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An Islam-Bashing Bridge Too Far? Not for Pam Geller

By Arthur Goldwag on January 12, 2012 - 3:11 pm, Posted in Anti-Muslim, Extremist Propaganda

Pam Geller, the Muslim-hating propagandist behind the Atlas Shrugs website, is at it again. Even as U.S. officials recoil in horror, the woman whose blog once suggested that President Obama is the “love child” of Malcolm X is celebrating a video that appears to show U.S. soldiers urinating on dead Taliban fighters in Afghanistan.

“CAIR has whipped itself up into an Islamic frenzy because a video surfaced that appears to show US Marines [in] combat gear urinating on several dead jihadis,” Geller’s website said Wednesday, referring to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim advocacy group. “Would anyone have CAIRed if Marines urinated on dead Nazi soldiers during WWII? (Anyone besides CAIR and Nazis, that is)?”

Soldiers will be soldiers and war is hell, but the answer is actually ‘yes.’ Military regulations do not countenance the desecration of enemy corpses. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said he found the soldiers’ apparent behavior “utterly deplorable” and, if true, “inexcusable.” “There should be an investigation and these young people should be punished,” Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war, remarked on “CBS This Morning.” “Allegations of Marines not doing the right thing in regard to dead Taliban insurgents are very serious,” Marine Corps spokesman Lt. Colonel Stewart Upton said, “and if proven, represent a failure to adhere to the high standards expected of American military personnel.”

But Geller is made of tougher stuff. “I love these Marines,” she writes. “Perhaps this is the infidel interpretation of the Islamic ritual of washing and preparing the body for burial.”

Geller’s star has dimmed considerably since Sept. 11, 2010, when she and Dutch Muslim-bashing politician Geerts Wilders headlined at a rally against the so-called Ground Zero Mosque in lower Manhattan. Just as Timothy McVeigh and his co-conspirators set back the antigovernment “Patriot” movement by effectively putting some of its words into practice, Geller, her close ally Robert Spencer and many of their Islamophobic colleagues were deeply embarrassed last summer when the Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik quoted them approvingly in his anti-Islamic manifesto. (Last July, Breivik killed 77 people, most of them teenagers, who he thought were helping promote Muslim immigration.) The sales of her latest book Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance have been lackluster. In October, two hotels, one in Sugarland, Texas and one in Nashville, Tenn., cancelled events at which she was a featured speaker.

Geller, of course, blames jihad, the forces of “political correctness,” and the liberal media for conspiring to silence her. “Truth,” she says, “is the New Hate Speech.”

Or maybe the problem is that her hate speech (and if chortling about the desecration of dead bodies doesn’t qualify, it’s hard to think of what does) so clearly reveals the ugly truth about what she really believes.

  • Youness Istanbul

    Hi people!
    Seeing the catastrophies we are facing each day!it’s time to mend the fences between all religions and ethnic groups!

    that’s something i believe what Jesus,Moses,Mohammed were sent to teach!!!

  • http://www.twitter.com/AronL, Aron

    SAS,

    You raise a good point. But until proven otherwise, I’m going to give the marines the benefit of the doubt that the victims were Talibani.

    Though considering they already desecrated the corpses, who knows?

  • SAS

    Nobody seems to be asking who the dead people being urinated on are. Taliban fighters or ordinary civilians ?

    Similarly overlooked is the question of under what circumstances they were killed. Were they dispatches in combat or murdered in cold blood ?

    The video the urinating marines should only be part of the elicited outrage.

  • Kiwiwriter

    “Yamashita was actually executed for crimes which were committed under someone else’s command. In reality, he was punished for having humiliated the British in Malaysia and Singapore.”

    Quite right, Ruslan, but I think MacArthur really hanged Yamashita for putting up a very firm defense in the Philippines.

    Anyway, my point was that the US goes to great lengths to hang those foreign war criminals who offend the United States, even when they’re probably innocent, so it should not look the other way when US troops commit atrocities.

    Anyway, I do enjoy reading your posts.

