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For the Radical Right, Obama Victory Brings Fury and Fear

By Mark Potok on November 7, 2012 - 10:52 am, Posted in Anti-LGBT, Extremist Propaganda, White Nationalism

When the word came in last night that Barack Obama and the Democrats had won national elections in a decisive victory, millions of Americans went to bed, satisfied that even if their candidate didn’t win, democracy had survived. The results made it clear that this election had in no way been stolen.

But not so at Ole Miss, which last month marked the 50th anniversary of deadly segregationist riots. Shortly after midnight, several hundred mostly white students protested furiously, reportedly yelling anti-black racial slurs and throwing rocks at passing cars. An Obama/Biden campaign sign was burned before campus police broke up the crowd in Oxford. There were apparently no arrests or injuries.

The reaction to the re-election of our first black president from the radical right — and that seemed clearly to include some University of Mississippi students — ranged from sputtering rage and name-calling to calls for a new Southern secession, mass emigration to Europe, or even the break-up of the United States. There was one thing large numbers seemed clearly to agree on: The changing racial demographics of our country, expected to lose its white majority by 2050, was key to the result.

“Welcome to a truly white minority world,” wrote one commenter on Stormfront, the world’s largest white supremacist Web forum, which is run by a former Alabama Klan leader. “The future is now. There is no denying this. The sun has set on humanity’s greatest era: 1500-2000. … [T]he only way to survive this war of annihilation is separatism. … [W]e have to choose regions or states.”

“We have truly fallen under God’s judgment,” wrote another. “You will never see another white man occupy the White House again.” Responded a third: “If you can immigrate to Europe you start making plans. … America will become largely a non-white population that is poverty stricken and all those government programs will soon disappear. It will happen. No more Medicare and no more social security.”

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The loss of a white majority in the United States has helped drive a truly explosive growth of the radical right in the last three years, and that now seems likely to accelerate. Hate groups in recent years have risen to more than 1,000, and the number of antigovernment “Patriot” groups has shot up from just 149 in 2008 to 1,274, according to research by the Southern Poverty Law Center. For months now, groups on the radical right have increasingly fretted about a possible Obama victory. Now that that has occurred, the radical right may grow more dangerous still.

On Stormfront, given this reality, it wasn’t surprising to find talk of violence in the wake of the election. “I live in a liberal area so many of my ‘friends’ are shouting for joy,” lamented one poster at the racist site. “I don’t actually have many real friends and the ones I do have are scared and talking about arming themselves.”

Over at the conspiracist website Infowars, some reactions weren’t that different. “Now is the time to leave this country,” wrote a commenter using the name munglejonkeys. “[T]hey have brought about a communist takeover without firing a single shot. America will resemble Zimbabwe (economically) in a few years and there will be a huge shift in the welfare-dependent knob-slobs who thought that selling their souls for an Obama-phone was such a great deal. … All because white people didn’t oppose political correctness 35 years ago.”

Remarkably, similar sentiments seemed to crop up in what is taken as the political “mainstream.” Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly, fearing an Obama victory, said last night: “The white establishment is now the minority. And the voters, many of them, feel that the economic system is stacked against them and they want stuff.” He added: “The demographics are changing. It’s not a traditional America any more.”

Donald Trump, the billionaire unrepentant “birther,” didn’t mention race. But he tweeted last night that the election was “a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy!” He went on to characterize the Electoral College, which gave the race to Republican George W. Bush in 2000, as a “disaster for democracy.”

The anti-gay right reacted with fury, as well. In a long thread on the passage of same-sex marriage referenda at the antigovernment site Free Republic, commenters were apoplectic — and frightened. “Get ready for God’s wrath,” wrote one. “The people are choosing Satan’s finest.” “Fudgies win again,” wrote another. “Incidents of HIV [to] rise again.” And a third: “America is going to pay for its unbelief and its love of abortion and homosexuals. … And IT DESERVES IT.”

“SICK SICK SICK,” wrote still another. “What a filthy night this election is.”

