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Famous Seattle Ceramicist Exposed as Holocaust Denier
For decades, iconoclastic Seattle artist Charles Krafft has made references to Nazis in his highly acclaimed, sometimes shocking pieces of art that most critics and art lovers brand as simple, ironic satire pushing the boundaries.
He crafted a ceramic Hitler-bust teapot now in a San Francisco art museum, and put swastikas on other pieces of art, even on a ceramic wedding cake. He made a ceramic Uzi assault rifle, hand grenades and an “assassin’s kit” – a gun and dagger.
Now, the 65-year-old hippie-turned-artist is at the center of a growing controversy following a published report detailing evidence — including his own words — that suggests he is a white nationalist who believes the Holocaust is a myth.
Hundreds of comments about Krafft are being posted on Facebook and Twitter and elsewhere, and the art and culture world — particularly in ceramic art circles — are abuzz over the revelations published in The Stranger, a Seattle alternative paper. The headline on that piece was hard to misunderstand: “Charles Krafft Is a White Nationalist Who Believes the Holocaust Is a Deliberately Exaggerated Myth.”
Beyond E-mail correspondence with Krafft, writer Jen Graves reported that she had found Krafft’s comments on a white nationalist website where he makes repeated anti-Semitic remarks. “I believe the Holocaust is a myth,” Krafft says on a podcast published last July. The article goes on to say that Krafft believes the Holocaust is “being used to promote multiculturalism and globalism.”
Krafft, sounding as if he, too, is surprised by the backlash, didn’t back away from any of that when contacted by Hatewatch.
“Since I’ve admitted to being a Holocaust skeptic and identifying as a WASP on a White Nationalist website, I really can’t claim I was smeared,” Krafft said. “However,” he continued, “I would like to point out that I never tried to dupe liberal art collectors and curators with satire and irony in my art while laughing at them. I came by my controversial opinions on race and WWII history relatively recently.”
In one white nationalist podcast, Krafft says Christianity is being replaced “by this new secular religion of the sacrifice of 6 million Jews. And the museums, memorials, monuments, study centers, Holocaust chairs at the universities — it’s all part of the promotion of a new kind of, like I said, civil religion maybe. … We’re the heretics in a new religion that’s being promoted and built up and being embraced by governments throughout the United States and Europe.”
The Stranger’s piece on Krafft — reposted repeatedly on the Web — has hit particularly hard in the art world.
“When this broke loose, it all did come as a big surprise,” nationally known ceramic art dealer, historian and author Garth Clark, of Santa Fe, N.M., told Hatewatch. Clark has sold Krafft’s art works and spoken with the artist numerous times, but never represented him.
“This was an artist who, in the ceramic world at least, was very well liked and respected,” Clark said. While Krafft’s work always has “had a very dark side to it,” Clark said that the art world had “assumed the dark side was ironic. In fact, everybody made that assumption.” After all, he said, people in the art world are “prepared to deal with pretty raw ideas.”
Michael Upchurch, the art critic for the Seattle Times, said the revelation about Krafft came as a surprise to him and others in the city’s art community. “He’s definitely big time here in the art community, that’s for sure,” the writer said. “I’ve always thought his work was humorous,” the product of a clever artist who tackles horrific subject matters with a fine porcelain medium, he said.
Krafft always has been at the leading edge of provocative art. Clark recalled a series of ceramic art works the Seattle artist did a decade ago, claiming to use human cremains for pieces he called “Spone,” a satirical poke at the 18th-century English ceramics artist Josiah Spode, who used crushed animal bones to produce “bone china.” “Most of us thought that was kind of radical, and deeply, darkly amusing,” Clark recalled.
Using Hitler’s bust to make a ceramic teapot or referring to the Holocaust in art is one thing, Clark said, but actually embracing and promoting white supremacist and Holocaust-denying views is “ridiculous.” Now, some suggest that Krafft’s teapot was a clever way to keep the Nazi leader’s image alive and on public view.
With these new revelations and Krafft’s own words and postings on his Facebook page, Clark said there “doesn’t seem to be much doubt that he is, indeed, a white supremacist and a Holocaust denier. “Being provocative in a way that’s intellectually valid is one thing, but it’s another if the artist is actually being bigoted.”
As the criticism grew this week, Krafft posted a new Facebook photo of a piece of metal sculpture he calls “Fowlschwitz,” a concentration camp for birds – a birdhouse surrounded by barbed wire.
He didn’t talk about that, but he did tell Hatewatch that he believes the Seattle newspaper article wrongly suggested that he was concealing the intent of his art for years and urged collectors and museums to re-examine his work “for subversive content” and then censor or cut off access to the pieces.
“Very, very little of the art I’ve made has had any Nazi symbolism in it,” Krafft claimed. “I’d like to point out to those I speak with about articles accusing me of being a Nazi in sheep’s clothing how dishonest I think this is.
“I would also point out there are differences between Holocaust denial, Holocaust skepticism and Holocaust revisionism, White supremacy and White Nationalism that have been overlooked, or blurred for shock value, and [that blurring has been used] to paint me in the worst light possible,” he told Hatewatch without elaborating on what he sees as the differences.
“My deep research, here and abroad, into 27-year harassment of Archbishop Viorel Trifa, the founder of the Romanian Orthodox Episcopate in America, was instrumental in contributing to the formulation of my reactionary opinions,” he said.
Despite his attempts at explanation, criticism of Krafft is still boiling, with pointed anger directed at him showing up in some Facebook posts.
“I was devastated about the revelation that Krafft was a Nazi sympathizer and anti-Semite,” New York author and blogger Phil Campbell, formerly of Seattle, responded when reached for comment by Hatewatch.
Most of Krafft’s art, Campbell said, “relies on the idea that Krafft as an artist is treating the themes he manipulates — violence, Nazis, the Holocaust among them — with a deft, ironic sense of humor. If he’s sincere (in his personal beliefs), the work itself is corrupted, which is an irony in itself (albeit a twisted one).”
“Conceptual art can be a dicey issue, with so much left open for the audience in terms of the inference of meaning, but this is one of those very specific cases, I think, where the artist’s intent is absolutely crucial to the understanding of the objects made; the artistic intent changes the meaning of the art,” Campbell said. “If Krafft is indeed a Holocaust denier, as he appears to be, then it corrupts the art itself. I simply cannot look at any of his art in the same way again. Only Aryan Brotherhood members are going to want to buy his porcelain hand grenades now.
“I also think this also could be the case of a man well past his prime who is indulging some delusional tendencies that have been there for a very long time, but perhaps weren’t that strong in the beginning,” Campbell continued. “Krafft has always been an iconoclast, but now his iconoclasm is hardening, becoming a deadening ideology. The older he gets, the more his opinions seem to be calcifying, degrading.”
“Since the Stranger piece came out I know of several people who claim that Krafft has intimated all along that he harbors certain sympathies for these anti-Semitic opinions,” the art critic said. “Perhaps. But now Krafft is making his beliefs public, so now there should be no doubt.”
David Barclay Moore, a Brooklyn-based writer, filmmaker and photographer, also was among dozens who took to Twitter to comment on the Krafft controversy. Contacted by Hatewatch, Moore said the revelation may devalue pieces of the artist’s work and make them less powerful.
Krafft’s’ work was ingrained with a sense of creative spirit — “elements of bitter histories into comic ironies,” Moore said. “Now that at least some of his art appears to have originated from a much more literal place, their once perceived brilliance must rinse off in the wash, leaving behind an embarrassingly dull residue of thoughtless intolerance.”
In Washington, D.C., travel and art writer Melanie Renzulli, who once worked in the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, also posted comments about the controversy.
“If Jen Graves’ theory is true, that Krafft may have used art as a means of smuggling in a nationalist-white power message, then I think that curators in those museums that own artworks by Krafft should consider shelving or archiving his work rather than taking advantage of the controversy,” Renzulli told Hatewatch.
Now, his pieces of work are “insensitive to survivors and their families,” she said, especially in light of a recent story in The New York Times detailing new research that shows there were 42,500 Nazi ghettos and camps throughout Europe – far more than ever believed.
“Krafft’s art seems to exist to desensitize, to diffuse the power of some of the world’s controversial symbols,” Renzulli told Hatewatch. “In doing this, it seems that deniers and/or Nazi sympathizers can rally around a swastika in plain sight. Even if this is one big joke by Krafft, it’s not a very funny one.”
on March 6th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Eh, he’ll never replace Wedgwood.
And now I have just one more reason to never buy a 75,000 dollar ceramic Kalashnikov.
on March 6th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
General Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered the movies and still photos taken of the liberated concentration camps because, he said, ” Someday someone will claim this never happened.” What a smart man.
on March 6th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
I would have never purchased a piece of art like this even if it was meant to be funny. There are some matters in life, the Holocaust being one of them, that is not meant to be made fun of. We need to learn to draw lines between good satire and just plain bad taste.
This reminds me of the art work Madoff had in his office while screwing people out of their hard earned cash. It was a sculpture of a soft screw. Now I would not have found that amusing. I’m walking into a financial adviser’s office to talk about investing money with his organization and there’s a large soft screw sculpture in the corner of the room?
There is nothing funny about Mr. Kraffts subject matter.
on March 6th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Holocaust deniers-certainly the ones who are not young and deluded- know the thing they deny took place. They deny it out of insolence and malice.
When I was fifteen, I was taken to see the premiere of The Diary of Anne Frank on Miami Beach (for clarity, my family is not Jewish). The cries of agony from the audience were not theater. Many of the survivors of the Holocaust and of the ghettos and camps themselves were not yet thirty. I personally knew survivors and those who had narrowly escaped myself. This man, only four years younger than I, cannot plead ignorance
But too many among the young are readily deceived by vicious old liars like this. I was forced to read, cover to cover, “The Case for Auschwitz”,by Robert Jan Van Pelt, and memorize Holocaust technology because these liars convinced a young person of acquaintance that the extermination and cremation process was physically impossible. Indeed, it was possible and actual. I memorized it. Most of my hair is now white as the flower upon the thorn.
Deceit is how these people operate. They take pleasure in lying; it is how they feel superior to their dupes. Let this liars works remain on display. Let them be labelled as the remarkable works of a remarkable liar.
on March 7th, 2013 at 7:07 am
When I was a kid, I created a large painting in oil of Adolph Hitler in a chef’s hat frying eggs. However, I always felt, if Adolph Hitler somehow materialized in my kitchen, I’d like to think I’d take a frying pan and whack him over the head so hard, he’d never think about invading a country ever again.
on March 7th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
@Reynardine: you said: Deceit is how these people operate. They take pleasure in lying; it is how they feel superior to their dupes. Let this liars works remain on display. Let them be labelled as the remarkable works of a remarkable liar.
And I could not have said it any better. I agree with you completely.
In 2013 this has been my experience with racists as well. They take pleasure in lying and they somehow believe this makes them superior to their dupes.
When in fact it makes them repulsive human beings to be around. Anyone can lie in order to make fools of others it’s just that as a way of life to harm other human beings out of malicious hate is both despicable and unconscionable behavior and is far from being a sign of superior intelligence. If anything I find it to be a sign of extreme ignorance.
on March 7th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
@Sam: General Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered the movies and still photos taken of the liberated concentration camps because, he said, ” Someday someone will claim this never happened.” What a smart man.
Indeed he was.
on March 7th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
I have known Charles Krafft for 37 years and I am in complete agreement with Phil Campbell’s statement: “this also could be the case of a man well past his prime who is indulging some delusional tendencies that have been there for a very long time, but perhaps weren’t that strong in the beginning,” Campbell continued. “Krafft has always been an iconoclast, but now his iconoclasm is hardening, becoming a deadening ideology. The older he gets, the more his opinions seem to be calcifying, degrading. Since the Stranger piece came out I know of several people who claim that Krafft has intimated all along that he harbors certain sympathies for these anti-Semitic opinions. ,”
Charles was able to keep his anti-semitic opinions relatively muted but once he obtained access to the internet, he appears to have given himself free rein to explore and solidify those opinions, including holocaust denial, and to adopt new ones such as white nationalism. Facebook and Twitter allowed him to further expand on these topics and gain a wider audience. It is all very sad. Charles was once one of the funniest, most interesting persons I have ever met. I have been wrestling with whether or not our friendship had to end, but I think that he has gone too far now..
on March 7th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Typical nonsense as expected by the pro holohoaxers.
Trying to stop freedom of speech through art.
Of course to the Jews who have allowed blasphemy through their art one in mind called “pissed Christ” a crucifix in a bottle of urine. Nothing said about that.
One Jew described the holocaust as this.
“most of the memoirs and reports [of 'Holocaust survivors'] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks…”
–Samuel Gringauz, “Jewish Social Studies” (New York), January 1950,
Vol. 12, p. 65
on March 8th, 2013 at 5:01 am
Let me see if I understand this. This guy’s art is nice and you’ve liked liked his work for years, but now we’re going to smear him and blacklist him because we don’t like his politics?
Isn’t this McCarthyism?
It sounds like your East Coast leftist bully group under the guise of a “Southern” civil rights organization needs to be put on your own hate groups list.
on March 8th, 2013 at 8:40 am
Mr. Rizzoli and Mr. Sixx: Note that you have been permitted to spew your meretricious alphabet soup on these pages, without censorship.
on March 8th, 2013 at 9:15 am
How is it a smear to report his admitted views? And if being revealed as a nazi sympathizer causes his works to lose value, that is simply the market at work.
Even today, many cannot separate Richard Wagner’s beautiful music from his ugly views – and in that case, its been well over a century (and Wagner died years before Hitler came around). Some people cannot separate the views of the artist from the art. Now, i consider that to be pretty unreasonable in the case of Richard Wagner – i mean he’s been dead for more than a century and the works have been public domain since well before Elmer Fudd sang “Kill the Wabbit” in “What’s Opera Doc?”
In the case of a living creative person who could continue to profit from his works, i consider it to be perfectly reasonable for individual people to refuse to provide them financial support or glory. Galleries may also face boycotts for having works by a known Nazi sympathizer in their collection. Hence, the quoted people (not the SPLC) are calling for galleries to put his work in storage – not to destroy it or to censor it. .
on March 8th, 2013 at 9:49 am
Oh look, the pride of Framingham, MA showed up.
I shamed Joe and his idiot brother so badly that they decided to leave Patch.com personally. Always entertaining.
And ‘Mickey,’ none of us have ever liked his work. It is stupid. And we are allowed to express displeasure if he seems to espouse an ideology we find repulsive.
Are we stopping you from buying a $60,000 ceramic Uzi or a $125,000 teapot in the shape of Amy Winehouse’s head? Hardly. He has every right to go on selling his dreck.
But we also have a right to publish his anti-semitism. It’s not like it’s a secret. Take your issue up with ‘The Stranger.’ They’re presumably West Coast enough for you.
on March 8th, 2013 at 11:48 am
I would like to say this is an interesting story. The liberal media and it supporters has obviously get their jollies off by chastising Mr Krafft for his holocaust denial views. There has been other atrocities in our history. Somehow. The nazi holocaust garners the most attention and reaction from various perspectives. I am bother by the 6,000,000 number of jews who died in the holocaust. Do we really know the exact figures, or this is some kind of numbers put out by so called historians. Anyway. You can decide for yourselves.
on March 8th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
The numbers are relevant but given the large amount of numbers don’t know if they are exact or near exact that is not the point it happened to millions of Jews, and the hate perpetrated by Nazis and those who subscribe to their beliefs are still happening in America today against Jews and other minorities; it is and remains a monstrous deed brought about by the teachings and philosophies of monsters that I would not call human beings. Just because something looks like a human being does not make it so given the monstrous and unconscionable deeds perpetrated by beings that I find hard to believe are in the possession of hearts and souls.
If what is being reported is true then it appears that Mr. Krafft has long been getting his jollies by collecting money from unsuspecting victims to the true intentions of his high end art.