  • Mitch Beales

    Rockpile you may want to get some help to get that chip off your shoulder. I haven’t walked in your boots but you appear to be experiencing inappropriate anger that may be related to combat stress. I’m sure you write very well when your emotions are under control.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    You know Rockpile almost sounds like a real-life incarnation of Col. Nathan Jessup of A Few Good Men. FUN FACT: Jack Nicholson gave the entire “You can’t handle the truth” speech in ONE take.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AronL, Aron

    Rockpile,

    That’s all well and good. But there’s still no excuse for desecration of an enemy corpse.

    None.

    Do you think what the Japanese did to American and Allied troops was ok during the Pacific War? What about when those Blackwater mercs were strung up over that Baghdad bridge in ’03?

    What about Mogadishu in 1993? Was the ‘Blackhawk Down’ incident acceptable from the standpoint of the Somalis? Because what these Marines did in Afganistan is NO DIFFERENT.

    I don’t care that you’re sick and tired of hearing us civilians complain about your attitude. As has been said so many, many times before, freedom of speech does not entail freedom from criticism.

  • Rockpile68

    The Marine Corps will discipline those Marines who did violate the UCMJ (where did I say they did not?). Yes the Marine Corps Serves under the direction of the Secretary of Defense and the President of the United States (period), not the congress! I am a retired Marine Corps Officer and I am sick and tired of “I have a friend who is a Marine….” yeah well my best friend is _____ (fill in the blank)! Don’t talk about my boots until you’ve walked in them. As for my writing, I also possess a Ph.D. in history from Notre Dame, so others think I write rather well.

  • Mitch Beales

    Rockpile68 luckily the US Constitution places civilians in control of the military and assures us of the freedom to speak even if we “know nothing of which speak” and to make remarks even if you think they are idiotic. Fortunately some Marines who served in combat are a bit more articulate than yourself and, as in the book I mentioned in my comment at the beginning of this thread, can help the civilians who may need to judge those “knuckleheads” to temper their condemnation of awful behavior by troops that have been sent into awful situations.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AronL, Aron

    Rockpile68,

    The USCMJ doesn’t distinguish between combat troops and non-combat troops when it comes to the desecration of a corpse.

    While I have never experienced combat, and Bob-willing, I will never have to, I am an military historian. And I have many friends who HAVE seen combat, many of them proud Leathernecks (like I would imagine you to be). To a man, every single one of them has expressed disgust at this event.

    There is simply NO excuse for this wanton desecration of an enemy’s corpse.

    Spin this however you wish. I await your response.

  • Rockpile68

    For anybody who has a modicum of sense, only those who have served in the Marine Corps and in combat are in the position to judge those knuckleheads who did the urinating. Their time is coming and for all those of you who never served in the Marine Corps, let alone in combat, please keep your idiotic remarks to yourselves for you know nothing of which you speak!

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Are you trying to start a pissing contest, Beales?

  • Mitch Beales

    Ruslan are you suggesting that US marines wouldn’t be able to propel a stream of urine halfway around the world? Only a “Turco-Mongoloid Stalinist” would dare suggest anything so unpatriotic.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “Would anyone have CAIRed if Marines urinated on dead Nazi soldiers during WWII? (Anyone besides CAIR and Nazis, that is)?”

    Actually that would be quite a feat seeing as how Marines had virtually no part in the European theater of war.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Yamashita was actually executed for crimes which were committed under someone else’s command. In reality, he was punished for having humiliated the British in Malaysia and Singapore.

  • Linnea

    Thanks for the chuckle, guys! It’s helping me stay awake as I transition to night shift.

    Now, if this had been, say, Muslim soldiers from Saudi Arabia urinating on the body of one of our dead soldiers, of course the outcry would have been immediate. What Geller doesn’t get, and never will, is that a human being is a human being, no matter what side of a conflict they’re on. This is why so many countries have signed on to the Geneva Convention, among other things.

  • Paul Rain

    @Kiwiwriter: What a joke. Yamashita and Dostler were executed for war crimes against soldiers and civilians who were complying with the rules of war. The lovely Pashtun chaps we’re fighting don’t comply with the rules of war, and in this case were dead. No war crime there.