In fact, as pointed out on CNN’s religion blog, the whole election was a “nightmare scenario” for conservative Christian leaders. Noting the approval of two same-sex marriage referenda, the re-election of a president who supported such marriages, and the rejection of hard-line anti-abortion candidates, CNN said the election results “seemed to mark a dramatic rejection of the Christian right’s agenda.”

“The historic nature of these results are hard to overstate,” Robert P. Jones, a pollster who specializes in politics and religion, told CNN regarding the referenda in Maine and Maryland. “Given the strong support of younger Americans for same-sex marriage, it’s unlikely this issue will reappear as a major national wedge issue.”

Non-Islamic domestic terrorism in the United States shot up in the wake of President Obama’s first election in 2008, spurred by fury over the “socialist” president and the racial change that he represents in the American population. Now, given the reaction from the radical right to last night’s election results, that seems likely to continue — or to get even worse, as racists and right-wing radicals seethe.

Joseph Farah, who runs the conspiracist “news” site WorldNetDaily, sounded typical. “I think things are going to get very tough in America over the next four years,” he said. “I expect more division, more stratification, maybe even the disintegration of the constitutional republic that was the envy of the world for so long. It’s time to hunker down. It’s time to prepare for the worst — economically, militarily, socially, culturally. The revolutionaries have won a major political victory. The America haters are running the country for another four years.

“That is not a pretty prospect.”

“OK, now we have all seen the writing on the wall, AGAIN!” wrote one person in a Stormfront post that seemed to capture the general feeling of helpless rage. “The question is, What are we going to do about it? What is our plan?”

  • Never Give Up

    The saying goes:”Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”…

  • RC

    Most radicals, whether left or right, tend to live in a bubble and never leave their comfort zone for fear that their reality will be challenged and thus required to change. Their dogma is developed at an early age and since they stay in that bubble all their lives, nearly impossible to reach with new ideas. Compare the background of Obama with Mitt Romney and you see a stark contrast between a man who struggled for everything he achieved and a man born of priviledge, power and wealth who never had to earn a thing in his life. So who would anyone expect a struggling middle American would support for president.

  • Reynardine

    To Mr. Bailey, I leave a delicious all-beef hot dog (with cricket genes)

  • Willie

    I watched the 30 -30 on ESPN last week, how they, hoped that the interviewer was using this interview as a stepping stone to better the image of “OLE MISS”. We to say the least – that will not happen, as “OLE MISS” have shown you can’t change that good ole mentality. I worked in Batesville, Mississippi for a year, a few miles from the OLE MISS campus, just off Interstate 55 & HWY 6. I can truthfully say that I did not encounter any massive problems, but did have suttle exchanges – no OLE MISS have not changed very much. There are some that honestly want change, but you also have the “GOOD OLE BOYS” that will never change. There are some good people there, but the radical thread runs very deep for some. As an African American male, there was always that second look from people, as I walked by in my shirt & tie.

  • Reynardine

    Neptune gets a 500 watt light bulb for his brief, pithy, excellent suggestion. As long as it’s not Michele Bachman, Sarah Palin, or anyone of like kidney.

  • Reynardine

    No question about it. Jeb gets the Gold-Painted Propeller Beanie with the Tin Swastinker Propeller on it.

    James gets the Silver-Plated Hammerhead.

    Sam has a Mirrored Sunroom added to his Hall of Mirrors, so he may admire his best-beloved in a more dazzling light.

    I confer the Golden Anvil on our newcomer, Mohawk, for his very creditable first appearance.

    Erika already has her Radiant-Bottomed Peach Orchard, and I confer the Thousand-Watt Bulb on Aron for creating this ingenious award.

    And all the rest of our precious metals, my worthy compañeros, let us again forge into glittering hearts, and send them the way of Brother Joseph, that he may emerge safely from whatever exigencies have beset him. Dearly do we miss him.

    For me, three or four ibuprofen. A wall-mounted hose pipe burst outside my window, and my efforts to stop it have failed; I wielded a machete like an Antllean canecutter to get to the water meter, but the thorns are too fierce to get to the shutoff before daylight.