Let me make it clear I would not want any image of Hitler anywhere in my life other than maybe in a history book so that we are educated as to what real evil looks like. But imagine if you were gullible enough to purchase the art only to find that the artist was a Monster sympathizer?
That is a slap in the face and a stab in the back. If it were me I couldn’t get the art of my home fast enough.
But again I would never have purchased anything done with such bad taste regardless of how the art critics viewed it. Making fun of a race of people who faced such horrible atrocities such as the Holocaust is absolutely disgusting and inhuman.
on March 8th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Georgia: I dare you to read Van Pelt’s book. If you can refute it with equal thoroughness and intellectual honesty, come back and state your case. Until then, shut whatever orifice you are using to utter your cretinous whine.
on March 8th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Erika:
The same arguments you’re making are the same ones the McCarthyite zealots made about Hollywood in the 1950′s.
I always find the leftist double standard amusing. They are always so self righteous. I think it goes something like this:
“It’s not just my side versus your side. It’s good versus evil. So whatever we have to do to fight evil, it is justified. But if you do the same thing to us (like McCarthyism), we’ll cry foul so loud…”
Pure fanaticism. The same fanaticism you find in the Middle East. Different ideology, but same zealous fanaticism.
And to say the loss of the art’s value is “market driven” is pure hogwash. You’re instigating it.
It’s like somebody claiming to find a finger in a restaurant’s chili, then saying the restaurant’s demise is “market driven”.
This would be so funny if it weren’t so pathetic.
on March 8th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Aron, sorry but anyone who can get someone to pay $125,000 for a teapot is most definitely a P.T. Barnum level genius .
Of course, the type of person who pays $125,000 for a teapot likely has a vault filled with gold coins to swim in like Scrooge McDuck but still that qualifies as a good example of the adage “a fool and their money are soon parted”
on March 8th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
Georgia, the Nazis would kill whole towns of innocent people as reprisals, which even Stalin never did. Stalin did kill more people, to crush any opposition, but the vast majority were genuinely opposing his regime. The Germans are nothing if not efficient, and as everything they did was legal under their laws, they kept excellent records. Those numbers are well documented.
on March 8th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Well, “Georgia Citizen,” before you set yourself up as an expert on the Holocaust, you might want to finish the eighth grade, and check up on the proper use of English grammar. You’re a sad advertisement for both the Georgia school system and the “white race.”
And, yes, we have a pretty good handle on the figures from the Holocaust. In fact, we have new scholarship that indicates the numbers are greater. The Nazis had as many as 42,000 camps and sub-camps in their concentration camp system, throughout the Reich and its occupied territories.
By the way, one reason it gets so much attention is that Germany was a highly civilized nation that valued “kultur,” learning, and reason, and they turned pogrom and massacre into a highly bureaucratic and industrialized operation, with oceans of memoranda and policies on how to do it, organizing everything down to the use of human hair cut from the victims.
By the way, I consider the worst part of the Holocaust to be the sadistic Nazi “medical experiments” conducted at Dachau and Auschwitz…injecting prisoners with gasoline, freezing them, and sterilizing them. These were done by doctors who swore Hippocratic oaths not to harm their patients….but did it anyway.
Care to comment, “Georgia Citizen?” Fill the room with your vast study and learning. We await the outpouring of the truck-garden of your mind.
on March 8th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
@Georgia Citizen–people who practice Holocaust denial deserve chastising. The Holocaust is a fact of history.Only in strange minds like yours does remembering the Holocaust and criticizing those who would deny it somehow equate with belittling other atrocities and genocides.
As for the rest of your comment…if you are “bother” by the number and have questions about how historians determined that “some kind of numbers,” then why don’t you freaking research it? And finally–”Anyway. You can decide for yourselves.” No, actually we can’t “decide for ourselves” whether or not facts are true. Facts are facts. You can decide not to accept facts, but that doesn’t make them go away.
on March 8th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
What is a “famous ceramicist”? What are the dangerous political views of the most famous driftwood sculptor on the Long Island sound?
The SPLC seems to be hunting for scalps way out past the boundaries of relevancy here.
on March 9th, 2013 at 12:12 am
Arron the big liar. We were kicked off of the Patch because we criticized Israel. I put my whole name up here because I am proud of who I am. Aaron who?
Typical Jewish response, no last name.
The holocaust is a fraud. The Jews now are Trying to make up moe lies, stay tuned.
Great videos out there.
“One third the holocaust” being one and ” The Last days of the Big lie” by Eric Hunt. These videos destroy the Holocaust lies we’ve had to put up with for 75 years
on March 9th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Damn you sure are a sharp tack, Georgia Citizen. Before asking where the figure of 6 million came from(this is a figure only for Jews), did you even bother to CHECK how that figure was arrived at?
When you speak about exact figures, obviously it’s not exactly 6 million. For Jewish deaths its around 4.8 to just over 6 million. Non-Jewish deaths were even greater, at least 6 million. For example, the death toll of the USSR was 25-27 million, the majority of that being civilian deaths. Of course it is difficult to define exactly how many of the civilian deaths should be counted as something apart from the Holocaust because most Holocaust figures include 1. mass exterminations of non-Jews in Soviet territory, and 2. 1.5 million Jews were executed by Einsatzgruppen, which in itself is considered part of the Holocaust(and contributes to the 6 million figure).
But let’s forget about Jews for a minute. Here’s what your hero Hitler did.
1. Started a war which would kill 40-50 million in Europe, and displace many others.
2. Caused serious ethnic conflicts between European peoples, the effects of which can still be felt in modern times.
3. Destroyed historic European cities.
This is actually why most European countries ban Neo-Nazism. It’s not because their governments are controlled by Jews; many of them have tiny Jewish populations. They naturally hate Nazism because Hitler invaded their countries and enslaved them. Take the Netherlands for example. The country was neutral and Hitler invaded and occupied them from May 1940-1945. After Market Garden the Nazis punished the Dutch who remained behind their lines. Anyone who can’t see why the average Dutch citizen would approve of laws against glorification of Nazism simply doesn’t know history.
on March 9th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
@Aron
“…we also have a right to publish his anti-semitism.”
I’m reading you and Campbell saying Krafft is anti-semitic, but I haven’t seen any quotes or anything where he says something anti-semitic. Care to share with the rest of us?
on March 9th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Red, sounds like you never…read.
As for you, Mr. Rizoli, why should Aron give you two names, when you can’t even misspell one consistently twice in a paragraph?
on March 9th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Typical conspiracy theorists thinks Youtube videos are the research equivalent of a smoking gun. One Third of the Holocaust was easily debunked, just like every other Holocaust denial trope. Here are just a couple things Holocaust deniers have never been able to answer:
1. How does one account for the information on the Holocaust which comes from Goebbels’ diary? Goebbels’ diary was discovered by accident and everything in it matches to known information about Goebbels, such as dates, places, etc.
2. If it’s a hoax, who made the hoax? “The Jews” is not an answer to that question. WWII ended in 1945 yet from that time to the present not a scrap of paper has been discovered which gives any evidence of the construction of this hoax. No orders to build fake gas chambers, no document constructing false stories, etc.
3. In line with number 2, who has been keeping this hoax secret in countries like Russia or Poland, both of which went through major political changes several times since the end of WWII. The standard denial claim is that the USSR was largely responsible for the hoax. Very well, what kept them from blowing the lid on it when Soviet policy went full on anti-Zionist in the 50′s and 60′s? Nothing would have embarrassed the West more than the release of such information. Then in 1991 the Soviet archives were opened, and again, not a scrap of paper. Not a single veteran or ex-NKVD man was ever found who was involved in creating the hoax.
4. In order to create such a hoax, and cover it up perfectly(as was done), the hoaxers would have had to start early. They would have needed to possess intimate knowledge of the “real” German camp system, but more importantly they would have to know the outcome of the war. They would have to know that Germany would lose, and that when they lost the USSR would occupy much of Eastern Europe(especially the most important territories where the crimes happened), and that the Grand Alliance would break down, creating the Iron Curtain in the first place.
on March 9th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
First,
Jim look back through your comments on the Patch. You’ll find someone whose name is Aron. That’s me. I’m not revealing my last name here because people infinitely more dangerous than you peruse this site.
Second,
Red, you obviously haven’t read the article. Holocaust denial IS anti-semitism incarnate.
on March 10th, 2013 at 12:39 am
Others here have sufficiently responded to Georgia Citizen. I’ll just add one point: they’re not “so-called historians”, they’re “historians”.
on March 10th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Well, Mr. Rizoli, as far as Eric Hunt goes…we are talking about the admitted bipolar teenager who trailed Elie Wiesel across the country, to ambush him in a hotel in San Francisco, demanding that the Nobel Laureate admit into his video camera that the Holocaust was a lie?
When Mr. Hunt stood trial, he initially pleaded insanity. And while Mr. Wiesel was giving his direct evidence, Mr. Hunt stood up and apologized for his attack, and added, “I’m sorry you had to experience the Holocaust. My grandfather fought the Nazis in World War II and he told me about it.”
His family said that he got into anti-Semitic drivel on the web, and acted upon it, wasting his inheritance money.
A bipolar teenager with little education, who commits attempted kidnapping and elder abuse. There’s a great authority on World War II and the Holocaust.
And I’ve read the write-ups on you, Mr. Rizoli. Hatred of Brazilian immigrants, and you’re blaming the “vast Jewish conspiracy” for this. There’s a great cause. So tell me, Mr. Rizoli, do you have a coherent, achievable, definite solution to this ailment….or just whining?
As for “Mickey Sixx,” Mr. Krafft opened his big fat mouth and spouted his hatred of the Jews, in a newspaper, exercising his freedom of speech. However, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from speech, and does not mean that anything a neo-Nazi or junior Fascist spouts must be treated by the public like Holy Writ.
If you go public with your views, particularly in a newspaper or in a public forum, you can expect other folks to exercise their freedom of speech, and criticize those statements. Don’t like it? Tough.
Criticizing appalling outbursts like Mr. Krafft’s and Mel Gibson’s are not “McCarthyism.” It would be “McCarthyism” if Mr. Krafft got hauled before a House or Senate committee and ordered to name his fellow travelers on pain of imprisonment.
As for people not buying his artwork now that he’s exposed as a junior Fascist…sounds like the flip side of George Lincoln Rockwell’s Nazis refusing to purchase black Doberman Pinschers to guard their property back in the 1960s. And frankly, if Mr. Krafft gets economic heat for his behavior, that’s what happens when you become controversial. Welcome to the free market that most of you junior Fascists pretend to worship.
on March 11th, 2013 at 9:16 am
right, Mickey, a private group writing an article which repeats criticism of a person’s objectively repellant beliefs by private citizens is exactly the same as actions taken by the United States government creating blacklists preventing people from obtaining jobs or member of Congress creating pressure.
*eyes roll*.
McCarthyism was bad because it was governmental action – this isn’t. The First Amendment doesn’t protect you from criticism of your ideas by private parties.
And you’d have to be incredibly naive to believe that the market value of his art isn’t going to plunge due to him being revealed to be a Holocaust denier and white nationalist. Even people stupid enough to pay $125,000 for a tea pot aren’t going to be stupid enough to pay $125,000 for a tea pot made by a Holocaust Denier because they know that other people aren’t going to want to buy it.
on March 11th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
This story uses the phrase “Holocaust Denier” as if there’s something wrong. What is wrong with investigating historical events and having an opinion different from the mainstream? We’re allowed to investigate and challenge other historical events.
I too question the official Holocaust story. Why does it only talk about the suffering of Jews? How come very little discussion of all the people who suffered under Communism? There is a plaque outside Auschwitz that used to say 4 million people died there. The plaque was changed in 1991. Now it says only 1.5 million died. The story keeps changing.
http://furtherglory.wordpress......-changing/
on March 11th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
@Reynardine and Aron
If the anti-semitic things Krafft says in the article are so blatantly obvious – why don’t you just cite the passages?
I’ll pose the question to anyone reading this time – I’d love to hear about anything Krafft has ever said that is anti-semitic. I take such things seriously, the term shouldn’t be thrown around lightly, and it would make a difference in my perception of the artist, which is why I require that what he’s said actually be actually bigoted, prejudicial, or discriminatory toward Jews.
Just being into conspiracy theories isn’t enough – I mean heck, I’ve known Jews with what would be considered controversial views on the Holocaust.
So again, quotes please.
on March 11th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
“This story uses the phrase “Holocaust Denier” as if there’s something wrong. What is wrong with investigating historical events and having an opinion different from the mainstream?”
When you actually investigate historical events, you’re a revisionist, not a denier. But when you purposely pick and choose which sources you’re going to believe, you’re a denier.
“We’re allowed to investigate and challenge other historical events.”
True, but if you don’t find evidence which supports your hypothesis, or you find evidence that contradicts your claims, you should accept that. This is the difference between a denier and a legitimate revisionist.
“I too question the official Holocaust story. Why does it only talk about the suffering of Jews? ”
It doesn’t. How are you supposed to “investigate the official story” when you clearly don’t even know what it is?
“How come very little discussion of all the people who suffered under Communism?”
1. This is irrelevant to the Holocaust.
2. Have you heard of this guy named Glenn Beck? Maybe the Black Book of Communism? RJ Rummel?
“There is a plaque outside Auschwitz that used to say 4 million people died there. The plaque was changed in 1991. Now it says only 1.5 million died. The story keeps changing.”
One change = “the story keeps changing.” The plaque issue is quite simple. The 4 million plaque, which was the official story under the Polish Communist government, said “4 million people”, not just Jews. It was based on a miscalculation the Soviets made regarding the operation of the crematoria. Basically they didn’t know about the period in 1943 or 44 when several of the Kremas were out of action.
Death tolls are revised downward and upward all the time; the Soviet death toll in WWII was originally, officially 20 million. Now it is as high as 30 million. What is also interesting is that the number of people executed under Stalin was often said to be in the millions, yet no evidence supports this claim and the Soviet secret archives showed that the number of executed was just under 700,000. Somehow I don’t think you’re overly concerned with that revisionism.
on March 11th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Oh, Darn! I forgot to reply to Mr. Rizoli last week so I’ll do it now, because it’s too good to pass up.
Sir — the work of “art” that you cited, “pissed christ” was actually titled, “Piss Christ.” And yes, it was a crucifix in a jar filled with urine, which is, admittedly, rather icky. It is my understanding that, other than the title, one wouldn’t have known this, though, because the photo (it was buy that Mapplethorp dude that everyone was so steamed up over in the 1980s and 1990s) simply showed the crucifix engulfed in a golden yellow.
Okay — still gross, but it was “Piss Christ,” not “pissed christ” — although I’m sure that Christ is probably plenty pissed by many of the stupid things people say and do.
on March 11th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Eugene:
I read your article on Scrapbook. It is very interesting to know theat numbers of who(supposedly) died at these Austwicz camps in Poland. I appreciate your work. Suffice to say. There’s nio doubt that some people lost their live in the horrors of Nazi Germany. Let’s face it. Liberals, Conservative and jewish interested groups has made millions off on the holocaust.
I acknowledge that some people died in this madness. However. The evidence presented by the Sovietsl presented in the Nuemberg was tainted. Why should believe these commies? The number sounds fishy to m,e. Apparently the U.S. and Russia made a secret pact that we bail out Stalin’s butt and in return the russians got Eastern Europe, meaning the people in this part of Europe have to wait 40+ years to be free from Soviet tyranny. Go figure!
on March 11th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Well, Eugene, the First Amendment entitles you to lie as much as you want to, as long as you don’t identify an individual you are lying about , and since that is nothing but your screen name, we may also call you a precious little malicious liar.
on March 11th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Joe Rizoli: The Jews are making up Moe lies? I highly resent the implication that that great Stooge was a liar. Kidding. I make typos too. I appreciate the full name, too, although I don’t agree with your view of history.
on March 11th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Intelligent investigation is one thing but denying that a holocaust ever happened is not an intelligent investigation that is simply a lie.