    A better analogy would be ‘Black Jack’ Pershing’s wars in backwards countries. He was made General of the Armies for his sins.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AronL, Aron

    Mitch and Jonas, very well done. Though I must say when push comes to shove, unless a ghost is using satin, I don’t really feel they’re worth dealing with.

  • Ithink

    I swear on my unmarked grave this Buffy the Vampire Slayer moon creature in Ann Coulter in darker, Jewish garb (if you can believe it, Pam and Ann ‘Jews-are-in-need-of-Perfection’ Coultergeist are ‘really good friends’, not too much of a stretch to believe).

    I know we’re all a little hypocritical regarding that ‘Golden Rule, turning the other cheek, and letting the Lord’s vengeance be his’, but there is absolutely NOTHING right or justified about what these marines did, period. 9/11 was a horrific tragedy, and the Islamic radicals who commited and planned it deserve an eternal reservation in Hell, but this sick, twisted treatment of war captives, innocent or otherwise, is morbid beyond comprehension.

    No wonder the world (i.e. everyone not living and born America) rejoiced the night of Obama’s election and the exit of Baby Bush; if they hate us because of the ‘Ugly American’ stereotype that things like this project in their worldview, than I say to damn right for feeling that way.

  • Reynardine

    Cheesecloth ghosts are better.

  • Reader

    Glad you are continuing to monitor Pamela and her cohort of maniacs. I live in an urban area which is 10-30% muslim (depends on where you draw boundaries) and I worry about hate promoters like her whipping up the good ole boys to do something really stupid and start a “hit and payback” routine that continues into the next generation.

    I’m old enough to look at the tension in the country and know that we have to stabilize things or our grandchildren will be fighting each other in the streets in America.

    The hate has to stop.

  • Jonas Rand

    “What those Leathernecks did betrayed the honor of the Corpse.”

    There, FTFY.

  • Mitch Beales

    Personally I prefer linen ghosts.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AronL Aron

    Muslin ghosts are the worst kind. The fabric is SO much rougher than the cotton used for bedsheet ghosts. LOL

  • Rahadyan

    Not all that long ago that Germans, Italians, Japanese, Russians, etc., numbered among America’s enemies. If we wouldn’t have tolerated such desecration against any of the peoples who would now be our neighbors, friends and even family, we shouldn’t tolerate this.

  • Concerned Citizen

    I think descecretint any human dead is unacceptable behavior. Those resposible for this dastardly should be careful, knowing could be haunted by a bunch of Muslin ghosts>

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Geller will never have to fight in a war, so like all conservative cowards, she crows the loudest.

  • Marty

    Completely agree with Mitch..

  • http://www.twitter.com/AronL, Aron

    I’ll bet she would have LOVED it if British Dolores had urinated on Stern Gang members during the Jewish terror campaign against the British Mandate. I mean, Jews and Muslims have rather similar burial rituals, no?

    (Note: I am Jewish. And I am a firm supporter of the State of Israel. However, I am strongly opposed to the recent power-grab by the Haredi minority. Israel was and always should remain a secular, while still culturally Jewish, state.)

    (Further note: I also strongly condemn the actions taken by the Stern Gang and their cohorts during the years leading up to the 1948 Independence.)

  • Reynardine

    I’d point out two things: (1) It would have violated human decency and international law and custom both to desecrate even the body of Adolf Eichmann; (2) Remember, when you teach our young men (in this case, this act could genuinely not have been performed by women) to have this kind of direspect for the foregoing, one day, they’re going to…come home.

  • Kiwiwriter

    We hanged Tomoyuki Yamashita for these kind of acts, and shot Anton Dostler for the same. What those Leathernecks did betrayed the honor of the Corps.

    Pam Geller is merely fanning flames in an effort to get people to pay attention to her. Any publicity is good publicity to these folks.

  • Mitch Beales

    I recently read “What It Is Like to Go to War” by Karl Marlantes who served as the leader of a Marine rifle platoon in Viet Nam. Pam Geller should read this book. Things like this happen in war but they are shameful and the shame will haunt these warriors throughout their lives. When Geller and others push to send troops into a conflict like this and then encourage dehumanization of and lack of respect for their enemies they do a tremendous disservice to our nation and its warriors.