  • al

    …i’m a 55 year old black male whom hails from the state of Tx.I now live in Al.I’ve been reading a lot of these (arguments)if you will and it seems to me that a lot of the writers are really upset that president Obama won a second term.Now from my recollection when George Bush was elected to a second term the black vote didn’t really matter but you know what we got over it and went on with our lives.I said that to say this,i feel if you can’t accept this then maybe you should move to another country and try putting up with it for 400+ years.Have a nice life.

  • Apache

    The Face of Truth is Now Revealed because racialization was always there. It took the supremacy to loose their make-up and show their hate and true God of Colonialsim, darkness.

    The country was American and now shows the true American ancestory across borders. This is how we defind diversity. Not Whitehood! But Americanization!

  • Tribeca Mike

    What makes them think Europe will take them?

  • Mark Londoner

    As a Brit , listening to these right wing nutters is all very amusing – you sure are real bad losers – but a word of caution . In Britain we have vey strict immigration laws . Anyone outside the E.U just can’t get in , and that includes Americans . Anyway , you would hate it here – we have a National Health Service which gets criticised if its UNDERFUNDED !! We don’t have guns . We have active Trade Unions and , oh yeah , we have lots and lots of black people (& asians , chinese etc ) . You guys would hate it here . Why not go to Canada instead ?

  • Jim

    Fear? Why would I be scared?
    5.2 trillion dollars in new debt and estimated to double in the next 4 years.
    The ObamaCare tax is estimated to cost each tax payer $1,698 more per year.
    46.5 trillion people on food stamps.
    12.8 million unemployed.
    6.3 million more people fell into poverty in the last 4 years.
    The price of gas is up 97% from this time 4 years ago.
    There is a total absence of immigration reform and a contempt for those who enforce immigration laws.
    U.S. Foreign policy is in a complete shambles. Iran on the verge of a nuclear weapon. Israel, our only ally in the area is all but abandoned.
    Benghazi Cover-up: Obama put his political gain before Americans in Benghazi and watched in real time as 4 Americans died.
    Fast & Furious Cover-up: 2 Border Patrol agents are dead and we still don’t know what the hell Obama was thinking there.
    Obama’s ineptness knows no bounds.
    Scared? Hell yes!

  • Tobias A. Weissman

    Oh, what foolishness, Obama wins and the white race is threatened. What should be the attitude is that “Thank God for the USA with it’s Declaration of Independents declaring man’s equality forever so that any race, religious persuasion, could have the right to run for President and win.”

  • Bea

    God chose Obama as the leader of this country…if you have a problem with it, talk to God about it. Fear is NOT of God and shows selfishness.

  • Matthew Bright

    I recall recently Michael Savage being denied a visa to enter the UK, because of the vicious and thoroughly nauseating racist claptrap he’s known for spewing on the radio.

    I can’t think of a single country in Europe (Well, Western Europe, at least) that would even consider giving visas to these mean spirited crackpots. And for them to imagine they could get visas is just more evidence that they’re living in a bubble, kind of like those people in the Romney campaign who were “shell shocked” that Obama won the election.

    Too much Fox News is very bad for the intellect.

  • Diane B

    I continue to be surprised as a biracial person (who looks lilly white but also has black roots) at how we still today identify President Obama as black with little reference to the fact that his mother is 100% caucasian. It reminds me of the “one drop law” that is still on the books in Mississippi. Why to we refuse to call him biracial. I once heard someone ask him why he refers to himself as black, and he said because in Chicago if he is trying to hail a cab, he’s a black man trying to hail that cab. Interesting

  • K. Burchette

    We can pray that right wingers leave the U.S.A. and migrate, S. America or Eastern Europe, anywhere but the free U.S.A.

  • Jeb

    In regards to the term redneck; it is a slur. Rednecks address each other with that term the same way blacks address each other with the n word; to take the power out of it. When a carpetbagger, lefty, or a member of another race uses that term it is a slur meant to demean those folks the term is intended to address. Don’t butter it up. Your hatred for this group is evident in your rebuttal. Nascar.. huh.. isn’t that a generality?