There’s a big difference. I liken that lie to someone saying that we never had slaves in the South. Slaves were never tortured or killed, etc., etc. We have human beings that are alive to live and testify to the history we already have more than enough proof that sustains its reality.
Every argument is not worthy of our time and energy. Arguing the historical events of the Holocaust is not an argument or an intelligent opinion.
Just as if someone came into this discussion and denied slavery in the South, no one with any intelligence would consider that a valid argument or a sound opinion. It is obviously a lie being spread by someone who is delusional or historically illiterate.
on March 11th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
@Reynardine: I like your description of alphabet soup spewing…very nice.
@ Micky Sixx
And yes a persons politics when they are so radical would change the perspective of his art work. Especially when that art work is political. Now maybe if he had been casting Manatees in pottery or American wildlife who knows perhaps some clodpolls out there would still be purchasing the art. And even with the revelation of his political views there will probably be some hatemongers that will now mortgage the village to own his work.
But it is equally the rights of the intelligent community to toss, destroy, trash any art of his they may own, and yes censure this artist from their lives and homes.
on March 11th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
@Ruslan: you said
“Typical conspiracy theorists thinks Youtube videos are the research equivalent of a smoking gun.”
You are so very correct.
It’s amazing what people consider to be valid research resources. And what’s worse is if you find yourself stuck in a room with people who want to bring their supportive case law from a publication of Dr. Seuss…your only recourse is to run out of the room as fast as you can before you become smothered with ignorance.
on March 11th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
@Kiwiwriter: on your post Kiwiwriter said,
on March 10th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Bravo! And very well put.
on March 12th, 2013 at 11:21 am
Red, if you can’t figure out the fact that he is a Holocaust denier, than that is hardly my problem. Re-read the article AGAIN, perhaps after taking a remedial course on reading comprehension. Then we can talk.
on March 12th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Well, Georgia Citizen, you do lend credence to that old-time Florida joke…
on March 12th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
@Aron
Talk about lack of reading comprehension, re-read my 3/11 post again, SLOWLY this time. If you’re not going to, then don’t bother replying to me any more, there’s no point in going around in circles, thanks.
So leaving aside Aron and his issues, I’ll throw it open for anyone else:
I would very much like to read any links to any overtly anti-semitic things Krafft has ever said. I haven’t found any. I take the charge seriously, as we all should. Simply basing it on whether someone is into some conspiracy theory or another isn’t enough.
on March 12th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Red,
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Charles+Krafft+anti-semitism
Hope fully that should help. I answered you the first time around. Now I’m going even further. Take care!
on March 12th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
In older and crueller days, Red, you’d have been sat in the corner with a dunce cap
on March 12th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
@Aron: perhaps we could help Red to better understand, this article and interview with Krafft has been picked up by the Huffingpost as well. And Mr. Krafft appears to have implicated himself of his holocaust denial and much more. I went to the link and found this quote from: http://www.thestranger.com/sea.....d=15995245
Krafft wrote back, “I don’t doubt that Hitler’s regime killed a lot of Jews in WWII, but I don’t believe they were ever frog marched into homicidal gas chambers and dispatched. I think between 700,000–1.2 million Jews died of disease, starvation, overwork, reprisals for partisan attacks, allied bombing, and natural causes during the war.”
RESPONSE FROM ME: really Mr. Krafft, perhaps you would like to share that belief with the families and friends of Holocaust survivors today. In my opinion, for someone who wasn’t there, you are calling a great number of people liars.
It also appears to me that in the world of “Krafft Make Believe” the Jewish prisoners were simply dying of natural causes while just being mildly underfed and overworked. Are we now to assume the same thing about southern slaves? That they were simply overworked while living relatively good lives? And are we also to believe that hangings, floggings, human castrations, mutilations, and the burning alive of human slaves is all merely a part of the historical American imagination?
Mr. Krafft has obviously been led down the road of the simple minded who concoct historical events out of the mysterious ether of blind ignorance. Who knows if he will ever find his way back to mankind.
More from the same article link I posted above:
“Krafft’s Facebook posts got the attention of Tim Detweiler, who showed Krafft’s work several times during his tenure as director of the Museum of Northwest Art. He’s not sure how to feel. “If you were a Nazi sympathizer and selling Hitler paraphernalia by the side of the road, you’d be killed,” Detweiler said. “But he’s selling it at the highest-priced stores and at galleries all over the country… It would be like if Kara Walker came out after doing all these years of pickaninnies”—Walker is an African American artist who makes cartoonish silhouettes of horrible scenes from slavery—”and said, ‘Oh, through my research, I’ve found that the slave trade was not as bad as we thought—the numbers were exaggerated and the slaves had more choice than we thought.’ What would you think of her work then? I mean, I don’t know. My head’s spinning, to be honest.”
MY OPINION:
One thing appears to be apparent is that Mr. Krafft is not well read on white nationalism. I’m wondering if this man has any real awareness and understanding of the ideologies that he is nursing.
The SPLC has some great research and facts posted:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-i.....d-position
Perhaps someone could invite Mr. Krafft and his suckling ideology over to gain a broader more learned definition and perspective of the poisonous environment his mind and heart appear to be calling home these days.
on March 12th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
Eugene! You’re back! Trolling for acolytes! Too bad the only one you’ve found is already a junior Fascist.
Anyway, you’re still on the hook, genius, for those questions.
You think I forgot? Here we go!
1. If you’re here to “debate leftists,” why are you ignoring their responses?
2. If you don’t read “their posts anymore,” why are you here?
3. How can you have their posts on “permanent ignore,” when they’re put on a weblog, not sent in a stand-alone e-mail to you?
4. When you have had a “real job and a wife and family, and a nice home and car he worked for?”
5. Why should Ruslan Amirkhanov “go away?” Are you the webmaster of this site?
6. How do you propose to enforce that demand?
7. Do you seriously expect anybody to obey your demands at this point? You have already stated that we are “crazy,” so why are you issuing them?
8. If Ruslan is a “crazy person” and you “don’t read him,” why should it matter if he is here or not?
9. On that line, why should it matter what he writes? Is he ruining your life?
10. You have repeatedly stated that what appears on this web page “does not matter” and is “not important.” Why, then, are you so concerned with it?
11. Do you believe that freedom of speech only applies to you?
12. What legal or racial theory is that based on?
13. How are you such an expert on the lifestyles of leftists?
14. According to you leftists “all probably live in a college town in a crummy basement apartment, doing drugs, with no job, never even had a girlfriend. They’re probably all gay, unattractive, effeminate, overweight slobs. Basically deviants. So they get mad when the see a normal healthy man who has a job, looks good, is clean cut, and has a real job and a wife and family, and has a nice home and car he worked for. So these losers are all jealous.” If “leftists” are “deviants” in the first place, why would they be “jealous” of others?
15. Leftists include Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, and John F. Kennedy. Were any of them “gay, unattractive, effeminate, overweight slobs?”
16. Leftist war heroes include Theodore Roosevelt (Spanish-American War), Harry S. Truman (World War I and dropper of two atomic bombs), John F. Kennedy (World War II), George McGovern (World War II), Al Gore (Vietnam), and John Kerry (Vietnam). Were they “gay, unattractive, effeminate, overweight slobs?”
17. What is the definition of a “normal, healthy man?”
18. Why is having a “car he worked for” so critical to normality? What if you live in a major city where parking is a nightmare?
19. As a Ph.D. and a university professor, you must work with colleagues who do not “look good,” or are necessarily “clean cut,” nor can afford a “car he worked for.” How do you get along with them?
20. Does the term “projection” mean anything to you?
21. You indicate intense anger at and obsession with leftists who have made a great deal of money and live well through their own energy and hard work. Is this because you still live in your parents’ basement and have never earned a penny in your entire life?
22. You claim that I and the other regular posters here are deviants who live in “crummy basement apartments in college towns” who have never had jobs, wives, or girlfriends. Please give your research, sources, footnotes, and interviews that have enabled you to come up with such a detailed description of our lives, and explain to us who we are and what we are doing.
23. You have asked us for our “10-year-resumes,” which I presume is part of that research. Since you are now defining us, please present those “resumes” for review.
24. In one of your many incarnations, you have urged your opponents to do the following: “I urge both of you to focus your lives on real world issues that will improve your lives, such as getting a better paying job, joining the military, getting married, saving up to buy a home, or doing anything that will make a real man out of you.” Have you done any of the above?
25. If you have joined the military, please list your service branch, medals, and campaigns.
26. We notice that nowhere in your prescription for life to you include the concept of “community service.” Can you explain this?
27. Please define “Community service.”
28. Have you engaged in any acts of community service, e.g., serving in government, supporting charities, mentoring youth, participating in fundraisers for charities or awareness campaigns to address diseases, or even given blood?
29. If so, please list all such incidents.
30. You have also stated, “The posters on here are all a bunch of anti-white bigots and haters. They speak nothing but lies.” Why are you therefore continuing to engage “liars” in dialogue?
31. Why are you so obsessed with the sexuality of leftists and whether or not they have girlfriends?
32. You indicate that leftists are “gay.” Why would a gay person be “jealous” of someone with a “wife” of the opposite sex?
33. Where did you gain you expertise in gay lifestyles?
34. Why have you changed your sex in your names?
35. You say that all leftists “live in college towns in crummy basement apartments, doing drugs, with no job.” By that logic, how do they pay the rent?
36. You claim to have a Ph.D. and be a tenured professor. Where is that college and what do you teach, and what have you written for your dissertation?
37. What do your colleagues and students think about your statement denouncing your “college town?”
38. Does watching black women perform on music videos make someone an expert on black culture, or on the culture created by black musicians and white music promoters?
39. Why, if you think that American blacks are not “your people,” are you so fascinated with black music videos?
40. How does the behavior of black performers in music videos compare with the behavior of white performers in professional wrestling?
41. Have you done any peer-reviewed or accredited term papers on the connection between music videos and the behavior of ordinary black and white people? If so, please provide the link.
42. You are apparently well-informed on the sexual practices and movements of black women. What research have you undertaken in this field, and where can your reports be found?
43. Did that research include sexual encounters with black women? If so, please list all of them, the types of encounters, positions used, the personal information about the involved persons, and whether or not these encounters were provided willingly or for hire.
44. Did you practice “safe sex” during this research?
45. How do you square these acts of miscegenation with Nazi racial laws that forbid such behavior?
46. Have any of these encounters resulted in children? If so, are you supporting them?
47. Does watching documentaries about remote African tribes make one an expert on African-American life?
48. Are loud and pushy women in supermarkets a threat to America’s survival?
49. Are loud and pushy black women in supermarkets a threat to America’s future?
50. Are you being forced to marry or reproduce with loud and pushy black women?
51. Why are you so obsessed with loud and pushy black women in supermarkets?
52. Are these loud and pushy black women preventing you from shopping?
53. Have you written a peer-reviewed academic paper on loud and pushy black women in supermarkets? If so, please provide the link.
54. Does watching music videos featuring loud black women and seeing loud and pushy black women make you an expert on famine in the Ukraine in the 1930s?
55. Are you sexually obsessed with loud and pushy black women?
56. You indicate a fascination with loud and pushy black women. Do you find quiet and polite black women sexually attractive?
57. Please list any and all black women that you find sexually attractive.
58. In what field did you earn your Ph.D. and where can we find your dissertation?
59. You claim that you answer all arguments with data. Please provide links to this data, and show that it has met academic standards. (As a Ph.D. with tenure at a university, you must know what those are)
60. Tell us how the Russian people greeted their Nazi invaders with flowers, with proofs and citations.
61. Tell us how Stalin intended to mate captured German civilians with monkeys to create a super-race, with proofs and citations. Your statement: “In the closing days of WWII the Soviet army was an entire army of rapists. Stalin had a secret agreement with Churchill and Roosevelt to take 4 million German civilians as slaves to Siberia to work in the Gulags — German women, old people teenagers, children. German babies were even taken for medical experiments. Stalin has a nightmarish dream of breeding humans with gorillas to create a super race of human/ape hybrids, which of course, failed. Read yourself in the Yalta agreement. It says the Soviets can take civilians as ‘labor in kind’ — meaning SLAVES!” Can you prove this with documentary evidence, such as examples of this “super race of human/ape hybrids?”
62. Why would “human/ape hybrids” be a “super race?” Would they be superior to, say, the Aryan race?
63. Please give your academic credentials in biology and anthropology in support of this statement.
64. Tell us how Norman Rockwell sided with Hitler, with proofs and citations.
65. Please give your academic credentials in art in support of this statement.
66. Show us your proof that the white man is superior to the black man, with academic citations.
67. You have also told us that you do not associate with neo-Nazis like Hal Turner, and so forth. Yet you have also said, on May 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm: “What’s wrong with being a neo-Nazi?” You have also said, “America is an evil country. While our brave young men were fighting in the East to stop the Asiatic hoards [sic], America bombed our civilians. There were no German soldiers left in the cities near the end of WWII. There were only babies, old people, young children, women. Yet the Americans bombed these civilians. During all this time our brave young men were fighting against Communism. America is an evil country. America fought on the side of evil during WWII. And evil won that war.” How can you rectify this hypocrisy?
68. What do your colleagues and superiors at your university think about you being a neo-Nazi adherent?
69. As an educator, how do you treat Jews and blacks in your classes?
70. Have you received any complaints from them for your racism or anti-Semitism?
71. In this post, you said the following: “#47 Comment By Jason Smith On May 7, 2012 @ 12:17 pm A.D.M., Ruslan, Erica, Reynadine, Aron, etc … You will have to start doing your own work. Read some books. If you want to hire me as a consultant , I might do it, for a consulting fee of say $500 dollars per hour. I might be willing to give a speech at one of your events but I would charge a fee. Minimum $10K plus travel expenses. But no, I’m not going to do anything for you for free. FYI: I do not read any of your responses. I never click on your links. I am not going to do any work for you or answer your questions for free. I don’t do that.” Does that mean you are only involved in neo-Nazism for personal gain?
72. If you will not provide information, except for vast fees, how do you propose to gain adherents among the poor and disenfranchised?
73. Isn’t demanding money for personal financial gain in exchange for proving your cause a tactic of the Jews and blacks that you despise?
74. Why are you using tactics of the very people you detest?
75. Doesn’t behaving like a Jew or a black make you a Jew or a black?
76. When are you going to provide us with that e-mail address for our 10-year resumes?
77. You have said, “Someday you’ll be on a talk show, flogging one of your novels, and you’ll complain, ‘I once debated this guy named Ezra on the Internet and he ignored all my posts, even though they were so clever’. Then you will burst out into tears on live TV.” Care to explain this in 1,000 words or less?
78. Isn’t a statement like the above an example of using the evil leftist debate terms of “epithets, slurs, invective,” and therefore not becoming a white nationalist and neo-Nazi?
79. You gave the following statement on the death of JT Ready: “#5 Comment By Jason Smith On May 3, 2012 @ 6:20 pm I do not believe this story. I believe it’s a setup! Note, the press release calls him the “apparent” shooter, and “The evidence to this point, which will still be verified …” So it’s not yet proven what happened. It may be a setup. It could be another hoax. It is far more likely this crime was committed by a gang of Communists and JT Ready was set up! Communist gangs operate all along the southern boarder smuggling drugs and illegal aliens. That’s a fact!” Can you provide proof that JT Ready was murdered by a Communist gang?
80. You indicate that Communist gangs are smuggling drugs and illegal aliens. Since such activities are done for profit motives, in connection with powerful capitalist drug cartels, how do you reconcile this discrepancy?
81. Do the profits from the drug trade finance Communist activities?
82. At the same time, numerous members of the Aryan Brotherhood are heavily involved in the production and distribution of methamphetamine, an illegal substance, to the public and in prison systems. Are such activities in keeping with Nazi traditions of purity?
