever so grateful. We need to heal the old sores by restoring respect for and awareness of the plights of many immigrants of the past as wellas healing and preventing new sores for both new immigrants and the people they encounter in their new homeland. Go raibh maith agat !

  • Edgar

    I live in Mexico for 30 years and the direct and indirect meaning of “people” was “pueblo” or “gente”. Never in my life were the two previous words synonimous with “raza”.
    Never did I hear the word “raza” to mean “people”.
    If I did, it was intended to mean “people from OUR race”.

    So you see Loren, we all are right. Raza does mean people, as in people from one particular race. The so brown race.

  • Isaac

    even on a liberal website conservatives win

    conservative comments 11
    liberal comments 1

  • loren

    Molly, when you are translating idiomatic expressions, you do not look in the dictionary and translate word for word as you did. If I told you to “go fly a kite” would I expect you to go fly a kite? No, because a literal translation does not give the actually meaning. Perhpaps you need to look at another dictionary. Mine includes “la raza” and its meaning as “the people”. That said, I think you are probably someone who has made up her mind despite the facts.

  • molly mathers

    It’s hilarious that the author chooses to display her ignorance with this passage: “Derbyshire .. might want to consult a dictionary..” because if you look up “la raza” its definition is indeed race, or breed. The author in fact does not marshal any actual evidence other than the assertions in La Raza’s own website PR copy, which are uncritically accepted as fact. Unbelievable.

  • Zorro

    Let’s talk a little about the DEFAMATION of the word MINUTEMAN too shall we?

    From this link:

    Minutemen were a small hand-picked elite force which were required to be highly mobile and able to assemble quickly. Minutemen were selected from militia muster rolls by their commanding officers. Typically 25 years of age or younger, they were chosen for their enthusiasm, reliability, and physical strength. Usually about one quarter of the militia served as Minutemen, performing additional duties as such. The Minutemen were the first armed militia to arrive or await a battle.

    Thus, although lacking central command, the Minutemen were still better organized and battle-tested than any other part-time military. They were a vital and necessary force, playing a crucial role in not only the Revolutionary War, but in earlier conflicts. Without these “ready in a minute” men, our history may have been written in a very different way.


    The modern term Minuteman, contrary to what SPLC would like everyone to believe, is akin to Patriot or one who wishes to defend their country against foreign invaders and stands ready to die in so doing. This is a loyal and dedicated group and if the SPLC were truly in support of America, they would not attack Minutemen and DEFAME them.

  • Zorro

    Just type “La Raza” into any Spanish to English phrase translator on the web and see what you get. You don’t get “the people” you get “the RACE” raza=race gente=people

    NCLR is not overt in its racism. You will not find overt racist remarks on their web site… but their AGENDA is race based in supporting only programs to help the “latino” race and their lobbying is to help ONLY the “latino” race in housing or in allowing more illegal immigration and fighting border security. They want to “normalize” all illegal aliens who are here and most of those happen to be “raza” or Hispanic.

    If white people formed a group called “National Council of the Anglo” they would be denounced as a white supremacist group IN A HEARTBEAT. If they went so far as to promote housing and education for whites only how far do you think they would get before they were harrassed daily by groups like the SPLC and the ACLU? So why is it ok to have the same kind of group which are race based.

    THIS is the crux of discrimination. What is good for LA RAZA and NAACP is good for the Anglos too.

    I’d like to see a white or asian or black person apply for one of those “Raza Development Fund” housing loans and see what happens…. lmao That is what the FAIR HOUSING ACT is about.. but I will bet it’s AOK to discriminate against whitey in housing but not the other way around…

  • jorae

    For your info. “La Raza “does mean “The Race” and all they are trying to do is breed a new generation of “victims”poor me mentality….another KKK-Neo Nazi group to take over the United States. If we don’t stop this NOW-our world will be even more screwed up!!!!!!!!!

  • Dave

    Do these La Raza goons really think people are so stupid as to fall for this nonsense? Anyone with a modicum of common sense can see who they are, what they are and exactly what they are up to. Oops! I expressed an opinion other than the accepted La Raza viewpoint! Quick, call out the hate speach police!! What a joke…

  • 88`s Jeno-side

    There is nothing more virulent and racist-ugly as many of those White Supremacists/Natavists organizations nationwide including but not limited to Canada and the U.K.

    I am a Non-Hispanic and none of the NCLR members have spewed racists remarks at me or any of my comrades or warriors (and LONE WOLVES too) anymore than the Natavists and White Supremacists.

    I clicked on their website(NCLR) and found absolutely nothing racists about it and when I compare them with hate sites like VNN or There–I see tremedous amounts of retarded epithets and blasphemous ignorance, which is very prevalent in these types of sites.(but remember folks, sites like VNN is full of gaydos and homos and pedo-saxons) Ignorance also means the lack of Knowledge in specific areas that are sensitive to people. And NCLR as far as I know doesn’t promote racism and hatred as does many of these insideous hate-sites such as the VNN or or the NSM has so well promoted. And therefore, these White Extremists and Neo-Conservatarded sites must be destroyed….

    Hence, someone must question John Derbyshire`s ill-gotten renarks that the NCLR are indeed a “racist” organization. If a prominent council member were to debate Derbyshire on this issue, that council member`s chances of making Derbyshire look like a friggin know nothing half-witted idiot as he already is(based on his comments above), is nearly a cake walk for the NCLR to prove Mr. Derbyshire is dead wrong about NCLR.
    In my opinion, I think that nutjob reads too much propaganda. And should start doing some real research.

    2 thumbs down to “HH” aka 88.

  • Edgar

    “Raza” is an ancient slang word used in Mexico to refer to people of indigenous race. “Raza” was the word used to define them, since, in Mexico, the vast mayority of peasants are from the same race. The National Council of la Raza is a racist group because it always focuses on the supremacy of the indigenous race. Just like other racists groups, the promote the opresion of a favored race in order to manipulate public policy.

    Lets not kid ourselves people. The word for people in Spanish is “gente” or “pueblo”. The word “Raza” was chosen for a reason. It is the word used to define race-class of people. Obviously it is those that have indigenous race.

  • Hugh

    “LaRaza doesn’t mean the race it just means community. Of course it means the Hispaninc community but pay that no mind.”

    But “Hispanic” is not a race, it’s an ethnicity comprised of all “races” and any mix in between, so your point is?

  • Ice

    I on the other hand ,want to offend everybody!!!! Until political correct bites the dust.

  • Ernest

    But of course you protect your assets. You’d be out of a job if we could get rid of all of these raced based groups. The SPLC thinks most people are really stupid. LaRaza doesn’t mean the race it just means community. Of course it means the Hispaninc community but pay that no mind.

  • IludiumPhosdex

    Satirist Stan Freberg had a rather effective solution to diffuse the argument on his summer-replacement radio series in 1957: Referring to all foreigners as, in his words, “Swiss–that way, we don’t offend anybody.”