  • Tobias A. Weissman

    After reading the above, I had to stop. It was making my head boil up in anger. I am white with blond hair and such a reflection of the so-called Arian race. Oh, such poppy cock. The winning of a black man, Barack Obama, should be a beakon of joy for all people who believe, or better yet, know, that all men are created equal, IN THE SIGHT OF GOD. I don’t know, but maybe God is rolling into something to think that any creation of his could be predujust against his perfect creation. I can’t believe this, after WW11 that people could be so hateful. This country should vote for the first Jew, Moslem, Woman etc. We are all in the image and likeness of God, not just certain color or religious people. After all these wars, mankind is still backward. Maybe in the next election we should vote for a Dog or Cat. They have more love in them instead of these hateful humans.

  • PG

    The fear is obvious. In their heart and mind, any white person of average intelligence knows the usa systematically and persistently ensured the economic and social and environmental genocide of “minorities”. Since about 1980, when reagan was elected president, the majority in the usa ensured their obstructionist policies applied to all people of color. Now, could it be that being a “minority” and understanding the immediate negative connotation that word has assumed, means knowing the same crap heaped on colored “minorities” may now be heaped on the future white “minority”. Most everyone believes in karma.

  • Suzy Hayes

    Matthew Bailey states there is NO DANGER in GMO’s…????…There most certainly are, if you are a BEE, INSECT or BIRD (they are exceedingly important to HUMAN FOOD PRODUCTION). Do the research Matt. Don’t just give us your lip service and opinion. I am certain you are one of the many, many self proclaimed “superior species” who think humans are separated from BIOLOGY! Go read “Silent Spring”……..back in the day folks like you said DDT was just fine.

  • Leland D. Davis

    A few points – race had very little to do with the reason most Romney voters voted for Romney. Another point – the only place I have heard talk about secession by conservatives because of Obama being reelected is in left wing rags, and here. A third point – racism has very little to do with conservative ideology in the US, except in the minds of fevered leftists. One final point – 48% is losing, but it is not all that far from winning. So stop hating your neighbors who voted Romney, stop hating people for being traditionally religious, and stop inventing silly conspiracies (right wingers want to secede from the Union!) that only exist in your fevered imaginations. Or else you will end up sounding alot like those white supremacists you keep complaining about.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “One problem with moving to Europe, most countries there you are not allowed to own a gun. Only lawbreakers own guns.”

    Yes, and as a result there are fewer lawbreakers because it is far more difficult to get guns and the costs of getting caught with one are far higher.

  • Mark

    well, well, well now. I had been trying to figure out who all those fema camp sights were being built for. Protest and rant your racist hate, buy all the guns you want, wave all the confederate flags you like. However, I dont think you can shoot or strategize as well as the American military, which happens to be of many ethnicities whom have fought and protected cowardess racist hate leeches like you. Stay tuned for when they come to round up you idiot kooks. Its time they made use of those fema camp sites, who’s first. America has been burdened enough by your hate, stiff self righteous and self entitled views. The clean up parties coming. Bye Bye and good ridens!

  • Gregory

    I wonder why our young free thinker, Sam, has not acknowledged any of the responses to his post from yesterday afternoon. Could it be that he has become a hit and run troll?

  • james

    Elisa Mason said,on November 7th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    James, your racism is glaring. Please go home and wash your sheet. I’m sure it is getting dingy from so much use.
    There is no racism here and i have many black friends at work who saw the same threats as i did. when you click on their name on twitter, most people have pictures of themselves on their profiles..
    many of the comments that were captured by also showed many ‘tweets’ that said if Romney got elected they were ready to kill him the next day…
    And as far as the protestors go, everyone is allowed to protest anything they see fit. there is nothing wrong with it and its freedom of speech guaranteed by the first amendment of the US Constitution. protesting does not mean someone is extremist, racist, or anything else like the SPLC wants people to beleive….