83. How do you reconcile their activities as being different from those of Communist drug gangs?
84. You have made the following statement: “#2 Comment By Annie On August 20, 2012 @ 1:15 pm There’s nothing wrong with being a racist. A racist is merely a person who recognizes the existence of other races, yet prefers the company of his own people. Just as gays began coming out of the closet, I say it’s time for white racists to do the same. I feel more comfortable around other white people. When I go to a restaurant, or shopping, the community where I chose to buy a home, etc … My racist views shape all my decisions, and I think that’s good. I encourage all white to become racists. When more of us come out of the closet can we find acceptance for people like us. The people who hate white racists will be forced to accept us and our beliefs. That will occur when millions of us come out of the closet. There are so many of us they won’t be able to stop us or do anything. Only when white racists are united and come out in groups will we be able to force complete acceptance of racism.” How do you reconcile this statement with the violent and often genocidal acts of fellow racists?
85. There have already been examples of racist societies: the Confederacy, Nazi Germany, and the Aryan Nations compound in Idaho. They have all failed. If they are based on racial superiority to their enemies, why and how did they fail?
86. You repeatedly ask us to defend or deny various statements and positions. However, you have also stated that you refuse to read anything we say. Why are you asking us questions about our positions if you do not read our answers?
87. You have also stated that we are “Communist liars.” If we are liars, why are you asking us where we stand on any issue, since all we state are lies.
88. You have repeatedly said that you can create a website with your own worldview. Why have you not done so?
89. You have repeatedly given differing topics as being the “important question.” Can you indicate a set of principles, aka a “political platform,” to consistently give your positions?
90. Since your positions, names, identities, and views are constantly changing, how can you say you have any core integrity?
91. If we are all crazy people, why are you wasting valuable time here instead of making your own web page?
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on March 12th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
When confronted with a terrible historical event like the Holocaust there are two reactions: 1.) “It was bad,” which I’m sure everyone here agrees with. 2.) “It was a good thing” (which I would not say about the Holocaust). But it turns, out there is a third possible response: “It doesn’t matter.” This is my position.
I say the Holocaust happened, but it doesn’t matter. Why do I say this? Simple. The Communists murdered approximately 100 Million people during the 20th Century. Stalin murdered 20 million. Mao murdered 60 million. And millions more were murdered in Angola, Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia, and a host of other countries under Communism.
So I say, the killing of only 6 million Jews, if the story is true, it is unfortunate. But it is a mere footnote of history and isn’t as important as the crimes of Communism. All these young left-wing punks, like the Occupy Wall Street crowd, and these college punks, and all the punks you see in America and the rest of the West, many of them think Communism was a good idea. Or we should try it again.
Yet Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were all the same kind of thinking left wing punks when they were young. They thought they would change the world for the better. But it was all lies. So I say, to Hell with all these young left-wing punks. The Holocaust pales in comparison with the Crimes of Communism. If you think the Holocaust was a horror, why are you not even more greatly outraged by the crimes of Communism?
on March 12th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
Here is a copy of a letter that is in the CIA Museum Artifacts my favorite part pertaining to Hitler is (Today he is dead, his memory despised, his country in ruins.”), I get goosebumps every time I read that part of the letter. You can find it on this link:
https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2012-featured-story-archive/cia-museum-artifacts-letter-from-helms.html
The CIA Museum … Artifacts: Letter from Richard Helms to His Son
The CIA Museum is home to many interesting artifacts associated with the Central Intelligence Agency, its predecessor the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), and foreign intelligence organizations. This, the seventh article in a series that explores the Agency’s unique history through its artifacts, examines a letter sent from former Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) Richard Helms to his son during World War II.
* * * * *
Helms Letter.JPGOne of the crown jewels of the CIA’s newly renovated OSS Gallery is a letter. The letter—a personal note from Helms to his three-year-old son—was written on a sheet of Adolf Hitler’s personal stationery.
“When we got it, the hair on our arms stood up,” said CIA Museum Director Toni Hiley.
The letter marks a significant point during World War II when Americans were celebrating the victory in Europe.
Helms Letter2.JPGMementos of Victory
Helms, an officer in the OSS, somehow obtained a sheet of stationery from Hitler’s Bavarian mountaintop retreat. The letterhead features a gold-embossed swastika and the name Adolf Hitler. On it, Helms wrote a touching and eloquent note to his young son. Dated May 8, 1945 (Victory in Europe Day), the note began:
“Dear Dennis, The man who might have written on this card once controlled Europe—three short years ago when you were born. Today he is dead, his memory despised, his country in ruins.”
His words captured the meaning of the war, not only for the OSS, but for America and its allies.
Helms went on to serve in Berlin where, in the autumn of 1945, he slipped into the Russian zone of occupation to rummage through the ruins of Hitler’s office compound. There, he picked up another Hitler souvenir—a plate. A translation of the plate’s inscription reads, “The Chancellery of the Fuehrer.”
Helms’ son, Dennis, recently donated the note to the CIA Museum, and Helms’s widow donated the plate. Both are framed together and on display in the OSS Gallery.
on March 12th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Well now I have to clean up this truckload of stupid that Georgia Citizen left:
” The evidence presented by the Sovietsl presented in the Nuemberg was tainted. Why should believe these commies?”
Because the evidence was confirmed by other sources and nobody has found any evidence in the Soviet archives relating to the construction of some kind of “hoax.”
” The number sounds fishy to m,e.”
Yeah, because you have a long history of scholarly research on the Holocaust.
” Apparently the U.S. and Russia made a secret pact that we bail out Stalin’s butt and in return the russians got Eastern Europe, meaning the people in this part of Europe have to wait 40+ years to be free from Soviet tyranny. Go figure!”
Major, history, fail. First of all, the alliance between the USSR and the US was not secret at all, it was totally open. Second, US aid to the USSR arrived in significant numbers in the middle of 1942; the battle of Moscow in 1941 had already sealed Hitler’s fate(and nobody forced him to declare war on the US on 11-12-41).
Secondly, nobody “gave” Eastern Europe to the USSR. The British and Americans acted in a similar manner to secure friendly governments in France, Italy, and Greece(where they used military force to restore the monarchy). The USSR was forced to fight through that territory(in Eastern Europe), much of which consisted of former Axis states which had invaded the USSR earlier.
40 years later, the people of Eastern Europe are now free to experience massive unemployment, ethnic wars and persecution, corruption, sex slavery, and other horrors, to varying degrees. But of course that’s all the Jews fault too, right?
on March 13th, 2013 at 10:11 am
I like to take this opportunity to say that I’m very proud of myself for having my beliefs on the holocaust or fakecaust (as some my put it). It is ny right not to taken in by some propaganda put forward by the holomcaust makers, who are making a ton of money and notoriety on this issue.
Heck. The whole thing could been staged just like the so called landing on the moon. Another scam pulled by the poers to be and the media as well as the scientific community.
Another thing. If our soldiers who fought for their beliefs(not mine because I wasn’t born in this time era). Anyway.
If these men have a crystal that could foretell the future of what was to come when the Nazis and Japanese were defeated in WWII. Would these men still fight for our country? Yes and even Gens. Patton and Eisenhower were fools to take the bait. but that was then and this is now. We can’t change history, unless we could travel back into time.Who knows the outcome might have been different and maybe, just maybe we would not have a lot of the problems that we have today.
on March 13th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Well, Red, you haven’t looked very hard.
There was in fact a link provided in the original post here to the Stranger story, where you could have read that the white nationalist website where his interviews were presented is the White Network.
That site proclaims, “We recognize that different races and ethnic groups cannot live together in peace on the same soil, that Whites cannot and should not tolerate being governed by non-Whites. … Jews are not White. They are obsessed with their own group’s best interests, not ours. Our network is and will always remain by, for, and about the best interests of Whites, and only Whites. We are uncompromising on this point. We do not hesitate to identify and criticize Jews and will not allow them to hide amongst us.”
Now, you might argue that Krafft’s podcasts on that site do not necessarily constitute an endorsement of the site’s position. However, Krafft himself has this to say: “It’s not just the Jews that are promoting this thing. Yeah, it’s their little myth. But we’re going to be rounded up not by Jews, we’re going to be rounded up, if it comes to this, by people just like ourselves. … The Jews have gotten white people to turn against themselves.” So he at least agrees with the White Network’s contention that Jews are not white and thus not “just like ourselves.” And since being “rounded up” clearly would not be in “our” best interests, then he must agree that “They are obsessed with their own group’s best interests, not ours.”
But really, the issue of Krafft’s bigotry can be settled much more simply than this: Anyone who espouses white nationalism is a racist by definition.
on March 14th, 2013 at 9:51 am
“The Communists murdered approximately 100 Million people during the 20th Century. Stalin murdered 20 million. Mao murdered 60 million. And millions more were murdered in Angola, Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia, and a host of other countries under Communism.”
Incorrect, all across the board.
on March 14th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
@Reynardine
There’s really no point in bothering to reply if you don’t have anything to say. But I’m looking forward to your next substance-less insult.
on March 14th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
CM,
Thanks for taking a stab at my question. I’m afraid there’s nothing anti-semitic in the quote you cite however, if we accept the usual definition of the term as a statement or action that is bigoted, prejudicial or discriminatory toward Jews. I mean, surely one can say something like, for example, “plumbers are obsessed with their own best interests and not the best interests of electricians” and have good reasons (as opposed to bigoted ones) for saying so.
As far as your second point goes: I’ve yet to read Krafft self-identify anywhere as a “white nationalist” so the claim that Krafft is “a racist by self-definition” fails. Also, even if he were a racist (a claim which, like the anti-semitic claim, the post doesn’t back up, of course), being a racist does not equal being anti-semitic. For example there are plenty of black people who hate koreans in a racist way, but who don’t have an anti-semitic bone in their bodies.
So again, throwing it open to the SPLC sleuths gathered here, let’s back up that anti-semitic accusation, shall we?
on March 14th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Hi everyone. Can I please, without sounding like an annoying nanny, ask everyone to dial it back a tiny bit? I’m all about having a vigorous back and forth, and even some angry arguments, but I’d ask, please, please, let’s dispense with the most overt of the name calling. I just think it drives away newcomers to the blog. Thanks in advance to all. Mark
on March 14th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
The exact numbers are hardly the point, Ruslan. If you’re a Holocaust guilt-peddler, but at the same time you routinely downplay 20th-century Communist genocide, you are an extremely dangerous, sinister, and scary person, and an enemy of any given community or nation of people. If the SPLC was a trustworthy source of information on what constitutes “hate” for someone or something, you would be on their list as a one-man hate group.
on March 14th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
A. Red, I’m not insulting you. You are demonstrating that you’re actually a dunce.
B. Brock, not only that, but he’s shoing his unitherium right now, and once he’s saddled up, the Great (Big) Khan is coming to get you.
And with that, I’m getting a mug of Allantide cider.
on March 14th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Please explain how pointing out that the Holocaust happened makes one a “guilt peddler.” It’s not my fault if there is no evidence to support the claim that “Communists killed 100 million people.” The only way you get numbers like that is by doing some serious mental/logical gymnastics which, if applied to capitalism, would make that system responsible for far more deaths. If famine in an underdeveloped country which went socialist counts as “murder,” then it begs the question as to why the millions who have died from starvation and preventable disease in non-socialist countries aren’t considered to be victims of murder.
on March 14th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
“While Krafft’s work always has “had a very darkside to it,” Clark said that the art world had “assumed the dark side was ironic. In fact, everybody made that assumption.”
What is the saying? When you ASSUME something you make an ASS out of U and ME.
on March 14th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
I’ve not heard of Mr. Krafft before, but he turns out to be a rather interesting character. I did find a recent interview he did where he discusses his ideas and beliefs …quite revealing I must say.
http://bit.ly/Yeippn
on March 14th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Krafft’s work like anything else like real estate, paintings, stocks, etc. are always subject to market fluctuations which occur for whatever reason. That’s he way it is. Watch “Antique’s Roadshow” when they give the present and past values of works of art abd you’ll see that.
Wagner’s music may be great, but it is everyone’s right to listen to it or not for whatever reason he wishes.
The figure of six million Jews killed by the Nazis is valid based on Jewish population figures in European countries involved in WWII. That there have been other massacres does not diminish the absolute barbarity of the Holocaust. I have read dozens of books on the subject including those of deniers or revisonists like Arthur Butz and David Irving, an I’m convinced, as any reasonale should be that the Holocaust is an hstorical fact, that the figure is as accurate as will ever be arrived at, an that all deniers and revisonists are not seeking truth but are anti-Semites seeking to defame the Jewish people, my people, and destigmatize Hitler.
on March 14th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
Quite simply, Ruslan, because of the unconscionable and shameless inconsistency and hypocrisy, most usually, of the people who make a living out of “pointing out that the Holocaust happened.”
Then again, ARE you a member of some political pressure organization currently petitioning the Chinese government to build a Great Leap Forward memorial museum, along with your advocacy for the constant dredging up of the memory of the Holocaust? Surely you are.
Capitalism is a type of economic structure, not a type of government, you airhead. It can’t kill people any more than socialism.
on March 15th, 2013 at 6:13 am
Reynardine, careful about what you say about people from Georgia :P
On another note, inspired by this guy’s art, i am pleased to offer to interested parties (preferrably those who combine a proper combination of wealth and gullibility) an original Amy Winehouse teapot created by Erika’s Bargain Art for the bargain price of $1250. That is a much better deal than this Nazi loving guy offers and it supports a much more worthy cause, namely the Help Erika Pay Off Her Law School Loans Fund. Oh sure, i’m sure that his Amy Winehouse Tea Pot is way nicer but its still a Amy Winehouse teapot so its basically worthless junk. He also wants $125,000 for his worthless junk while my worthless junk is much cheaper.
(Cheaper but not a bargain because i plan to buy the cheapest teapot they have at Target and taping a picture of Amy Winehouse on it).
But if this works, i’ll move on to creating invisible Uzi statutes which are extremely ironic artistic commentaries on the nature of material goods and are yours for the bargain price of $600 (caveat emptor with that one) and of course paper cut out swasikas which make a highly ironic statement about fleecing hipsters out of their money at the bargain price of $50 a piece.
Or if you prefer, i can make more blue paper buttons with a swastika written on it in crayon and “Heil [name of person you don't like]” written on it – yours for the bargain price of $500 because it is a custom job.
And yes, i say “more blue paper buttons with swastikas because shamefully i actually did that (with a couple of friends) when i was in middle school. Needless to say when my mother caught us making these things she was not at all amused. If only i knew that we could call it a highly ironic art piece about the nature of evil and violence i might have avoided getting spanked. Okay, probably not because it was actually a completely unironic commentary about how mean middle school girls can be. But there still has to be some value to that especially since it is now a completely ironic commentary on how mean middle school girls can be – i’m thinking $500.
i know i may well risk saturating the irony market but Erika’s Clothes, Shoe, and Make Up Fund also needs funds and the best part is that if i call it highly ironic art its all perfectly legal and moral (okay the invisible Uzi statue is kind of pushing it – but you just know that if they put a bare base in a fancy gallery and it had a sign which said it is an invisible Uzi statute that some people would claim that its brilliant artistic statement and that you just don’t understand it – in fact as a brilliant artisitic statement that you just don’t understand the price for the invisible Uzi just increased to $6000) :P
on March 15th, 2013 at 10:36 am
“Capitalism is a type of economic structure, not a type of government, you airhead. It can’t kill people any more than socialism.”
Socialism is also an “economic structure”(the correct word is mode of production). Capitalism sure can kill people and it certainly has.
on March 15th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Brocky Horror Picture Show,
Capitalism can’t kill people? Tell that to the victims — on both sides — of the Banana Wars of the ’30s. Or did you conveniently forget Smedley Butler?