  • Reynardine

    Damn! It’s Friday again! Fun times when you’re having flies!

    Hmmm…quite a field this week…

  • Cecil R Brown

    I am a 76 year old black male and I would like to make a simple, short observation on the Ole Miss debacle. The election is over and done. A black man was re-elected to this nation’s highest office, POTUS! this would not have not been possible without Americans of all races and colors, who voted for who they believed, would be the best individual to bring the country back to where the economy needs to be. The majoriity has spoken. The goal is clear. The uninformed have been exposed. Their ignorance, validated.

  • Aron

    Alright Erika, since you pushed the issue, you get the orchard for your state-by-state rebuttal of CSA v1.1. You get a peach PLANTATION filled with robotic slaves and an endless supply of mint juleps for all of your posts combined.


  • Erika

    Aron, thank you and quite creative :)

    although it would be nice if you were more specific – i posted several this morning and i’d like to think that they were all good *smiles again*

  • What???

    When you work in the corporate/ military complex, you would be none to bright to publicly acknowledge you are a liberal. Hence the Name Thing.

    I will go on the record to say that I do not like waxy, flavorless tomatoes, though. And, the best home made Mozzarela comes from Wisconsin.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “There is no way conservatives are going to convince stupid people to vote against their government goodies.”

    What government goodies were offered? What about the corporate welfare, business tax breaks, and farm subsidies which Republicans have consistently supported? Are those not “goodies.”

  • Fred Urbasek

    One problem with moving to Europe, most countries there you are not allowed to own a gun. Only lawbreakers own guns.

  • Reynardine

    In fact, this issue of Puerto Rican statehood was one of those which turned many Mainland Puerto Rican voters against the Republican Party. The latter’s attitude about “icky brown people”, their blocking statehood questions repeatedly, and their general social cruelty and snobbishness were complete turnoffs to voters who were basically the kind of patrotic, hard-working, churchgoing homebodies that had once been the backbone of the Eisenhower Republican electorate.

  • Aron


    I think that was the best post I’ve ever read on this site.

    As a reward, I am sending you an entire peach orchard full of lightbulbs at the bases of the trees. And they have smiley faces with googley eyes.

    An orchard of radiant bottomed, joyful peaches, if you will.

    (How’s that for a confused metaphor?)

  • Reynardine

    Absurdity, I don’t know what the hell your point was supposed to be, but Hitler’s initial ascent to the chancellorship was not the result of an election. It was the result of some blackmail concerning Hindenburg’s son, a conclave of industrialists, junkers, and generals, and manipulations on the part of Schleicher and Papen. Hindenburg conveniently died and the Reichstag conveniently burned, and we know the rest. Schleicher was murdered on the Night of the Long Knives. Papen was slick and unprincipled enough to survive several changes of personnel and a couple of attempts to get rid of him. You know, Papen goes the weasel.

  • aadila

    No one seems to be talking about what happens if Puerto Rico becomes a state.

    Hmm…two new Spanish-speaking Senators, and a number of suntanned Representatives.

    That sounds very troubling for the GOP’s Great White Hope, or uh, Despair.

  • Gregory


    Give it time, there may be some overlap.

  • Erika

    with this many posts here, you’d almost think this was another thread about the whiners in the men’s rights movement.

  • Erika

    For those of you dreaming of a new Confederacy – both ignorant white people dreaming of the South rising again to wallow in permanent backwardness and northerners looking to free yourselves of parasites – i believe that there are some problems that you are missing.

    1) You can count Virginia out – no way that the Commonwealth leaves the source of its low unemployment and relative plenty. Okay, maybe the western part of the state who doesn’t like either Washington nor Richmond any would leave but good riddance – all they do is keep electing right wing wackos to the General Assembly and keeping Virginia’s blue core along I-95 and from Richmond to the ocean from being able to fix its transportation issues. They are almost all white anyway down there so turning southwest Virginia (and maybe adjoining parts of Kentucky, Tennessee, and West Virginia) into a White Supremacist homeland will likely not cause too much disruption.

    2) North Carolina won’t go either – quite simply, Bank of America won’t let them. And neither will Resarch Triangle or the Triad.

    3) South Carolina probably won’t be ready to fire on Fort Sumter again either – quite simply, the Upstate region is getting too much money from being in the US along I-85 and not being Charlotte or Atlanta. Okay, maybe downstate would go – that would be a tragedy since Charleston is very pretty but most likely not. Going to a new White Supremacist Confederacy will turn off the flow of tourist dollars in a hurry. Once its clear that Upstate and Charleston won’t be going anywhere i’m guessing that all of South Carolina isn’t going anywhere.

    3) You think that Atlanta is going to let Georgia go? And even if parts of Georgia wants to leave to join the new Confederacy, it will likely be that large section South of a line from Columbus through Macon to Augusta which is in my opinion is pretty close to being uninhabitable especially in summer. anyway

    4) For Alabama, SEC football is more powerful than racism. Just Alabamans what will happen to the Tide and the Tigers if the Neoconfderates get their dream of an all White haven and the neo-Confederates will be run out of Alabama on a rail. Maybe even tarred and feathered first.

    5) Florida won’t go either – and if it does go, it won’t be a neo-Confederate haven. It will be a Hispanic/Caribbean country.

    6) Texas isn’t going to go to a New-Confederacy either – Texas barely went to the first Confederacy if you actually look at the history. Texas is much too Hispanic to go to become Neo-Confederate and the rich guys in Dallas and Houston aren’t going to want to take responsibility for the border patrol.

    7) Louisiana probably won’t either – quite simply, the tourist trade in New Orleans is too valuable and leaving the U.S, would imperil that (plus, the state isn’t going to want to take responsibility if Katrina’s big sister – or even for one of Katrina’s litter sisters – ever comes around) – okay, maybe the Cajun Part goes and becomes an independent state, but they’d be French and Cajun and not Confederate.

    8) Tennessee probably isn’t going anywhere either – yes, you’d think it might but Nashville has quite a lot of wealth and cultural ties to the rest of the U.S. through the country music industry and a big trade. Memphis is also not going anywhere either. Quite simply, like New Orleans, Memphis and Nashville are too much fun for the rest of the U.S. to give up without a fight. And Memphis and Nashville make too much money from the American tourist trade to give it up without a fight. Maybe eastern Tennessee would go, but they didn’t support the original Confederacy so why would they support a new one? Plus, Oak Ridge and UT are likely sufficiently strong to keep all of Tennessee in the Union.

    9) Arkansas isn’t likely to go either – quite simply, Wal-Mart won’t let them join a Neo-Confederate government because it would be commercial suicide for them.

    So let’s see – that leaves for a possible new Confederacy: Mississippi with additional possible room for a White Supremacist homeland in southern Georgia which no one (least of all the people in northerrn Georgia) will miss anyway. Maybe there will be also a white supremacist homeland in the southern Applachians but i seriously doubt taht anyone would notice the difference with that.

    Okay, even the rest of the South will say don’t let the door hit you on your way out to see southern Georgia and Mississippi leave :)

  • Reynardine

    lMackintosh, I know very little about the recent elections in Spain or what percentage of turnout there was, let alone whether Spain has mandatory voting laws. I believe, however, that the Galician home-rule movement suffered a setback.

  • Gregory

    I realize that this may be a bit late in the thread, but I think the term “landslide” is another instance of the GOP moving the rhetorical goal posts.

    As others have noted, the difference in the popular vote is in the same ballpark as Bush’s 2004 “mandate” and GOP pundits predicted a 325 electoral college “landslide” for Rmoney. Suddenly, those terms don’t apply because Obama won. As they say, IOKIYAR.