It’s not like he is one of the most highly decorated men this country has ever produced or anything.
on March 15th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
Tweedle-Ruslan and Tweedle-Aron, my dear twin Idiot Brigade, people are killed by OTHER PEOPLE – and the armies they command. And hunger and disease. All of those can occur and have occurred under any and every type of economic structure known to man. You’re engaging in extremely poor, third-rate, hackneyed, and ahistorical political propaganda and demagoguery by saying any one of them is single-handedly responsible for killing people. So save it.
on March 15th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
Eugene, you make some very good points. I could say that the great evil of the Nazis was that their killing was based on race and a dream world of perfect Totalitarian order. But also, you are correct that there is almost never any mention of the evils of Communism, anywhere.
on March 16th, 2013 at 9:12 am
Brock, back in the golden days of white supremacy and child labor that you love so much, hundreds of thousands of people a year were killed and maimed by capitalists. And that doesn’t even count the various wars between capitalist countries over who will control colonies and materials of production – that just counts the people killed in mines, industrial accidents, transportation accidents, and killed by shoddy products. In fact, even today thousands of people continue to be killled and maimed every year by capitalism. In fact, as any good capitalist will tell you killing people is just the price of doing business. In fact, capitalism has placed a price on all of our lives – and often it is shockingly low especially in the case where children are killed. Not so low that they don’t want to lower it even further through so called “tort reform” but think of all of the cheap junk we can get as a result.
But i do have an offer for you Mr. Henderson – for the bargain price of $500 each paid in American currency (no Confederate or made up money allowed!) to the Erika’s Clothes, Shoe, and Make Up Fund you can get back at us by buying an extremely artistic button saying “Heil Erika,” “Heil Ruslan,” or “Heil Aron” and displaying a swatiska. And you might wonder how it is you will get back at me by paying a vastly inflated price for my “art” but think of it as a deeply ironic commentary on feminism that thanks to a mysognist a feminist is going to be able to buy some cute or sexy clothes to better look appealling to men.
And brock, my adorable pig in a blanket, you should get back further at me by not only getting the “Heil Erika” button but getting a second button saying “Heil Princess Erika” since that is what i told you to call me. If you get to decide what portions of the Constitution to follow, i get to decide that i can ignore the no titles of nobility section and crown myself a Princess. Do you have any idea how much a platium and diamond tierra cost? But you can help me get one by buying a invisible Uzi statute for the bargain price of $6000 – and in fact i have an intire invisible arsenal available all at bargain prices which you are sure to want and hopefully will be sufficient to get my tierra. For example as an aspiring military strong man, you are going to need some invisible AK-47s – yours for $10,000 a piece – and think of the ironic statement about communism that a fan of unrgulated capitalism having an series of invisible AK-47 statutes will represent. Clearly being able to make such an ironic statement will be worth buying enough for them for me to get my tierra :)
And of course, any good princess is going to need a castle and some ponies – fortunately Princess Erika’s Bargain Art Emporium has the perfect art works for people looking to celebrate the glory days of unregulate capitalism. First, i present an invisble statute of two passenger trains colliding head on with each other – yours for the bargain price of $100,000. Second, you can have an original drawing by Princess Erika displaying the magestic form of the Titanic on the North Atlantic Ocean in the early morning light of April 15, 1912. That is a bargain at $5000. Third you have an original painted sign displaying both the motto of capitalism as well as the motto of Princess Erika’s Bargain Art Emporium: “Caveat Emptor” – perfect for operating your own store in an unregulated capitalist environment. Yours for $15,000! Fourth, you have reproduction gravestones commorating children killed on the job in the 1900s in industrial accidents – as a male supremacist and fan of the South you are sure to want several reproduction grave stones of young girls killed while working in southern textile mills. Yours for $7,000 apiece. You can create your own little cemetary of unmarked graves of young girls killed in industrial accidents since you actually think the families of children killed in industrial accidents could actually afford a grave stone? And what collector of art commorating unregulated capitalism won’t want an authenic lump of coal lovingly mounted on a display stand listing the number of miners killed in a mining disaster of your choice – yours for only $12,000!
And of course, if you really want to be a good Gilded Age Capitalist you can’t do it without a top coat, top hat, and a beard – fortunately Princess Erika is here to help you look the part brockie. Princess Erika is pleased to announce the formation of Princess Erika’s Gilded Age Fashions – where you can look the part of a robber baron at vastly inflated prices. For example, Princess Erika knows that you can’t be a good Gilded Age Capitalist if you aren’t lighting your cigars (see Aron for those, that is his area) with a $100 bill – therefore Princess Erika offers cigar lighting $100 bills at the bargain price of $1,000 a piece. And of course, that is by far the cheapest item in the store. The clothes will be the main attraction so you can look as attractive as such capitalist hereos as J.P. Morgan, John D. Rockefeller, or Grover Cleveland. Plain black frocks start at $10,000 a piece. And Princess Erika will have the women covered too – not that you Brock Henderson have any need for women’s clothes (unless of course you need or want to wear – i mean i won’t judge – a corset yourself). And of course, before setting sail on unregulated ocean liners a good Guilded Age gentleman is going to have to be prepared in case of the need to evacuate to the lifeboats (or maybe you just want to dress like a Guilded Age woman, i mean whatever floats your boat) – therefore, Princess Erika’s Guilded Age Emporium has a full line of stylish (100+ years ago of course) underwear, dresses, coats, and hats specially cut to accomodate a man. And of course, in the name of male supremacy they cost twice as much as the already riduculously expensive underwear, dresses, coats, and hats for women. Don’t just promote the policies of the late 19th Century – look the part of a Guilded Age Capitalist Hero or at least the wife of one with no separate identity of her own at Princess Erika’s Guilded Age Fashions.
And remember brockie, if you don’t call me Princess Erika the prices will double :P
on March 16th, 2013 at 10:01 am
“people are killed by OTHER PEOPLE – and the armies they command. And hunger and disease. All of those can occur and have occurred under any and every type of economic structure known to man.”
True, except that there’s a curious trend whereby when people died of hunger and disease under nations which claimed to be socialist, these excess deaths are treated as “murder” and genocide, whereas when they occurred(and in fact still occur) under non-socialist regimes, it’s just “unfortunate.”
“You’re engaging in extremely poor, third-rate, hackneyed, and ahistorical political propaganda and demagoguery by saying any one of them is single-handedly responsible for killing people. So save it.”"
You…Talking about ahistorical. No.
on March 16th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
@Reynardine
Yep, as I predicted, you’re right on schedule with another empty comment. I won’t be replying to your comments anymore until, as with Aron, you’re ready to provide any evidence that Krafft has said or done anything anti-semitic. And once again, no, being into conspiracy theories doesn’t make one an anti-semite.
@ everyone else:
So far I have to say that by including the quote from Campbell that Krafft is anti-semitic without providing any quotes or other evidence showing that Krafft has actually said or done something anti-semitic, this post by the SPLC has a very FOX News quality to it – that is, rather than coming out and officially making a charge that it can’t back up, it instead quotes someone making the baseless charge, thus throwing the anti-semite label out there into the discussion without actually having to justify it.
At the very least it’s a sleazy tactic, and at the most it’s a dangerous, sensationalistic way to go about things that could end up getting an innocent person who is not anti-semitic hurt.
I mean, we already have an example of two SPLC followers – Aron and Reynardine – who are ready to accept Campbell’s unsubstantiated charge that Krafft is an anti-semite without any questions or second thoughts, apparently just because they swallow whatever a post by the SPLC says. Multiply this by other sites which quote this post, and add thousands of readers across all sites, and you have the makings of some pretty vicious, very harmful innuendo.
I want to think the SPLC is better than this.
on March 16th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Ruslan, unlike the meticulous Germans, the Russians both did not keep good records and purged the ones they had. Believable figures for Stalin’s purges all range more than six million. Without evidence, I routinely assume 20 to 30 million. China always has numbers of everything that are staggering, so who knows? Cambodia’s killing fields I have trouble comprehending, as their leader had a quality education in France (not sarcasm …this time).
on March 16th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Kiwiwriter your remarks to Eugene on
on March 12th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
Are very interesting and I really enjoyed reading the questions.
You also brought up the fact that he appeared to have a fascination with loud and pushy black women. That is interesting.
Sometimes the loudest protest in a persons life is brought about by a love/hate relationship. I’m sure you’re aware of the fine line.
The opposite of love is not hate it’s indifference, because if you love someone you are emotionally involved, if you hate someone you are still emotionally involved. It is when you are indifferent that you have no attachments or feelings whatsoever.
@Ruslan: I have to admire the tireless effort put forth cleaning up a great deal of truckloads of stupid.
At some point I believe that a great deal of racist agenda’s, their hate, their very existence becomes like living in a field of cow pies. You know they are out there and eventually you’re going to step in one. Leaving you with the task of cleaning up the disgusting mess.
After a while the stench is less and less shocking as is the stupidity that starts to roll off of you when they begin to barf it up all over everyone in the room.
Perhaps one day we will be blessed with a better Universe, one that is completely absent of hate and violence.
Until then there are convoys of trucks out there full of stupid cow pie minded people.
on March 17th, 2013 at 10:50 am
It is a relief not to have to carry on a further conversation with a self- made dunce.
I join with concernedcitizen in congratulating Ruslan on his fortitude with the obdurate, and that of Erika as well. Varied and complex as my family tree might be, I have the entirety American vice of no damn patience. These two admirable examples to us all are still young. My bonehead hammer done wore out.
on March 17th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
Sam writes:
“Believable figures for Stalin’s purges all range more than six million. Without evidence, I routinely assume 20 to 30 million.”
Do you actually read what you write?
on March 17th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Red, I have given you evidence. Hell, I even googled it for you.
What more do you want? A notarized letter station that Chuck Krafft hates Teh Jooz?
I don’t swallow anything hook, line, and sinker, as I’m not a fish. I chew first and then swallow.
The fact that I trust the SPLC is apparently lost on you. C’est la vie!
on March 17th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
“Ruslan, unlike the meticulous Germans, the Russians both did not keep good records and purged the ones they had. Believable figures for Stalin’s purges all range more than six million.”
Incorrect, the Soviets kept meticulous records, and unlike the Germans, didn’t attempt to destroy any(since they had no reason to). The records of the purges were requested by Khruschev who planned to use them in his speech attacking Stalin in 1956. The actual amount of executions from 1921-1954 was just under 700,000. Figures running in the millions are based on a number of flawed methods, of which I have already alluded to.
on March 18th, 2013 at 6:35 am
Sam Malloy writes a very interesting opinion. It is true that you don’t hear much about the Communbists atrocities around the world. I assume that the Khmer Rogue killed 1.2 million people from 1975-1979 because these people were not followers of the KR regime. Back to my original point. You hear all about the horrors of the Nazi holocaust, it is crammed down our throats whenever it suits the purveyours of this propaganda. The sad true is that people like Ruslin trusts the Soviets’ reseach of the holocaust to be disturbing. Maybe he is a leftie (not left handed) As I said before millions of dollars have been made off of this topic by both the left and the right.
My problem is it is strange that we conceived the 6 million Jews numbers, but we don’t any numbers on the numbers on people with disabilities,mental patients, those who classified as mentally retarded and other groups. No I am not afraid the R word for those who are mentally retarded. A few years ago. Jennifer Anniston was roundly criticized for using the R word, when it actuality she was talking about herself. The liberal media and the conservative blew the whole thing out of proportin, like they always do.
on March 18th, 2013 at 10:12 am
“Wagner’s music may be great, but it is everyone’s right to listen to it or not for whatever reason he wishes.”
On a related note – yes, sure Richard Wagner had some negative attitudes towards Jews. But blaming him, a 19th century maestro of classical music, for the Holocaust and Nazism is a lot like blaming Willy Wonka for the prevalence of childhood obesity and juvenile diabetes.
on March 18th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Red said,
on March 14th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
“I’m afraid there’s nothing anti-semitic in the quote you cite …”
Does that include “The Jews have gotten white people to turn against themselves.”? Because that of course implies that Krafft agrees with the White Network’s declaration that Jews are not “white. And of course to a white nationalist, “not white” means “not worthy” and maybe even “not human.”
But once again, follow the link and read the full Stranger article for yourself instead of demanding that people spoon-feed you evidence that you obviously don’t want to see. There, you’ll also find this paradigmatic example of anti-Semitic stereotyping: “I think Jewish overrepresentation in national and international finance is uncontrovertible.”
What I’m wondering is why you’re so anxious to express skepticism about Krafft being a white nationalist and an anti-Semite. Could it be that you simply want to cover up the fact that Holocaust denial is inherently a reflection of a racist, anti-Semitic mindset?
on March 18th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Ruslan plays down Communist crimes and denies them. Then he lies and claims they kept accurate records of the number of people they killed. You can’t trust Communists to tell anything but lies. Of course Stalin had countless fake records created. What I understand to be true is the following:
1.) 7 million Ukrainians died in deliberate famine
2.) 5 million Volga Deutsch — gone, disappeared
3.) Millions of other ethnic minorities from Baltic nations and Caucasus — gone. Presumed dead.
4.) Clergy, pre-revolution business owners, Kulaks — gone. Sent to gulags. Many died.
5.) 1-2 million German women and girls — raped
6.) 3-5 million Axis POWS kept as slaves after WWII. Worked in Gulags. Died.
7.) Millions of ethnic German and other Axis civilians, taken as slaves and sent to Gulags for slave labor after war. Number unknown. Several million. Most died.
on March 18th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
” It is true that you don’t hear much about the Communbists atrocities around the world.”
Sure, because there’s no such thing as a guy named Glenn Beck who ran a series called “Revolutionary Holocaust” on his TV program on one of America’s most-watched cable news networks. There’s no such thing as a very popular book known as The Black Book of Communism, nor will one find numerous books touting such claims in the political section of any Barnes and Noble(that happens to be a store which sells books, in case you weren’t aware).
” I assume that the Khmer Rogue killed 1.2 million people from 1975-1979 because these people were not followers of the KR regime.”
Until they were driven out by Communist Vietnam. They tried to cling to power and launch a guerrilla war with aid from China, and this other major superpower which is located in North America.
” Back to my original point. You hear all about the horrors of the Nazi holocaust, it is crammed down our throats whenever it suits the purveyours of this propaganda.”
What exactly constitutes “crammed down our throats?” I hear a lot of stuff about the American revolution and Civil War. Is that “crammed” down our throats? World War II was arguably the most important event of the 20th century. The Holocaust, ALL of it, constituted a major part of that war.
” The sad true is that people like Ruslin trusts the Soviets’ reseach of the holocaust to be disturbing. ”
You do realize that much of the evidence for the Holocaust wasn’t simply provided by the USSR right? You also realize that the Soviet archives have been open for more than 20 years and nobody has managed to find so much as a note relating to fabricating any part of this massive “hoax?”
Moreover, the same governments you accuse of perpetuating the Holocaust are the very same which also accuse Communists of all sorts of atrocities. So you choose to disbelieve some of their claims while believing others? Sounds inconsistent to me.
There’s also another problem you guys never seem to be able to answer, and it is namely this: The USSR and the Communists are alleged to be the major creators of this hoax, yet Communist and even post-Communist sources don’t single out Jews as victims. You can check in Soviet films or even on some of the monuments which still stand to this day. For example, the memorial plaque at Babi Yar says, correctly, that 130,000 people were shot there. Only 30,000 of those were Jews. So if the Communists were supposedly behind this whole “hoax” to help Jews, why would they rarely if ever highlight the fact that the Jews were singled out? Soviet and Communist sources refer to these deaths simply as “people” or as citizens of their respective nations(i.e. Poles, Soviet citizens, etc).
Sounds like a pretty stupid mistake.
“As I said before millions of dollars have been made off of this topic by both the left and the right.”
How exactly did they make money off of it?
“My problem is it is strange that we conceived the 6 million Jews numbers, but we don’t any numbers on the numbers on people with disabilities,mental patients, those who classified as mentally retarded and other groups.”