    Personally, I think it was a landslide because of the billion or so dollars spent by Karl Rove, et. al. to defeat an incumbent president with bad economic numbers. And they still lost. Even after four years of non-stop racism and out-right lies from the right wing noise machine, they still lost. Now that is a landslide. Ah, sweet schadenfruede…

    Since I am on a rant, I would add my two Kenyan Farthings regarding the goobers who think they can run off to a mythical European white homeland. That place exists only in the imaginations of the window lickers who populate StormFront. No European nation is going to allow you residence simply because you have a white skin and are dissatisfied by the results of the election. Although, I admit, it would be amusing to see the 21st Century version of the Beverly Hillbillies arrive in Germany and request asylum because Ein schwarzer Mann ist Präsident der Vereinigten Staaten.

  • Erika

    On election night, i was reading a book entitled “Great American Billboards” which i picked up sometime for cheap showing the history of outdoor advertising – in this book, one of the billboards they had was from the 1928 President Campaign which sounds very eerily similar to what we heard in the last campaign. It contained a quote from Thomas Alva Edison:

    “The United States government is the biggest business in the world. The proper man to run it is Herbert Hoover”

    Sound familiar? Isn’t it interesting to learn when and where the idea that the American government is like a business and should be run like a business originated? How did that work out for Herbert Hoover?

  • Erika

    Actually Judd, what Romney’s son objected to was people telling the truth about Mitt Romney – even crazy Rick Perry was able to recognize him as being a “vulture capitalist” who got rich off of other people’s misery. If Mitt Romney saw you – and the vast majority of people who voted for him – near his house, he would tell his servants “release the hounds” and be scrambling his private security to hold you until the police arrived.

  • aadila

    Erika regarding liberals not wanting to punish others for their success, this is very true.

    But I do feel after the outright viciousness and attempts to steal the election through voter suppressions and an unending stream of disinformation, I believe it is necessary to radicalize!

    We should give some serious thought to punishing the Republicans. No, not punish. Perhaps _rehabilitate_ is a better word. I propose enforced viewing of 200 hours of Alan Colmes and a 1000 word essay on why Rachel Maddow is a great American.

    Or their taxes go up. That simple.

  • aadila

    Sam, on the name thing I’ve got plenty of books published and many, many more articles under my byline already, not to mention my charity work. I don’t need or want publicity and I’m not here to sell anything.

    I’m here to call attention to social issues that need to be resolved, among them your edification. But if you feel good about seeing your own good name in print, bully for you! No one shall take that from you.

    As for me, I think we should pay more credence to the content of what people are saying than “who they are”, though I bet a lot of the masked radicals here and yon are surprisingly well known.

    Would you think more of their comments if you found out they were household names, or would you think less of them if you found out they were not? If so the issue is really with your identity, not theirs.


    This is what you get from a group who’s list of accomplisments drops off steeply after being born white.

  • aadila

    @Mark Potok,

    While it is gracious not to gloat (well, let’s go ahead and gloat), I think you were spot on in your lede regarding the Obama landslide.

    Dick Morris on the eve of the election beamed ear to ear telling Greta Van Sustren how Romney was going to win a “landslide” with 325 electoral votes. Obama wins by 332 electoral votes and all of a sudden he just squeaked by. Obama absolutely won by a landslide. Even in the popular vote Obama won by a much wider margin than any recent Republican win.

    The popular vote is something of a misnomer in 2012, because so many people did not vote. Every state is showing smaller turnout than 2008. According to Census figures, there are about 208 million eligible voters. Voter turnout this year was of some 118 million, meaning about 90 million people did not vote.

    A number of studies have shown that non-voters are most often under 30 and/or minority voters, compared with frequent or infrequent voters, which is exactly the demographic support base for Obama. A USA-Suffolk University poll showed non-voters in 2012 favored Obama nearly two to one.

    There are many reasons why non-voters opt out, but it is clear that if they were as angry, disillusioned, and miserable with Obama’s policies as the Republicans would have us believe, it is likely that with the carpet bombing of negative campaign ads that the 90 million non voters would go to the polls.