Did you even bother to check? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....Non-Jewish
See how easy this is? Why didn’t you bother to check? I’d like you to explain why that was too difficult for you. It took me under 10 seconds. 10 SECONDS. What’s your excuse? You really expect us to believe you’re “just asking questions?”
on March 18th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
“It is true that you don’t hear much about the Communbists atrocities around the world. ”
No, not true at all.
Virtually every bona fide Communist party of any country has recognized the errors of Stalin. So if even the Communists are actively engaged in discussing the issue, and you still think it’s some big cover up, obviously you are simply not reading the right materials. Fortunately, there is a cure.
Here is a good starting point for you to become more informed, not only about Stalin’s historical acts, but about how contemporary Communism not only rejects any attempt to cover up or deny Stalin’s errors, but seeks to make them a permanent part of collective memory by clearly sorting out the truth from the distortions:
http://marxistleninist.wordpre.....n-and-mao/
You shouldn’t assume your ignorance is contagious. Come out of intellectual quarantine.
on March 18th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Gregory, I am just being honest. I have no evidence of how many people were murdered by the Communist Russian government. Neither does anyone else. The figure should include those killed immediately, obviously, and also people sent to slave labor camps in Siberia, the salt mines, the constructors of the Trans Siberian Railway, etc. who were given a predetermined but very limited estimated length of survival so as to predict the need for replacements. Other people who died early working hard jobs are, like estimates for the same thing in this country, an extremely flexible statistic. They did not have mass extermination camps and crematoriums like the Germans.
on March 18th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
@Solomon: Mc Donalds holds more stock in contributing to child obesity.
@ Sam: you’re right the SPLC is better than what you see here but there simply isn’t enough virtual space to contain the amount of intelligence that visits here.
So you will simply have to take what is given to you in small amounts.
The mere fact that Krafft has admitted in his own words that he is metaphorically breast feeding White Nationalism draws the logical conclusion that he is anti-Semetic.
The definitions and explanations of White Nationalism, provided here by the SPLC, are correct and accurate.
These definitions are widely accepted. The intelligence behind the definition does actually contain research. This can be confirmed by simply researching it for yourself.
While it is always entertaining and enticing to pull definitions out of the ether of ignorance it is not an acceptable resource when building a truly intelligent argument.
But we can find further defining information from the Library of Congress:
White supremacy movements
Here are entered works on social movements advocating the supremacy of the Caucasian race over other races.
URI(s)
http://id.loc.gov/authorities/subjects/sh88004109
info:lc/authorities/sh88004109
http://id.loc.gov/authorities/sh88004109#concept
Instance Of
MADS/RDF Topic
MADS/RDF Authority
SKOS Concept Offsite link
Scheme Membership(s)
Library of Congress Subject Headings
Collection Membership(s)
LCSH Collection – Authorized Headings
LCSH Collection – General Collection
LCSH Collection – May Subdivide Geographically
Variants
us: Supremacist movements, White
us: Supremacy movements, White
us: White supremacist movements
Broader Terms
us: Social movements
us: White nationalism
Related Terms
us: Skinheads
Sources
found: Random House.
found: Web. 3.
found: IAC (“White supremacist movements”)
found: Political science thes. (“White racism”)
found: LC database, June 6, 1988.
found: Wikipedia, Jan. 12, 2012 (White separatism and white supremacism are subgroups within white nationalism. The former seek a separate white nation state, while the latter add ideas from social Darwinism and National Socialism to their ideology)
@Red: Perhaps this will assist you in better understanding the most correct conclusions reached by Aron and Reynardine.
on March 19th, 2013 at 9:46 am
“Gregory, I am just being honest. I have no evidence of how many people were murdered by the Communist Russian government. Neither does anyone else. ”
Wrong. This information has been available for more than 20 years now.
” the constructors of the Trans Siberian Railway, etc.”
You realize that the Trans Siberian railway was completed before the revolution, right?
on March 19th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Hey Sam, the Trans-Siberian Railway was built before the fall of the Romanovs. But once again, nice try.
The Soviets kept meticulous records, and if you had even a single scholarly bone in your body you would know that.
Too bad you don’t, boychik.
on March 19th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
@ CM
1) “… to a white nationalist, not white means “not worthy” and maybe even “not human.”
Thus far, I’ve only ever heard Krafft self-identify as a “white advocate.” I’m not sure exactly what that is, but I don’t see any reason not to take him at his word, unless there’s a well known history of him lying all the time.
And even if Krafft has said he’s a “white nationalist,” I’m also not certain that being a “white nationalist” automatically makes one an “anti-semite.” Isn’t it possible to believe in whatever white nationalists believe without being a bigot towards Jews?
Obviously I’m not an expert, but applying one label to someone (white nationalist) and then saying that that label then automatically makes that person something else (an anti-semite) – when they haven’t said or done anything to warrant being called anti-semitic, doesn’t seem fair.
2) As far as the comment about Jewish overrepresentation in international finance goes, I think it’s safe to say that white WASPS, like Jews, are likely way overrepresented in terms of the power they wield over the rest of the world at least in proportion to their actual percentage of the global population.
Am I an anti-white racist for pointing this out? And if not, then why am I an anti-semite for pointing it out?
I understand there’s a history of anti-semites pointing this out, but can one point this out without being anti-semitic? Why not?
So no, still not seeing any anti-semitism. But I’m open to hearing some if you’ve got it.
Last, I’m skeptical of these charges against Krafft for two reasons:
1) Krafft has said he isn’t an anti-semite. I take people at their word until they show that they are liars. Why? Because I would hope to be treated the same way if I were ever tangled up in such a Kafka-esque situation. Wouldn’t you like to be taken at your word?
2) As someone familiar with the arts scene in the Pac NW, I don’t know Krafft, but I know a few fellow pop surrealist artists like Krafft who deal with controversial imagery (and who aren’t anti-semites!). Given the recent incident with the SPLC where some mentally disturbed person took info provided by the SPLC and then used it to try and murder someone, I fear for the physical safety of Kraftt and artists like Krafft who might fall afoul of someone who reads misleading stuff on this site and then decides to take extreme measures.
This is why I urge precision and care with language, especially when you take on the role of watchdog and have the aura of legitimacy that connections with government and law enforcement lend. If you can’t back it up – don’t say it and don’t quote it. People’s safety is at risk.
(And once again, no, being into conspiracy theories like holocaust revisionism doesn’t make one an anti-semite.)
on March 20th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
I think the moderators didn’t like my response to Sam, so I will try to play nicer this time.
Sam, when you admit you have “no evidence” to support your claim and then proceed to pull a huge number from thin air (or a region of your anatomy deemed indelicate by the mods), then your credibilty suffers.
As for the Trans-Siberian Railway, this is an easily checked fact not unlike the Kenyan Farthing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....nstruction
on March 21st, 2013 at 11:16 am
*sigh* looks like no one here wants to pay $10,000 for an invisible AK-47 sculpture so it seems that my future as a fabulously wealthy celebrity artist is bleek. and worse, i can’t even get that platium and diamond tiara that i want so i can be a princess or at least look like one so now i will have to go with plan B to get my tiara – Princess Erika’s Guilded Age Fashions. Now come and get your top hats and top coats and look like a well dressed robber baron – available in all of the sizes to fill robber baron needs – Extra Large, Extra Extra Large, Extra Extra Extra Large, Grover Cleveland, and William Howard Taft.
on March 21st, 2013 at 12:58 pm
Ruslan,
I can prove to you that race is a reality. Whites and blacks are not equivalent and interchangeable. Here are photos of albino black people:
http://weheartit.com/entry/269.....38;imgres=
Look closely at the facial features. The may have pink skin, light hair and eyes. But clearly, they are still not European individuals.
Race is not just skin color. How I determine who my people are is from facial features.
on March 23rd, 2013 at 1:55 am
Edward, you poor, pitiful individual, I realize that what we call “white” is not merely skin color. There are different skull shapes, for example. The problem, for you, is that the defining of these groups into “races” changed radically throughout history. For example, in the 18th and 19th century, English “raceologists” showed Irish as having a different facial structure, and they were considered to be part of the “Ibero-Irish race.”
Simply pointing out differences in physical features doesn’t prove that “race” exists anymore than pointing out the physical differences between two individuals makes them two different species.
on March 23rd, 2013 at 12:30 pm
“Secondly, nobody “gave” Eastern Europe to the USSR. The British and Americans acted in a similar manner to secure friendly governments in France, Italy, and Greece(where they used military force to restore the monarchy). The USSR was forced to fight through that territory(in Eastern Europe), much of which consisted of former Axis states which had invaded the USSR earlier.”
It was none other than our beloved dear president Franklin Roosevelt who’d gifted Eastern and Central Europe to the Soviets, with his “unconditional surrender” demand to the Axis nations in 1943. Stalin himself was willing to make a separate peace with Germans, as soon as they were pushed out of the Russian territory. He was very apprehensive and angered about this “unconditional surrender” precisely because of it, the Germans were now ready to fight to the bitter end and even more millions of Russian soldiers had to be wasted as cannon fodder so as to minimize the British and American casualties. It was because of Roosevelt, that the Russians, after the battle of Stalingrad were no longer waging a war of resistance as they were driving the Germans further back west and gaining more and more territory beyond the proper Soviet borders. They were waging a war of conquest.
Or reconquest, in the case of Baltic nations.
As for your remarks on post-communist life, I’ll just cover the Soviet Union here, rather than the whore Eastern Bloc.
“40 years later, the people of Eastern Europe are now free to experience massive unemployment… corruption”
Gee, and you don’t think that these problems were already decades in the making during the Soviet times? You don’t suppose the Soviet government under Khrushev or Brezhnev didn’t engage in massive arms race or space race and in the process diverted the vital Soviet finances from providing for their people’s necessary daily commodities and food? It’s not like just those severe food shortages and the mile-long lines alone at the grocery stores throughout the Soviet republics wouldn’t encourage graft and embezzlement from and by the Soviet civil servants and ordinary citizens alike, and sow the seeds of the “massive corruption” that we’ve seen after 1991. Right?
“ethnic wars and persecution”
And tell us please, wasn’t it your beloved Lenin and Stalin who arbitrarily played fast and loose with the ethnic republics and autonomous regions with their ethnic policies in the first place and in the process forcing historically hostile populations into an uncomfortable coexistence, especially during 1920s, 1930s and 1940s? Actions like placing Abkhaz and Ossetian replublics within Gerogian SSR, creating Tadjik, Uzbek and Kyrgyz enclaves and exclaves outside those peoples’ actual republics’ boundaries, placing historically Persian-speaking cities of Bukhara and Samarkand within the Turko-Mongol inhabited Uzbek SSR rather than the Tadjik SSR where those cities actually belonged, and possibly the single worst criminal action of all – liquidation of Chechen and Ingush republics accompanied with with mass murder and ethnic cleansing of their ENTIRE native Nakh populations.
on March 23rd, 2013 at 3:16 pm
“It was none other than our beloved dear president Franklin Roosevelt who’d gifted Eastern and Central Europe to the Soviets, with his “unconditional surrender” demand to the Axis nations in 1943″
Moron, did you even read my post?
.” Stalin himself was willing to make a separate peace with Germans, as soon as they were pushed out of the Russian territory.”
Wrong.
“Gee, and you don’t think that these problems were already decades in the making during the Soviet times? ”
In part of the Soviet times, yes, for reasons I’ll not go into in this thread because it would go WAY off topic. But here’s the kicker- the “Soviet times” have been over for more than 20 years.
“And tell us please, wasn’t it your beloved Lenin and Stalin who arbitrarily played fast and loose with the ethnic republics and autonomous regions with their ethnic policies in the first place and in the process forcing historically hostile populations into an uncomfortable coexistence, especially during 1920s, 1930s and 1940s? Actions like placing Abkhaz and Ossetian replublics within Gerogian SSR, creating Tadjik, Uzbek and Kyrgyz enclaves and exclaves outside those peoples’ actual republics’ boundaries, placing historically Persian-speaking cities of Bukhara and Samarkand within the Turko-Mongol inhabited Uzbek SSR rather than the Tadjik SSR where those cities actually belonged, and possibly the single worst criminal action of all – liquidation of Chechen and Ingush republics accompanied with with mass murder and ethnic cleansing of their ENTIRE native Nakh populations.”
The mass murder of the Nakh populations? Well then why do they still exist today?
on March 23rd, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Well, “Solomon”. Another fake Jew… or maybe the same one.
on March 23rd, 2013 at 11:22 pm
@Ruslan: interesting Ruslan because I believe that most of us tell our people by overall recognition including their names, times spent together, relationships, friendships, tone of voice, mannerisms, etc.
Everyone you may arbitrarily pick out as your people may not wish to claim you as any part of their family, friends, center of influence, acquaintance or tribe…just a little food for thought.
on March 23rd, 2013 at 11:23 pm
oops that last remark was not for Ruslan correction it was for EDWARD…
Sorry about that Ruslan: I was reading your response to Edward and thoroughly agreed with you.
on March 24th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Ruslan, you know what I just found out? Anthropological knowledge has INCREASED since the 18th and 19th centuries! Wouldn’t you know it? What they referred to as “race” back then is obviously what we now call ETHNICITY.
on March 24th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
“Ruslan, you know what I just found out? Anthropological knowledge has INCREASED since the 18th and 19th centuries!”
Yes, scientists have found out that there is no basis for the idea of “race.”
on March 24th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
He”Race” has been used to include everything from one family line (“She wished to procure me because I was of good race”- Edward Rochester in Jane Eyre, where “race”referred to the noble house of Rochester) to what *the law* contemplates as a nation: those who owe their allegiance to one sovereign, and are entitled to that sovereign’s protection (Winston Churchill, not a dumb man, spoke of the American race). The assorted “races” of early physical anthropologists were subtypes: no sane person would, in the modern sense, assert that a Dane and a Latvian are different “races”. Churchill spoke of very physically similar (and near neighbor) groups in the Raj, as different “races”, however, because they did not feel allegiance towards either the Raj or a future state of India, but to their own tribe, clan, or caste. Most physical anthropologists agree that currently, the human species does not even have subspecies, as even the San people are genetically intertwined with the rest of us not to be so classed. We have been entirety too promiscuous and mobile for any of that.
on March 24th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
My effing Pantech keyboard has malfunctioned again
on March 25th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
And these, Ruslan, must be the “scientists” who can’t find a scientific basis for the idea of gravity or evolution. You keep on letting THOSE scientists educate you, and have fun with it.
on March 26th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Can’t find a scientific basis for gravity or evolution?
Wow. We sure have a winner here!
on March 26th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Aron, what are you, 8 years old? You’ve been reduced to the Pee-Wee Herman “I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I” rejoinder? You’re scraping the bottom of the barrel, bubbeleh.
on March 27th, 2013 at 9:34 am
Brock, we all love communicating mind to mind, but yours offers too small a target.
on March 27th, 2013 at 10:20 am
Brock, you made a statement denying the scientific existence of gravity and evolution. That was a very silly statement.
And now you are mocking my Jewish faith. There was no reason for that. You are a seriously deranged individual, and you seem to be representing a threat to both yourself and others.
Please seek help.
on March 27th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Uh sorry, Gregory. That was not supposed to be written as your name.
For some reason my browser auto-filled your apparent info.
Though aside from the fact that I don’t think you’re a Tribesman, I doubt you’d disagree with my sentiments ;-)
on March 27th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
Aron.
Aron!
I was directing my comment at Ruslan, and the type of scientific “education” HE has obviously received! Or maybe you’re also so enthusiastically on board the race-denial crazy train that you truly believe that’s completely different from gravity- or evolution-denial, ergo you thought I must have been describing my own beliefs.
Race is a biological reality, Aron. YOU and RUSLAN might as well deny gravity and evolution while you’re at it. Get it? This is not me we’re talking about!
Good God.
Speaking of which: Judas invests? Remember that? Yeah, anytime you want to mock somebody else’s faith, be prepared for at least a morsel of a comeback.
on March 27th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Awwww, was Brock offended when I took down a peg, the person who attempted to proselytize to me?
Slight difference there, chump.
And race is NOT a biological identity, no matter how much you and Jared Taylor scream about it. And frankly, I wouldn’t put it past you to be anti-evolution, anti-Newtonian physics, a flat-Earther, AND a geocentric.
In short, your foolishness knows no bounds. Now go complain to your beloved sixth grade teacher. I’m sure you and he will get a big laugh over Aron, the Stupid Kike.
(Also, do you remember when you told me that because I was Jewish, I couldn’t possibly understand Christian compassion? Yeah, you wouldn’t know compassion if it came and gave you a big hug.)
on March 27th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
What faith, Brock? Exactly what are you * for*? Be specific. Answer like a man, not a weasel.
on March 28th, 2013 at 8:23 am
Aron, i’m pretty sure that brock believes in the brockocentric theory of the universe.
on March 28th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Aron, there is only a logical basis for YOU to be a flat-earther, geocentrist, or creationist, if you’re the one who denies the scientific fact of different races – one fully confirmed by anthropological evidence up the wazoo. You have been the science-denier so far in our discourse. I fully accept all scientific evidence concerning life and the world around us. You do not.
I just simply said that traditional Christian ethics and morality are things you wouldn’t understand. Didn’t say that I was an exemplar of such things. As I admitted in a previous comment, I’m definitely not.
on March 28th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Reynardine, forthcoming. Perhaps tomorrow. Need to reacquire my bearings.
on March 28th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
And why wouldn’t I understand Christian ethics and morals?
Based upon what I’ve read, I have a greater understanding and affinity for the Sermon on the Mount than you ever will.
And ‘race’ is confirmed by anthropological evidence? Let’s see those peer-reviewed scientific journals, Brock. To use your delightful term, I’m sure you’ve got them ‘up the wazoo.’
on March 28th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Oh, and Brock you need to ‘reacquire your bearings?’
More like ‘beg my beloved sixth-grade teacher to cobble together some white-supremacist bunkem for me.’
You’re a fraud, Brock. A fraud and a troll. You exist here only to provoke conflict. You have lost.
on March 29th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Lighten up there, Alinsky. What I’m trying to decide to type or not type has little to do with race. Do you believe that all white supremacists obsess over race 24/7, Aron? Is that the caricature you’ve drawn up in your mind? . . . But yes, I am here to provoke conflict. The SPLC deserves no less.
Well here you go, Reynardine, for starters: I am FOR the traditional Christian family structure, featuring nearly-absolute male authority, sex for procreation only, many children, no government recognition of marriages higher than the county level, and I am FOR the traditional remedies for problems such as domestic abuse – intervention by family members and the churches, not the government. I am FOR traditional rape laws – meaning that a virgin woman who is a model for young girls and an example of feminine virtue to the men, who is attacked, subdued, and forced into sexual intercourse by a stranger who is not her husband and not related to her, is a victim of rape. A bar-hopping tramp is not.
I am also FOR the American status quo ante bellum, concerning the structure of our government.
My land to which I have ancestral claims spans the entire country from east to west, being Californian and having colonial-era ancestry. The cities of Chico, Oakland, Hayward, Clovis, Bakersfield, Pine Grove, Jackson, Sacramento, and Elk Grove are all places here in the Golden State where either I, my parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, or great-great-grandparents have made their mark. Before CA there was Donna, TX, Ft. Smith, AR, Ft. Scott, KS, Cassville, MO, a few towns on the Mississippi River border region between MN and WI, and Bedford, IN. Going back about a century, that’s where I came from. Those are my roots. My ancestors paved the way in those places for me to be here, on the other side of the continent. That’s my pride that I’m showing you, in being the California offspring of American westward migrants. For us, pretty much all of America is our land. And I’m FOR it.
on March 29th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Well, Brock, you appear to want most of the United States, but I fail to see that you have any claim on it superior to mine, for example. Please explain why you do, and then explain what you regard as the status quo, and ante which bellum.
on March 29th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Ah, so fuck the Jews, right Brock?
It’s not like they ever did anything for society…
How about slaves? Are you for traditional Christian slaves? Or rape? Traditional Christian rape?
Or how about mixing of cloth? Can’t have that, now, can we! That’s a sin!
You’re a silly little boy, Brock. And you’re destined to die alone and unloved.
on March 29th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
So basically Brock is for total male domination and total male supremacy with women basically being property whose sole purpose is to have lots of babies.
His views on rape are way beyond offensive and extremely appalling since apparently he believes that only a virgin who is a “model of feminine virtue to the men” whatever that could possibly mean (my guess is that he means a woman who looks pretty, keeps her mouth shut, and lets men do all the thinking for her) can be raped. apparently he believes that women fall into only two categories – virgins who are virtuous models of femininity or “tramps” and that a woman who is not a virgin, or not a “model of the feminine virtue” (translation, a woman with a mind of her own) according to brock’s own definition automatically a “bar hopping tramp” who apparently men are given free reign to rape.
The worst part of brock’s views about “traditional rape” (seriously, he actually calls it “traditional rape”) is that apparently Brock believes in the concept of corrective rape – and thinks that men should rape offending women (such as outspoken feminist attorneys) to get them to comply to his views of male domination.
Seriously, Brock not only views women as doormats and appliances for men’s sole use and enjoyment, he is also pro-rape. i knew that he was a men’s rights mysognist bozo and he totally proved it. In fact, his view of women is one which is rarely seen within the last decade outside of cult leaders or serial rapists..
Small wonder then that he can’t seem to find the right girl!
on March 29th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
“last decade” was a mistake
it should be that Brock’s view of women and rape is one which is “rarely seen within the last century”
on March 29th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
On parsing your definition of rape, I also note the following:
A. It is perfectly legal to violate another man’s wife.
B. It is perfectly legal to violate one’s mother, sister, daughter, granddaughter, niece, or cousin.
Please clarify if this is what you intend. If it is, why is this an ideal relationship between the sexes, and what do you propose to do with any resulting freaks? If it isn’t what you intend, please rephrase in a way that makes clear what you do intend. State your position like a man, not a weasel.
on March 29th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Brock writes :
“Do you believe that all white supremacists obsess over race 24/7…”
Uh, yes, that is what makes you a White Supremacist. Most likely, the last “good” thing that happened in your life was that you were born with a white skin.
As for any ancestral claim to the land you occupy, I think the original inhabitants would dispute your authority to declare a “nation” by merely planting your white ass at the Iron Door Saloon.
It is clear from your voluminous comments that you are deeply engaged in a fantasy world. You coyly make a distinction between your “nation” and the political state that you occupy, which is an exercise most college sophomores indulge while drunk or stoned in the wee hours of the morning. From your narrowly drawn definition of a nation, it is clear that yours will never number more than a dozen or so, depending on how many children you father with your mail-order bride.
on March 31st, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Gregory, your insinuation that there are no dimensions to human existence except the individual and the state, which begets the view that the state must be the ultimate arbiter of each individual’s relationship with another, is typical of leftists. It is also explicitly totalitarian.
And there are many modern-day countries begun by people who were not the original inhabitants of the land on which said countries are situated. Let me guess, in your twisted and silly little mind you consider that theft. Guess what? It isn’t. Thank you.
I just got accepted to a university, Sacramento State, here in CA. Is that a “good” enough thing to happen in my life? By the way, I simply believe that Caucasoidal people, especially those of the Christianized stripe, will always have the monopoly on civilization. There’s nothing obsessive about that. If I become acquainted with evidence to the contrary one day, I will change my beliefs accordingly.
Erika, you are free to label us – the men AND WOMEN who are proud to call ourselves the advocates of traditional Christian sex and gender roles – anything you want. It makes thing easy for your tiny little mind, crippled by your hatred as it is, doesn’t it? But Erika, how can you use those labels honestly? As I just noted, there are WOMEN in the movement you call “men’s rights.” And there are many who were living lives identified by the bar scene, short skirts, no underwear, very low-cut tops, and promiscuous sex with the most predatorial type of men who would be happy to take advantage of women without blinking an eye. They, Erika, would be more than happy to get in your face and tell the likes of you that YOU are NOT a friend of women at all, but rather their enemy. But it makes it easy to justify your views, doesn’t it, Erika, the constant repetition of the idiotic yet simple lie that you’re an advocate for women and all your enemies are men?
on April 1st, 2013 at 3:09 am
My dear Brock: Get off your spurious and quite worthless, silly “pride” of early violent colonialist settlement and it’s concommitant balloon-headed turfiness. That garbage should have been dead in the water eons ago. My maternal grandfather’s family was settling in what is now northern Mexico in 1565, while by coincidence don Pedro Menendez Valdés of my maternal grandmother’s lineage was murdering French Huguenots at the behest of his boss Carlos V, and founding what is now San Agustin, Florida–the oldest continuously inhabited European settlement in what is now the U.S. That would be some 75 years before the Pilgrims showed their quite equally as greedy, murderous and perfidious faces on the eastern seaboard, and considering the treatment of the indigenous peoples here and in Mexico, and their present beleaguered and oppressed condition, nothing to boast about. Canada? Same difference. While the present day Canadian government continues an even more escalated rip-off of First Nations lands, minerals and petroleum and deliberately effecting their weakening and impoverishment, and even assaulting the women because of their tribal power, the racist Canuck media conveniently poses native peoples as ignorant and depraved drunks and welfare rats, which Canadians of European origin lap right up. Canadians are not as benign as they are depicted in U.S humor. Your “special pioneer-stock entitlements” are all in your head. Do us all a favor and get over yourself. California itself was flooded in 1849 by armed, violent and uneducated (uneducated for that era means Bible-belt) settlers of insular and limited culture who, annoyed and envious at obvious Mexican, Peruvian and Chilean mining expertise and subsequent successes, passed an exhorbitant “Foreign Miner Tax” and drove Latinos from the Gold Fields. As now these pale-skinned interlopers found a Mexican’s life worthless, and we who were rarely armed, were murdered often for little or no reason by these “colorful Argonauts”, that is when they weren’t fervently and dedicatedly killing and dispossesing the remaining indigenous California tribes, tribelets and families not yet so graced by the Spanish and their soldiers, priests, “Indian Hunts”, forced labor, epidemics, sexual abuse and genocide. Fortunately my Mexican Indian grandmother taught me at a tender age to always respect other cultures, what happened to you? You must have a serious inferiority complex, and feel pretty insignificant without that “pioneer special entitlement” crap.
on April 1st, 2013 at 6:56 am
brock no doubt wants to go back to the “traditional understanding of marriage and rape” that existed during Biblical times – namely that if a woman gets raped she either has to marry her attacker or get stoned to death.
on April 1st, 2013 at 9:55 am
Brock: the Dravidians of the Indus Valley had quite an intricate civilization when the ancestors of your ancestors were peeing their fur britches. The Dravidian stock of the Padma estuary are people you may thank whenever you wear pajamas, drink tea, put on anything made of silk, sit on a veranda, or watch fireworks. Admittedly, all these arts were further developed by the Chinese, who weren’t “Caucasian”, either… and the actual denizens of the Caucasus, many of whom you would not pronounce “white”, were akin to civilizations so old your ancestors didn’t even * have* britches then.
And now: what do you propose to do with all the freaks born of the incestuous violations you propose to legalize? What recourse does a man have whose wife is violated by another man? Why do you, whose ancestors have been in the country a hundred years, have a superior claim to mine, whose ancestors all were here longer than that; to Coral Sea’s, whose ancestors arrived on the Mayflower, or to Mr. Perales’s, whose ancestry traces further than that? Answer like a man, not a weasel.
on April 1st, 2013 at 10:42 am
Again, Brock constructs a strawman and calls it a leftist.
Good luck at Sac State. Let us know if you last more than two semesters.
on April 1st, 2013 at 11:04 am
Brock, you were accepted to Sacramento State? Good for you!
A third rate school for a fifth rate personality. Have fun making friends on campus! They’re going to LOVE you.
on April 1st, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Reynardine, I have said a few times that the entirety of my American ancestry also goes back to colonial times. The last hundred or so years is simply the short period of time of which I gave you a narrative. If you and CoralSea also have American colonial ancestry, then yes, your claims to an authentic American identity, as far as blood and soil are concerned, are as strong as mine.
Interesting. Where is the Indus Valley? And where are these Dravidian people now? What happened to this civilization?
Yes I would call ALL Caucasoidal people white. It’s not a term literally denoting a pale skin color, so far as I know. I don’t use it that way, that is. Ever seen a large gathering of Basque, Spanish, Portugese, or southern Italian people? You’ll see a lot of people with darker-than-olive-colored skin. They are still members of the white race.
As for your rape questions, allow me to do a little research first.
Aron, wow, a leftist implying that he is superior to someone else because of where he went to school! Never saw that coming! Please keep surprising me!
on April 1st, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Aron,
George W. Bush did his undergrad at Yale and his MBA came from Harvard. Presumably those are first rate schools in your opinion. Just sayin….
What is interesting about Sacramento State is the demographics of the student population. 57% of the students are female and 40% of the total student body are white. Roughly 47% of the Bachelor Degrees awarded in the 2012 academic year went to black students. Ruh roh!
One assumes that Brock will be more polite because he is not separated by two screens, distance and anonymity from those he is deliberately antagonizing. On the other hand, I doubt that he has the social skills necessary to communicate his bizarre world view without provocation, given the seething anger of his communiques here.
What a shock it will be to him when he discovers that he doesn’t hold a monopoly on civilization and that he is not as intelligent or capable as most women.
on April 2nd, 2013 at 8:38 am
“Small wonder then that he can’t seem to find the right girl!”
Erika, maybe it’s just no one ever taught Brock about the little man in the boat.
on April 2nd, 2013 at 10:15 am
Where is the Indus Valley? Brock, you’re not only a weasel, you’re a dumb weasel
on April 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 am
“One assumes that Brock will be more polite because he is not separated by two screens, distance and anonymity from those he is deliberately antagonizing.”
First of all, Brock Henderson is my real name. Kind of takes care of the anonymity, doesn’t it? Secondly, I reserve my displays of antagonism towards the Left for the SPLC Hatewatch blog. I have never trolled any other blogs, ever. I also don’t regularly engage leftists in debate face-to-face. That’s because they pretty much don’t actually debate anybody unless it’s on their terms, which are tailor-made to eliminate any logical premises for conservative positions. And when I’m on campus, yes indeed, Gregory, I will be keeping my views to myself to the best of my abilities. Why, you wouldn’t be warning me about the undeniable truth about the Left, would you? – that nobody is more remorselessly hostile and hateful towards their political opposition than them? Already knew it, thank you! Now, care to point out where I ever said that I am the pinnacle of civilization? I believe that about the West, and its native people who created that civilization. That’s a whole society I’m referring to, not ME.
on April 2nd, 2013 at 11:48 am
brock, there are at least hundreds and probably thousands of distinct Christian groups – many of which have vastly differing views of sex and gender. So what exactly is the “traditional Christian belief?” In fact, about the only place where you can find a truly Christian belief in the role of women is to at the teachings and activities of Jesus Christ, but if you do, don’t be surprised when it doesn’t support what you think it does.
Indeed, the teachings by Jesus indicating the equality of women as well as the prominent role of women in the early church were just two of the many things which got largely erased from Christianity as Christianity became more established and ultimately became the establishment. In fact, while the Apostles continued to speak out against wealth (another part of Christianity which has gotten largely erased over time – right about the time that the Christian Church became the established church of the Roman Empire) they quickled closed a door on an equal role of women despite Jesus’s teachings favoring such a role.