    Since polls show Romney supporters were predominately motivated by desire to ouster Obama, rather than any special love for Romney, it is clear that the message the Romney campaign was broadcasting failed to resonate with the voters. The fact is, as substantiated by both vote and post-vote polls, the American public is not all that unhappy with Obama or the Democrats. Certainly not to the degree exaggerated by the Republicans.

    So, I think it’s safe to say the Romney campaign managed to get most of the anti-Obama vote, but those voters are clearly in the demographic minority by a landslide. And that shows that building a campaign against an incumbent only works if the newcomer has something credible to offer America.

    When will the Republicans learn that negative campaigning simply doesn’t work?

  • Erika

    Sam, i suspect that most of the people who respond to your bleatings about why greed is good are likely much better educated than you are. Would also suspect that we may well make more money than you do.

    People who are highly educated and/or highly skilled are going to make more money than others who aren’t – that is not unfair. Its not unfair that i will my fancy (and expensive) education in college and the professional level make more than someone who dropped out of high school and works at McDonalds. It is unfair if i am as a relatively highly compensated professional is paying a lower or even the same percentage of my income in taxes than the person flipping burgers. And its extremely unfair if someone who is making millions is paying a lower percentage of their income in taxes than someone making $50,000 a year.

    Jesus said “to whom much is given, much is expected” – even if you aren’t a Christian its still a good model for society to expect people who make more money to pay more.

    We don’t object to people with more skills making more money – we object to giving what is essentially a free ride to the rich and wealhty and allowing a permanent aristocracy. Our objection is to having the wealthy be more wealthy than at any point in human history while having the poor and the middle class get constantly poorer. Our objection is to turning society wholesale over to Mammon where the rich and the powerful control everything.

    We object to the rich and the corporate saying “there is no such thing as a free lunch” to everyone else and expecting sacrifise from everyone else as they line up at the through to gouge themselves on handouts. We object not to the government rewarding success but to the government rewarding failure – where the government gives a reward to companies who destroy jobs and privatizes gains and socializes risk. The fact is that the Republicans are the biggest Socialists out there – its just that they socialize risk rather than gains.

    We object to the fact that the rich want to be able to give billions of dollars to their own children who will never have to work at all in their life so their children can live like kings and queens lording over the working serfs and never have to pay a cent EVER in taxes.

    Open your eyes Sam that you may see what is really going on here – liberals are not seeking to punish success and rewarding sloth – it is actually the Republicans who want to reward failure and sloth (but only in the rich) – they are expecting the rich to pay their societal toll like everyone else. The liberals are not looking for a free lunch – they are looking to stop them.

  • Erika

    Everette, where exactly in the Bible do you see that God is down with “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” (by which Thomas Jefferson actually meant “owning property” which for him meant “slaves”)?

    In fact, under the teachings of Jesus to really follow Him you have to be willing to give up your life, liberty, and property/pursuit of personal happiness to follow His will. Under a truly Biblical sense of property there is in fact no individual ownership of property – instead, God just allows you to be a steward of His property because the entire world belongs to God and is merely provided for the use of all living creatures.

    “Life, liberty and the pursuit if happiness” comes from man and not from God.

  • Erika

    A whole lot of things to respond to here – probably too much for one little peach to handle, but anyway i will just hit the high points:

    jeb, you adorable piece of moonshine soaked fruit, if you think that redneck is an offensive derogatory term explain why Jeff “You Might Be a Redneck If” Foxworthy is the most popular comedian in the United States especially in the South. Or try actually going to a NASCAR race to see fake rednecks in action (the fact is that the people who actually go to NASCAR races tend to be high income educated professionals or skilled blue collar workers who actually can actually afford the admission price who as often as not come from the North – they just like to party like rednecks – okay, rednecks who actually have money and don’t have to worry about their job being shipped overseas by a vulture capitalist) or a county fair demolition derby in the South to see the real thing in action. More likely than not you will see multiple people wearing t-shirts proclaiming pride in being a redneck.

    No one considers “redneck” a slur – in fact, if anything offends people it is seeing rich Yankee imposters pretending to be rednecks.