Jesus was also hardly the prude that many of his current followers were – as i’ve noted previously, The Bible has a very interesting view of Prostitution – in fact, the historic evidence suggests that Prostitution was legal and accepted within the Ancient Hebrew Society. Jesus’s earliest documented followers included prostitutes and he spoke out against the enforcement of hypocritcal and discriminatory laws against sexually active women. Indeed, he preached that every person was in fact guilty of adultry (or more generally lust) so that enforcing laws based solely upon morality was inot proper for society or religious leaders. In fact, as Jesus ultimated tought, all people are sinners and saved by grace (which is not to say as some such as Jack T. Chick say that people are saved only by grace – Jesus’s teachings clearly require people to engage in works to help others as well).
In short, the only possible indication for what a Christian view of gender is – which is the life and teachings of Jesus Christ does not support your views. If you are going to follow a Christian view of gender and sex you will not judge others because we all fall short of living a perfect life and you will view women as being equal as they are equal in the eyes of God. That is what Jesus taught.
You do not follow what Jesus taught – instead you are picking the parts of the Old Testament which support your belief (in the mysogny category there are some rather unfortunately things in the letters as well). You rail against sins which are based upon Ancient Hebrew laws which Christians are not expected to follow and are only of historic interest.
Instead what you call a “traditional” Christian role of sex and gender is one which selects passages from the Old Testament which support male supremacy and support a prudish view of sex (at least by women, since according to the Old Testament prostitution is okay even if being a prostitute isn’t). Quite simply, you are listening to the words of men who are seeking to justify their domination and applying them where they should not be placed.
If you really believed in Christianity you would not be a male supremacist – you would not be a white supremacist – you would realize that those ideologies are incaptable with Christianity because in God’s eyes we are all equal and all worthy of love.
on April 2nd, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Gregory, I’m sorry. That was an unfair comment I made, and I apologize for it.
Brock, I’m not better than you because I went to a better school. I am better than you because you are human sewage.
on April 3rd, 2013 at 12:55 pm
The Martrydom of St Brock, coming to a university near you. Those mean old leftists just won’t acknowledge the logical premise of White Supremacy!
Here’s a pro-tip for you, Mr Henderson. Conservative women will find your views about women and rape just as repellent and wrong as liberal women find them. Actually, the only people who might agree with you in that area are the Taliban. Oh, the irony.
Conservatives will also find your view of constitutional history to be as misguided as any “liberal” scholar. Those same conservatives would probably consider many of your statements made here to be unpatriotic and unAmerican, as their jingoism tends to be somewhat less nuanced than you might expect.
on April 3rd, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Evidence, Erika, please. And remember what we’re talking about – this goes far above and beyond the simple act of staying one’s hand with a stone in it, because we’re all sinners and cannot cast stones. You have just basically said that Jesus advocated the radical individualist, or permissive, society, where each individual is a completely autonomous person, fully justified in whatever activities their fleshly bodies wish to engage in. Explicit evidence, please.
By the way, Christians consider the writings of Peter, Paul, and John to be just a wee bit important. There is much more to Christianity than just Christ’s red-lettered words. That is a fact that is now pushing two millenia old. Get it?
Gregory, both of your statements concerning conservative women and Constitutional law professors are provably false. Thanks!
on April 3rd, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Aww, Aron the typically civil and good-mannered Jew doesn’t approve of my beliefs! My ego is battered and bruised!
on April 3rd, 2013 at 5:03 pm
“Gregory, both of your statements concerning conservative women and Constitutional law professors are provably false. Thanks!”
Fair enough. Prove it.
on April 3rd, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Oh, they’re provably false Brock? Let’s hear some proof.
And a citation from whence you found said ‘proof.’
None of that colo-rectal ‘evidence’ which you throw around so freely, this time.
on April 4th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Brock, remember to “judge not lest ye be judged.” You are incredibly judgmental of others who do not share your incredibly prudish view of sex (which in any case i strongly suspect is much more based upon “performance anxiety” than morals)
And it would also help if you realized that there is in fact a tremedously large middle ground between having only loveless sex with your wife for the sole purpose of forcing some small child to have you grow up with you as her father and indiscriminatorily having sex with anyone for money.
on April 4th, 2013 at 9:47 am
brock, i asked you a long time ago to name the Constitutional law professors who share your views – you never have named a single one. that tells me loud and clear that you know that you can’t
i’ve named several people who disagree with your views including such notable leftists as Antonin Scalia.
on April 4th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Phyllis Schlafly and Kevin Gutzman
on April 5th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Brock, it figures.
on April 5th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Schlafly is not a professor and Gutzman is an historian.
But nice try, Dumber than a Bag of Brocks.
on April 5th, 2013 at 10:42 am
really brock, Phyllis Schlafly??? For someone who tells women to be a “stay at home” doormat type who lets their husbands rule, she sure spends (or spent as the case may be) a lot of time outside of the house working in the public eye. Some might say that is a tad bit hypocritical of her.
And this Kevin Gutzman guy doesn’t exactly sound very mainstream – or very impressive – at all. Mainstream people don’t appear as guest on The Political Cesspool or write for Regency’s laughable Politicall Incorrect guide series (which would be more properly termed Incorrect Guides). Oh sure, he’s able to find some university (i’m assuming here that Western Connecticut State University is in fact a real university because i’ve never heard of it) someplace to hire him as a “historian” – but the fact that no accredited law school would hire this guy as a law professor despite him having a J.D. and a Ph.D. speaks volumes about what people really think of his view of the Constitution. When someone is too much of a wacko to get hired as a law professor it means that you are really a wacko. Yes, he may teach Constitutional history, and he may have a law degree, but he’s not a Constitutional Law scholar – he’s not published anything in a law review or anything about law as opposed to his history – i’ve seen no evidence that he has ever practiced law or done anything in his life besides trying to spend as much time as possible in school to avoid the real world (where libertarian theory quickly gets crushed by reality).
Irony of irony though, your anti-government libertarian source seems to have spent the entirity of his adult life either going to public universities or working for one. That makes him as much of a hypocrite as Phyllis Schlafey.
But it is nice that you finally admitted exactly whose script you are reading from.
on April 5th, 2013 at 11:10 am
Christianity judges sin, Erika. Roots it out, and rebukes it, to be more specific. God judges sinners. Get that? There’s a difference between the sin and the person committing it.
on April 5th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
brock, who says that a married woman using birth control and having sex with her husband because she enjoys it is a sin? Hint, its not God.
on April 5th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
question two for brock:
who says that it is a sin for women to work outside of the home and to have minds of their own?
once again the same hint – it isn’t God.
on April 5th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
The mainstream, Erika? Haha, you sound like some insecure kid in middle school who watches MTV every evening to make sure she knows what’s cool, hip, and in, and what’s lame and out, or what the geeks do. What is the defining feature of this “mainstream,” Erika? Constantly twisting one’s self into intellectual pretzels to justify the legal existence of an overstretched and morally and financially bankrupt imperial regime? Thanks but no thanks, I’ll stay out of the mainstream.
I don’t think Gutzman is a libertarian. And while I don’t know everything about libertarianism since I am not one, I don’t think they’re against all government to begin with. Sounds more like anarchism, which he definitely does not subscribe to. Anti-Federalist or Republican in the mold of Patrick Henry or Thomas Jefferson is a better description of Gutzman. I can see that you are desperate to create a strawman version of him to beat, and really wish to marginalize him because you feel threatened by his views.
And I was answering Gregory’s question about women who simply agree with my views, not women who are tenured professors, Aron and Erika. Last but not least, Erika, please tell me where and when I said that women should always stay at home and never have jobs.
on April 5th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
Phyllis Schlafly and Kevin Gutzman
That’s it? That constitutes your rebuttal?
Well, why not? In the imaginary nation of Brockistan these people wield considerable influence. In the Real World that the rest of us live in, not so much.
on April 5th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Brock, goddamn it, get psychiatric attention.
Erika, this guy is too scattered to be even a malignant narcissist. A grandiose paranoid schiz is nothing that can be dealt with in a forum like this one. I am asking the Hays Office to put a stop to this charade now. I’m serious.
on April 5th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Well Brock, if you were responding to Gregory why didn’t you bloody say so, you dolt? And then you have the gall to chide us for your own poor writing.
Tut tut, Brockie. Some you’re not an English major: you’re a Pidgen English major.
on April 5th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Brock, because i had never heard of Kevin Gutzman and had no idea who he was, i looked him on the internet to find out who he was – he lists himself as a “libertarian” and posts material on well known “libertarian” websites. He also backed self proclaimed “libertarian” Ron Paul for President. He also writes scholarly articles for a self described libertarian journal.
Now if you want to argue that he is not really a libertarian (and there would be strong evidence including his opposition to the incorporation of the Bill of Rights to apply to the states and general opposition to individual liberty – real libertarians since they are strongly in favor of individual liberties are in favor of incorporation of the Bill of Rights since it favors individual liberty) you can. i’d even agree with you, because a real libertarian supports personal liberty and your guy doesn’t. But since he calls himself a libertarian i’ll let him.
As far as whether he is a source you should take seriously, check out this harsh review of one of his books from a conservative group:
http://www.claremont.org/publi.....detail.asp
or just look at the key points (and remember this is coming from a right winger reviewing the book for a right wing group):
“But alas, the first two-thirds of this book [covering the Constitutional convention through the Civil War] are wrongheaded, tendentious, and bizarre”
“Readers can be excused for suspecting that he does not actually like the Constitution very much.”
and the conclusion: “Gutzman is a neo-Confederate who resents the course our history has taken since the first day of the Philadelphia Convention.”
So yes honey, your views are completely outside of the mainstream based upon a guy who even conservatives consider “wrongheaded,” “bizarre,” and a “neo-Confederate” as your sole source for everything about U.S. history and law.
on April 5th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Brock you fool here above is where you said that you oppose women working outside of the home:
“I am FOR the traditional Christian family structure, featuring nearly-absolute male authority, sex for procreation only, many children”
If you somehow think that your above stated view allows for women working outside of the home you are even more foolish than i had thought.
on April 5th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
brock, why would i find the views of a neo-Confederate who i never heard of whose views are mocked basically outside of the Mises Institute and the League of the South threatening. i simply find it hilarious that you are so foolish and stupid as to actually find him to be a reputable source.
on April 6th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Erika, why should I trust YOU on the subject of what is respectable inside CONSERVATIVE circles? Chickens don’t take advice from foxes on how to build a safe and secure henhouse.
Hmmm, you know what I just figured out? It IS possible for a household to be run by a father and husband who IS entrusted with all authority over the family, and also DOES allow the wife and mother to have a job outside the home.
Ron Paul doesn’t call himself a libertarian anymore, so far as I know.
The “wrongheaded” criticism does have an actual point to it, so I’ll check it out, but as for the next two . . . oh yeah, they DON’T. They simply restate my own opinions, and that of Gutzman, and emptily imply that said opinions are those of the Devil himself. Now let me guess, before I click on that link, who a person like you trusts as a reasonable and acceptable “conservative” – David Frum? David Brooks? Rush Limbaugh?
on April 7th, 2013 at 8:57 am
rey, i still think its possible that he was just home schooled by white supremacist parents using the Politically Incorrect Guides as the text and there is still hope that he might learn that the books that he got his entire knowledge about history are not fit to line birdcages with. but he’s going to have to get over himself and get past his arrogance – but i suspect that is also a product of being homeschooled by white supremacist parents who told him that he was destined to rule and was superior to everyone else purely by virtue of being white (and of course not indoctrinated by those public schools).
on April 8th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Erika: No. He’s nuts.
on April 8th, 2013 at 11:32 am
rey, its quite possible that you are right.
brock, the fact that you term it as the man “allowing” the woman to work speaks volumes. i’m sure that the man will also allow the woman to do all of the cooking and housework and then force his wife to have sex when she is too tired after working all day to support his lazy ass and still having to do the housework.
on April 8th, 2013 at 11:40 am
apparently brock’s ideal male female relationship is based upon the interaction between parasites and hosts – and yes in his ideal world where the woman is “allowed” to work oustide of the house to support the family while the men no doubt would be able to play all day pretending to be Viking Warriors or Knights or internet tough guys or whatever – would most definitely be the parasites.
Small wonder why no women are interested.
And a word of advice brockie baby, considering that even intelligent English majors are basically unemployable you had better let your mail order bride work outside of the house because otherwise you will starve to death
on April 8th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Erika, my dear, I believe I mentioned when I first started commenting here that two years of evangelical Christian preschooling are the sum total of non-public schooling I’ve ever experienced.
on April 8th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Erika, I’m going to San Jose State to study library technology – a grad program – after English at Sac State, because I ultimately want to become a librarian.
A woman being allowed to work in order SUPPORT HER HUSBAND’S LAZY ASS . . . haha, umm, Erika, you are deranged and your eyes are obviously blind to the world of working- and middle-class families. Take a Midol, a few other meds, and try to type a comment that isn’t a juvenile diatribe.
on April 8th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
brockie, i simply do not believe you.
on April 10th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Erika, his sister has done better than he has and he can’t get past it.
on April 10th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Uhh, yes, that’s true, Reynardine, except for the “get past it” part. I’m actually quite proud of her. You’re sinking pretty low, lady.
Erika, you don’t believe me because your silly beliefs that you cling to blind you to the real world outside of your own ideological framework.
on April 10th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Brock,
You are in no position to accuse anyone of losing touch with the real world.
on April 10th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Well, Brock, to paraphrase Maxim Gorky, you won’t catch a mud viper by reaching into the air.
on April 10th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Wow Brock. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Who ever said that women work outside the home just so they can support a lazy husband? Because it certainly wasn’t any of us!
on April 10th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Aron, read Erika’s mindless screed beginning with “rey, its quite possible that you are right.” Yes, “supporting a lazy husband” IS how she characterized the wives of traditional family men. However, I meant housework and taking care of the kids, not employment outside the home.
on April 10th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
brock, “allowing” a woman to work outside of the house but being total control of a man (and no doubt having her money go to the man for him to be able to control) sounds very suspiciously like the relationship between a prostitute and a pimp.
on April 10th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
and brock, i have no doubt that your sister is very embarassed of you :P
on April 11th, 2013 at 8:45 am
brock, why don’t you make up your mind of exactly what you are trying to say and stick with one thing rather than jumping back and forth? Earlier you are saying that women can work outside of the house in your ideal male-female relationship now you say that women can only work inside of the house taking care of the housework and kids. You also list your feminine ideal as Phyllis Schafley who worked outside of the house.
rey is right, you are like totally a weasel.who won’t give a straight answer to anything.
on April 11th, 2013 at 8:46 am
and isn’t it so funny how easy it was for rey to get little brockie to admit that he has a sister who is way more successful and accomplished than he is?
on April 11th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Well, Erika, damn, I’m good!
on April 11th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Oh my goodness, Reynardine (yes, by the way, the following will prove your assertion that I tend to scatter here and there amongst the topics I comment on, but this was just crying out for rebuttal), so THAT’s where the Indus Valley is! Seriously, I ask for an example of a superior NON-CAUCASOIDAL civilization from the past, and the only one you can give me is – gee-golly, wouldn’t you know it! – a CAUCASOIDAL civilization! You have totally failed! In the process, you have also indicated that your real beliefs about race are in reality no different from your average white supremacist. Sure, you’re doing a dutiful job TRYING to CONVINCE yourself that there’s no difference genetically between the races, but at the end of the day, it always fails, doesn’t it? Absolutely hilarious.
on April 17th, 2013 at 8:07 am
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on April 25th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
It is incredible how people can see the same thing and think 2 completely different things. Even when there really is only one way to look at it.
horrible!
on May 21st, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Here is something anti-semitic Krafft wrote under his tag “whodareswing”
Forced assimilation is “The Warburg-Kalergi Plan” named after Count Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi, the godfather of the European Union. Go to Wikipedia and look him up. Scroll down to the section of his “Views on Race and Religion.” The West is slated to become a global plantation worked by Egyptian colored consumer slaves all watched over by Jews of loving grace.